Ken Dorsey

[Consigliere]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

I think you guys are so traumatized from what has come from James Coley and his lack of play calling experience. Either you understand football or you don't. You understand how to attack a defense, how to scheme around it, and situations and what to do in them, or you don't. Dorsey has been in the league for a while now and has seen all of this go down. He's right there in it all.

I'm not going to say he's learning from the best OC in the league, he's not. Shula knows football though, and he's one of the best at situational football, Dorsey has been right beside that for a few years now.

You don't just call plays for 5 years and then automatically something clicks. Either you know what you doing or you don't. All an OC needs is understanding of these basic things I mentioned. Scheming, situations, how to attack certain formations, attacking weak spots, etc. and A little innovation. Dorsey understands that or he wouldn't be on and NFL staff on a team that just happens to be undefeated. Their offense is clicking on all cylinders and if you watched the game, you saw the sideline and how much Dorsey is really involved with the game and Cam Newton.

Let me know when Dorsey calls 5 plays before we get 5 years of experience.

There is a gap in between. It is called actual experience, Dorsey has none. It doesn't mean he won't be a good OC it just means it is risky. Do you get this point?

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

See Post #46 .

Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

 

[fincane]

We've watched five years of a Northeast defensive abortion. Butch was part of the Miami defense that revolutionized college football, and he was part of the Dallas defense that revolutionized pro football. He used the same principles to rebuild Miami's defense into a monster. He knows what it looks like.

We've watched five years of pathetic talent evaluation. Our roster is littered with 4.9 safeties, slow receivers, crappy linemen and overstuffed linebackers. Butch is the greatest evaluator of the past 25 years. Nobody is more qualified to rebuild this roster.

Butch left the greatest team of all time for someone else to coach. Unlike John Robinson and Joe Gibbs, he has an enormous chip on his shoulder. The younger generation views him as a legend because of the U Part 2 and the litany of iconic players he sent to the pros. The timing is right.

As for Dorsey, he is a hot candidate with credibility as an NFL OC candidate. He just happens to be a Miami legend. The timing is right for him to work with a pro-style, California quarterback at his alma mater and take the next step in his career.

In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

Since we're living in the past. What had Jimmy Johnson done playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 8? What is the ceiling on Miss State football in that conference? Realistically they probably should be 6th in the pecking order in the SEC West. Do they overachieve? Does he turn lesser rated talents into guys who compete with the best in the SEC? What did he take over when he got there? You use the sanctions as context for Butch. Context applies to Dan Mullen as well.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

The timing is right for him to work with a pro-style, California quarterback at his alma mater and take the next step in his career.

ALL DAY!

You heard that Chip-tards..."a pro-style, California quarterback"...sound familiar?

None of this play like a chicken with ya' head cutoff, soft, push-over, gimmick Kelly BS!

 

[Consigliere]

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

See Post #46 .

Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

Cool beans. Who knows what he would consider? I am saying KD has no play calling experience and that is a fact. He may be a good OC or a bad one, those are opinions based on the actual results in the future.

Pairing him with Butch would be an awful decision.

 

[Tree]

Head coach w/ less than 1 year of experience

 

[fincane]

The timing is right for him to work with a pro-style, California quarterback at his alma mater and take the next step in his career.

ALL DAY!

You heard that Chip-tards..."a pro-style, California quarterback"...sound familiar?

None of this play like a chicken with ya' head cutoff, soft, push-over, gimmick Kelly BS!

You're quoting it incorrectly. Those are DMoney words. Don't associate me with that fairy-tale nonsense.

 

[DMoney]

In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

Since we're living in the past. What had Jimmy Johnson done playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 8? What is the ceiling on Miss State football in that conference? Realistically they probably should be 6th in the pecking order in the SEC West. Do they overachieve? What did he take over when he got there? You use the sanctions as context for Butch. Context applies to Dan Mullen as well.

I actually think he's a good coach. The reason I don't want him at Miami is because his offense depends too much on quarterback running to suit our receiver-rich talent base.

The point is that Butch has proven a **** of a lot more than Mullen has. Those are facts, not nostalgia.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

I think you guys are so traumatized from what has come from James Coley and his lack of play calling experience. Either you understand football or you don't. You understand how to attack a defense, how to scheme around it, and situations and what to do in them, or you don't. Dorsey has been in the league for a while now and has seen all of this go down. He's right there in it all.

I'm not going to say he's learning from the best OC in the league, he's not. Shula knows football though, and he's one of the best at situational football, Dorsey has been right beside that for a few years now.

