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In fairness, nothing Gattis did at Michigan showed him to be this spread guru. He tried to implement that his first two years at Michigan and failed spectacularly. Their 2021 offense looked nothing like that wide-open Bama offense he was brought in to implement.
What we're seeing with our offense reasonable fans saw coming a mile away. Michigan finished 68th in the country in passing offense last season, and 65th in plays per game. This is no surprise we have a slow, undynamic offense.
I think this take is with the benefit of hindsight. No one believed we'd be going spread, air-it-out--not with Mario. But the hire was generally lauded. I mean, everyone here believed that Michigan's mediocre passing offense was because their QBs stunk.
None of that was my point. My point was that we won’t be finding any of that out because that talent that those guys got will not be coming here. Unlike those places wins do matter in recruiting here. That will be seen shortly when we get a huge string of decommits after we lose a bunch more games. If we don’t by some miracle then I completely agree. Talent does make coaches look good. However that wasn’t my argument.
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Aww man I dreaded listening to this one but it was a good podcast fellas, I think you guys broke it down very objectively from all directions. What a disappointing last few weeks.
I won’t sit here and pretend that I thought it was a horrible higher at the time, just because the presence of a more seasoned Cristobal(Just saying that because he Was under Saban at Bama for 4yrs)but I new it would be a serious gamble to change offense style with these players..
Honestly I think that most kids from that generation think like that, even "the south florida dogs" that really don't exist anymore.
I didn't watch the interview or context, but don't forget that he's at La Salle, which is a really small school that does not play in any of the big conferences for HS sports down here. He probably won't play in many if any meaningful games.
Seems like a major miss-step by Gattis. He should have gone after a small school HC opportunity instead of trying to use what he saw in TVD and Mario to try to have one major season as OC to be a 'hot' name. He must be scrambling now. Hopefully he lets it fly but this was a major fail for everyone.
He's brand new to football and playing at LaSalle if I'm not mistaken. I think his attitude will change once he gets to the next level
THIS!!!! ******* THIS!!!! like obviously it's good if Mario FINALLY figured out bro style sucks, especially at a place literally built for the spread. However, the program has been set back due to this and there was absolutely no reason for it. It's just so unbelievably stupid.
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He's been saying that for a few months at least, he wasn't a firm commit before and he still probably isn't.
Time will tell but these are different times
bro, we couldn't score a td vs atm. we lost to m tenn fing state. gattis offense is a fraud. 45 given up against MTS is got dam treason. come on man.
we should be 4-0 right not. the game against s miss should have shook the coaches.
we need the air raid and open the m****er up on offense.
yes. he posted it. I think Francis is fine. Not sure about Frankie
It is because the QBs stunk...but despite that, Gattis' offenses were still beating G5 teams and didn't look nearly this bad.
Dan Enos, now with Maryland was 78th in YPP here (81st in SP+). He was 42nd in YPP (29th SP+) in Maryland in 2021 (2 spots ahead of Miami, under Lashlee, btw). He is currently 9th in the nation in YPP (14th SP+).
Gattis was 2nd (CoOC at Bama), 69th (with Shea Patterson 21st in SP+), 43rd (42nd in SP+; with Joe Milton/Cade McNamara), 22nd (10th SP+; with Cade McNamara).
He is currently 77th at Miami (42nd in SP+).
Maybe...hear me out...just maybe...its us.
For perspective, Lashlee was 44th (25th SP+) and 40th (30th SP+) in his two years here after he was 40th at SMU (30th in SP+; SMU is currently 37th through this season as HC; 19th in SP+).
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My guess is he thought TVD would be better. I did, too, even while watching the offense struggle around him during camp. His yips are surprising.
As for hiring Gattis in the first place, Mario strikes me as a guy who likes shiny things. I’ve never seen a coach speak so openly about recruiting rankings. Most coaches fall over themselves to say they don’t look at stars. Mario brags about star rankings in an unusual way. The OCs we were linked to in the offseason all had pretty different styles so I don’t think it’s necessarily about type. He wanted someone with pedigree like a Broyles Award.
This is all speculation but it’s the impression I get.
If this is the case hopefully he will look for a new shiny toy in the off-season that runs some version of an offense from this decade.
Gotta push back on this quote and your other quote that "no one saw this coming." Perhaps no one saw exactly this result. Gattis' resume was there with the big award everyone referenced. On the outside, it looked like we grabbed "a playoff OC who'd just won the Broyles." It was the consistent argument in support.
There were tons of people - here and on twitter arguing with Gattis himself, lol - who were wondering/hoping/praying his previous approach was really just a product of "being limited by a crap QB." But, the offseason was full of concern and skepticism about what we'd look like and how TVD would look vs how he looked during his 300-yard run last season.
Personally, it was my #1 question in August: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/my-biggest-questions-going-into-fall-camp.178845/
But, I can link/screenshot some even earlier comments/questions about how it'd look and how it better be something more/different than what we'd seen at UMich. Here's one:
I'm definitely not the only one. FAR from it. I was skeptical, cautious, and willing to wait and see if he'd come in with something more aligned to TVD's strengths and weaknesses (they're still there, maybe worse). He did not. I think part of TVD's yips are precisely because of what he's being asked to do within the scheme and playcalling. That's a rough start to your coordinator function.
There were others who had even stronger stances - saying he'd outright suck. I presume based on what he had shown and they figured it'd be the same here. I didn't go that far because there's always a chance someone adjusts. Instead, SO FAR, he's only validated concerns. If he changes now - and he already went to hurry up more last game - it feels more like an admission of guilt than the genuine understanding of what we needed most.
