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PODCAST: D$ and Peter vent on MTSU loss and Frankie Tinilau joins the show
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NIL money changes that too. It helps that Mario has had success before and is here for the long term. I imagine kids like committing to a coach who will be their HC for their time here.
Graves needs to get more playing time. I agree with everything you said.
I can just repeat myself, the main objective for an offense is to score points.
Get someone in who does that. Look at the high scoring offenses in college football, look at what they are doing and emulate.
Ohio State fans **** themselves vs Wisconsin, because they had to rely on underclassmen. And they went ape**** on a good Wisconsin defense.
Get someone in who does that. Look at the high scoring offenses in college football, look at what they are doing and emulate.
Ohio State fans **** themselves vs Wisconsin, because they had to rely on underclassmen. And they went ape**** on a good Wisconsin defense.
I think the difference is saban gets coaches that have actually had success coaching an offense, although there are similarities in the schemes there are differences and gattis has yet to have a successful offense that hasn’t had other’s fingerprints all over it.
Michigan was 16th in the nation last year in scoring offense at 36ppg.
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I remember people saying he wanted splash hires during the process
It’s not a good thing. But that’s my read on it.
And very few ppl in the know credit Gattis for that
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Call him that and he'll kill you.
So let me get this straight...
Broyles Award winning OC is now suddenly exposed as the true fraud he is at Miami?
What does that say about CFB Coaching awards committee?
Broyles Award winning OC is now suddenly exposed as the true fraud he is at Miami?
What does that say about CFB Coaching awards committee?
Ha! Sit down Francis
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He ain’t getting a P5 HC job and it doesn’t sound like he will be keeping his HC job unless he wins the conference title.
Honestly with Mario and the rest of the staff we got enough recruiters. We need a play caller/innovator.
What you pulled up regarding his record with Campbells guys shows me that he can win when he has the players.
That’s the scariest thing to me. And no offense to the insiders on here - but if they knew about it, how the f^ck does Mario, Zo, Rad, etc. Not know this???
32ppg in 2019 just taking over the offense with Shea Patterson at QB..."ppl in the know" (our people in the know thought TVD had a COMMAND of the offense...what is it that 'ppl in the know' actually know?) really crediting some large sweeping ideas for 4ppg (difference between Y1 and Y3...I generally disregard a lot from the COVID year, but ymmv).
I laid out some of our recent coordinators and showed the statistical difference between their historical offensive output, their current offensive output, and what they did here. One is not like the others...and that one that is unlike the others is what happens here in Coral Gables.
Quick article at the end of last year...
Josh Gattis adjusts play calls to personnel, creating a winning formula for Michigan
Gattis' third year as offensive coordinator has been his best.
Notice a few things...
What was important...new offensive line coach (you can just incorporate Mario/OLC in their involvement in our offense) running the football (we are doing that), blocking by WRs and TEs (lol have you seen the blocking by these boys...its bad)...
A quote from Kirk Herbstreit from the article...
“I think what he quickly found was, they didn’t have a ton of difference-makers at their skill spots when he first got there,” said ESPN college football analyst Kirk Herbstreit. “And I think, through trial and error, I give him a lot of credit — him and Jim Harbaugh — for instead of saying, ‘Nope, this is the offense, this is the reason I hired you, this is what we’re going to do,’ they played to their strengths.”
Sounds familiar.
So, its the guy who has won the SEC as a CoOC AND Big10 as a playcaller with a head coach that has won the Pac12 multiple times that is the problem...not our roster, whose upperclassmen have lost to LaTech, FIU, got the brakes blown off them by UNC and has shown a career full of the same **** we are seeing through the first four weeks?
Color me skeptical.
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There is no disputing that our roster has a MAJOR part in our issues. I think anyone who denies that is lying to themselves. That said, Gattis is also at fault for not tailoring his offense thus far to what ingredients he has. He is trying to make Steak and Potatoes with the ingredients for spaghetti.32ppg in 2019 just taking over the offense with Shea Patterson at QB..."ppl in the know" (our people in the know thought TVD had a COMMAND of the offense...what is it that 'ppl in the know' actually know?) really crediting some large sweeping ideas for 4ppg (difference between Y1 and Y3...I generally disregard a lot from the COVID year, but ymmv).
I laid out some of our recent coordinators and showed the statistical difference between their historical offensive output, their current offensive output, and what they did here. One is not like the others...and that one that is unlike the others is what happens here in Coral Gables.
Quick article at the end of last year...