You don't just call plays for 5 years and then automatically something clicks. Either you know what you doing or you don't. All an OC needs is understanding of these basic things I mentioned. Scheming, situations, how to attack certain formations, attacking weak spots, etc. and A little innovation. Dorsey understands that or he wouldn't be on and NFL staff on a team that just happens to be undefeated. Their offense is clicking on all cylinders and if you watched the game, you saw the sideline and how much Dorsey is really involved with the game and Cam Newton.

Let me know when Dorsey calls 5 plays before we get 5 years of experience.

There is a gap in between. It is called actual experience, Dorsey has none. It doesn't mean he won't be a good OC it just means it is risky. Do you get this point?

Not sure Miami is ever going to get out of the ditch if we don't take a risk here and there. I really don't see risk in taking a guy that is soon to be an NFL OC, as a college OC.

Ken Dorsey is involved in everything in Carolina that sets up the play calling spread sheet, literally breaking down plays for every situation. 1st and 10, 2nd and long, 2nd and short, 3rd and long, etc. All he has to do is pick a **** play. Everything else, he has done. I'm sorry he hasn't gotten the opportunity to talk into the radio from the booth and say "X right z curl 73" or whatever he wants to say.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

Since we're living in the past. What had Jimmy Johnson done playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 8? What is the ceiling on Miss State football in that conference? Realistically they probably should be 6th in the pecking order in the SEC West. Do they overachieve? Does he turn lesser rated talents into guys who compete with the best in the SEC? What did he take over when he got there? You use the sanctions as context for Butch. Context applies to Dan Mullen as well.

Dan Mullen sucks balls.

Mississippi state wins 8 games a couple times and 10 games once and everybody freaks out and puts them in the top 5 because they're in the SEC.

The last 3 years in the SEC during all their glory and top 10 rankings he was 13-10. It's an illusion. No thanks.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

See Post #46 .

Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

Cool beans. Who knows what he would consider? I am saying KD has no play calling experience and that is a fact. He may be a good OC or a bad one, those are opinions based on the actual results in the future.

Pairing him with Butch would be an awful decision.

Are you just saying this about Butch as HC? I kinda get what you are saying there, or understand your concern as far as Butch having no offensive background at all. Are you saying you would consider him under a candidate that has more experience on offense, or more of a background where Dorsey doesn't have complete control or whatever?

Like I said, I see where you are coming from in that regard. But we I'll settle to say agree to disagree on that. I see a good match there, and I would love to see Butch as HC and Dorsey as OC. I see a lot of potential in Dorsey that is waiting to be shown off. Why not at Miami before he heads on to a long career as OC in the NFL?

 

[Consigliere]

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

I think you guys are so traumatized from what has come from James Coley and his lack of play calling experience. Either you understand football or you don't. You understand how to attack a defense, how to scheme around it, and situations and what to do in them, or you don't. Dorsey has been in the league for a while now and has seen all of this go down. He's right there in it all.

I'm not going to say he's learning from the best OC in the league, he's not. Shula knows football though, and he's one of the best at situational football, Dorsey has been right beside that for a few years now.

You don't just call plays for 5 years and then automatically something clicks. Either you know what you doing or you don't. All an OC needs is understanding of these basic things I mentioned. Scheming, situations, how to attack certain formations, attacking weak spots, etc. and A little innovation. Dorsey understands that or he wouldn't be on and NFL staff on a team that just happens to be undefeated. Their offense is clicking on all cylinders and if you watched the game, you saw the sideline and how much Dorsey is really involved with the game and Cam Newton.

Let me know when Dorsey calls 5 plays before we get 5 years of experience.

There is a gap in between. It is called actual experience, Dorsey has none. It doesn't mean he won't be a good OC it just means it is risky. Do you get this point?

Not sure Miami is ever going to get out of the ditch if we don't take a risk here and there. I really don't see risk in taking a guy that is soon to be an NFL OC, as a college OC.

Ken Dorsey is involved in everything in Carolina that sets up the play calling spread sheet, literally breaking down plays for every situation. 1st and 10, 2nd and long, 2nd and short, 3rd and long, etc. All he has to do is pick a **** play. Everything else, he has done. I'm sorry he hasn't gotten the opportunity to talk into the radio from the booth and say "X right z curl 73" or whatever he wants to say.

How about we hire the HC and let him pick his staff instead of assigning bullchit risk? How about we spend some ***ing money and get more of a sure-thing?