Josh Gattis adjusts play calls to personnel, creating a winning formula for Michigan
Gattis' third year as offensive coordinator has been his best.www.mlive.com
Notice a few things...
What was important...new offensive line coach (you can just incorporate Mario/OLC in their involvement in our offense) running the football (we are doing that), blocking by WRs and TEs (lol have you seen the blocking by these boys...its bad)...
A quote from Kirk Herbstreit from the article...
“I think what he quickly found was, they didn’t have a ton of difference-makers at their skill spots when he first got there,” said ESPN college football analyst Kirk Herbstreit. “And I think, through trial and error, I give him a lot of credit — him and Jim Harbaugh — for instead of saying, ‘Nope, this is the offense, this is the reason I hired you, this is what we’re going to do,’ they played to their strengths.”
Sounds familiar.
So, its the guy who has won the SEC as a CoOC AND Big10 as a playcaller with a head coach that has won the Pac12 multiple times that is the problem...not our roster, whose upperclassmen have lost to LaTech, FIU, got the brakes blown off them by UNC and has shown a career full of the same **** we are seeing through the first four weeks?
Color me skeptical.
Great post, Lu. For sure there were reservations. But there was what I would describe as "cautious optimism," because of the notion that we had stolen Michigan's Broyles Award winner and were now players financially. Personally, I expected that TVD/passing game would be minimized in favor of a more physical, conservative approach and that we'd run slightly less plays but that we'd at least be a competent offense. Obviously, I did not foreshadow what we have seen 4 games into this season.Gotta push back on this quote and your other quote that "no one saw this coming." Perhaps no one saw exactly this result. Gattis' resume was there with the big award everyone referenced. On the outside, it looked like we grabbed "a playoff OC who'd just won the Broyles." It was the consistent argument in support.
There were tons of people - here and on twitter arguing with Gattis himself, lol - who were wondering/hoping/praying his previous approach was really just a product of "being limited by a crap QB." But, the offseason was full of concern and skepticism about what we'd look like and how TVD would look vs how he looked during his 300-yard run last season.
Personally, it was my #1 question in August: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/my-biggest-questions-going-into-fall-camp.178845/
But, I can link/screenshot some even earlier comments/questions about how it'd look and how it better be something more/different than what we'd seen at UMich. Here's one:
I'm definitely not the only one. FAR from it. I was skeptical, cautious, and willing to wait and see if he'd come in with something more aligned to TVD's strengths and weaknesses (they're still there, maybe worse). He did not. I think part of TVD's yips are precisely because of what he's being asked to do within the scheme and playcalling. That's a rough start to your coordinator function.
There were others who had even stronger stances - saying he'd outright suck. I presume based on what he had shown and they figured it'd be the same here. I didn't go that far because there's always a chance someone adjusts. Instead, SO FAR, he's only validated concerns. If he changes now - and he already went to hurry up more last game - it feels more like an admission of guilt than the genuine understanding of what we needed most.
This is a concern I've echoed . . . is he a "frontrunner" who is only accustomed to running an offense when it has the upper echelon talent he needs/requires to run his preferred offense. I don't know much about Michigan's roster, but I assume with its recent history he came to a roster already loaded with a bunch of highly-rated linemen (in particular), running backs, WRs, etc.
There is no excuse for what we're seeing...but the doom and gloom about coaching is just this fanbase's natural reaction to the same **** we see over and over again. Its easy when its first time head coaches and first time in the Power 5 types. They are easy and they fail on their own merit.
But its different this time. We've got a staff FULL of veterans at the highest level of college football that have won at the highest levels of college football. And when you see the same ol **** happening when the staff is not like previous staffs...we need to have a conversation as a fanbase about how to have a different level of discourse...because this "its the coaches!!!!@!!!!!!" nonsense has got to stop. They all may very well fail here...but its not what we've seen through the first few weeks that'll do it...coaches have some fault to accept, but I can not accept full discussions on Josh Gattis' offense when the players running Gattis' offense are doing what they are doing on Saturdays which is the same **** we saw them do under Lashlee and Enos which is have games EXACTLY LIKE MTSU in the past. How in the fvck are you going to judge Gattis' offense when guys are missing blocks all over the place, receivers are dropping balls right in their hands, our QB is putting the ball into the bleachers on a 5 yard curl? These players aren't simply not understanding the offense, they are failing to execute some of the most basic fundamentals of offensive football. We can talk about higher order problems later...but thats after the baseline fundamentals are taken care of first.
I know, its tough to say the players might stink and don't care about Ws and Ls...but maybe thats it.