You can spin it anyway you want. KD is a position coach with no actual playcalling experience. Pairing him with a defensive coach for his first playing calling experience reeks of potato.

 

[bobshrum]

He would be a phenomenal hire as OC.

+2

 

[fincane]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

Since we're living in the past. What had Jimmy Johnson done playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 8? What is the ceiling on Miss State football in that conference? Realistically they probably should be 6th in the pecking order in the SEC West. Do they overachieve? What did he take over when he got there? You use the sanctions as context for Butch. Context applies to Dan Mullen as well.

I actually think he's a good coach. The reason I don't want him at Miami is because his offense depends too much on quarterback running to suit our receiver-rich talent base.

The point is that Butch has proven a **** of a lot more than Mullen has.

Dak Prescott threw for almost 3500 yards and 25 TDs last year. Having a great year this year too. Mullen can coach talented QBs. Good coaches adapt to personnel. I don't see it as an issue with him

 

[fincane]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

Since we're living in the past. What had Jimmy Johnson done playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 8? What is the ceiling on Miss State football in that conference? Realistically they probably should be 6th in the pecking order in the SEC West. Do they overachieve? Does he turn lesser rated talents into guys who compete with the best in the SEC? What did he take over when he got there? You use the sanctions as context for Butch. Context applies to Dan Mullen as well.

Dan Mullen sucks balls.

Mississippi state wins 8 games a couple times and 10 games once and everybody freaks out and puts them in the top 5 because they're in the SEC.

The last 3 years in the SEC during all their glory and top 10 rankings he was 13-10. It's an illusion. No thanks.

Sounds like when people talk about Butch's record at UNC, except Butch never won 10 games there.

 

[Consigliere]

See Post #46 .

Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

Cool beans. Who knows what he would consider? I am saying KD has no play calling experience and that is a fact. He may be a good OC or a bad one, those are opinions based on the actual results in the future.

Pairing him with Butch would be an awful decision.

Are you just saying this about Butch as HC? I kinda get what you are saying there, or understand your concern as far as Butch having no offensive background at all. Are you saying you would consider him under a candidate that has more experience on offense, or more of a background where Dorsey doesn't have complete control or whatever?

Like I said, I see where you are coming from in that regard. But we I'll settle to say agree to disagree on that. I see a good match there, and I would love to see Butch as HC and Dorsey as OC. I see a lot of potential in Dorsey that is waiting to be shown off. Why not at Miami before he heads on to a long career as OC in the NFL?

I would prefer, if KD is your guy, to have him be an OC under a guy like Chip. Chip would be a back-up and great teacher.

Having him with Butch reeks of UNC pt II.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

Since we're living in the past. What had Jimmy Johnson done playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 8? What is the ceiling on Miss State football in that conference? Realistically they probably should be 6th in the pecking order in the SEC West. Do they overachieve? Does he turn lesser rated talents into guys who compete with the best in the SEC? What did he take over when he got there? You use the sanctions as context for Butch. Context applies to Dan Mullen as well.

Dan Mullen sucks balls.

Mississippi state wins 8 games a couple times and 10 games once and everybody freaks out and puts them in the top 5 because they're in the SEC.

The last 3 years in the SEC during all their glory and top 10 rankings he was 13-10. It's an illusion. No thanks.

Sounds like when people talk about Butch's record at UNC, except Butch never won 10 games there.

Butch sucked balls at UNC and it's hard to ignore. What he did at UM is a pretty strong counter argument.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

Cool beans. Who knows what he would consider? I am saying KD has no play calling experience and that is a fact. He may be a good OC or a bad one, those are opinions based on the actual results in the future.

Pairing him with Butch would be an awful decision.

Are you just saying this about Butch as HC? I kinda get what you are saying there, or understand your concern as far as Butch having no offensive background at all. Are you saying you would consider him under a candidate that has more experience on offense, or more of a background where Dorsey doesn't have complete control or whatever?

Like I said, I see where you are coming from in that regard. But we I'll settle to say agree to disagree on that. I see a good match there, and I would love to see Butch as HC and Dorsey as OC. I see a lot of potential in Dorsey that is waiting to be shown off. Why not at Miami before he heads on to a long career as OC in the NFL?

I would prefer, if KD is your guy, to have him be an OC under a guy like Chip. Chip would be a back-up and great teacher.

Having him with Butch reeks of UNC pt II.

I see what you are saying there. Look, I'm not attacking you and your opinion on this situation. Butch has shown he's not a great gameday coach, he's not an offensive guru by any means whatsoever. Dorsey lacks experience, but he's going to be a great OC and you can see it and you can read Rivera and Shula's opinions on him everywhere.

But with every question I have regarding the 2 together at UM.. I see it as a perfect match and exactly what Miami needs. I hope Korn Ferry and UM do a good enough job in this search and put enough money in to get new blood, a new candidate out there. If it's Butch and Dorsey though, I'm not going to lie, they are going to bring back to this program a lot of stuff that has seriously lacked sense the 2 of them left, Butch in 2000 and Dorsey a few years later. It's going to bring back the leadership, discipline, energy, and just that "it" factor UM has lost for more than a decade. Butch may not be the best HC, and Dorsey may not be the best OC, but they bring exactly what this program needs right now and it might just be crazy enough to work and put us back to the top.

That being said, it would be beyond stupid to pass on a Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, among many others for Butch this time around. But if you miss on those guys, Butch for 5 years, if that's all he's got left, is going to turn this program in the right direction and where it needs to be.

 

[Consigliere]

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

Cool beans. Who knows what he would consider? I am saying KD has no play calling experience and that is a fact. He may be a good OC or a bad one, those are opinions based on the actual results in the future.

Pairing him with Butch would be an awful decision.

Are you just saying this about Butch as HC? I kinda get what you are saying there, or understand your concern as far as Butch having no offensive background at all. Are you saying you would consider him under a candidate that has more experience on offense, or more of a background where Dorsey doesn't have complete control or whatever?

Like I said, I see where you are coming from in that regard. But we I'll settle to say agree to disagree on that. I see a good match there, and I would love to see Butch as HC and Dorsey as OC. I see a lot of potential in Dorsey that is waiting to be shown off. Why not at Miami before he heads on to a long career as OC in the NFL?

I would prefer, if KD is your guy, to have him be an OC under a guy like Chip. Chip would be a back-up and great teacher.

Having him with Butch reeks of UNC pt II.

I see what you are saying there. Look, I'm not attacking you and your opinion on this situation. Butch has shown he's not a great gameday coach, he's not an offensive guru by any means whatsoever. Dorsey lacks experience, but he's going to be a great OC and you can see it and you can read Rivera and Shula's opinions on him everywhere.

But with every question I have regarding the 2 together at UM.. I see it as a perfect match and exactly what Miami needs. I hope Korn Ferry and UM do a good enough job in this search and put enough money in to get new blood, a new candidate out there. If it's Butch and Dorsey though, I'm not going to lie, they are going to bring back to this program a lot of stuff that has seriously lacked sense the 2 of them left, Butch in 2000 and Dorsey a few years later. It's going to bring back the leadership, discipline, energy, and just that "it" factor UM has lost for more than a decade. Butch may not be the best HC, and Dorsey may not be the best OC, but they bring exactly what this program needs right now and it might just be crazy enough to work and put us back to the top.

That being said, it would be beyond stupid to pass on a Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, among many others for Butch this time around. But if you miss on those guys, Butch for 5 years, if that's all he's got left, is going to turn this program in the right direction and where it needs to be.

I stopped reading at perfect match. Agree to disagree as UNC wasn't a clear enough example of my point.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Cool beans. Who knows what he would consider? I am saying KD has no play calling experience and that is a fact. He may be a good OC or a bad one, those are opinions based on the actual results in the future.

Pairing him with Butch would be an awful decision.

Are you just saying this about Butch as HC? I kinda get what you are saying there, or understand your concern as far as Butch having no offensive background at all. Are you saying you would consider him under a candidate that has more experience on offense, or more of a background where Dorsey doesn't have complete control or whatever?

Like I said, I see where you are coming from in that regard. But we I'll settle to say agree to disagree on that. I see a good match there, and I would love to see Butch as HC and Dorsey as OC. I see a lot of potential in Dorsey that is waiting to be shown off. Why not at Miami before he heads on to a long career as OC in the NFL?

I would prefer, if KD is your guy, to have him be an OC under a guy like Chip. Chip would be a back-up and great teacher.

Having him with Butch reeks of UNC pt II.

I see what you are saying there. Look, I'm not attacking you and your opinion on this situation. Butch has shown he's not a great gameday coach, he's not an offensive guru by any means whatsoever. Dorsey lacks experience, but he's going to be a great OC and you can see it and you can read Rivera and Shula's opinions on him everywhere.

But with every question I have regarding the 2 together at UM.. I see it as a perfect match and exactly what Miami needs. I hope Korn Ferry and UM do a good enough job in this search and put enough money in to get new blood, a new candidate out there. If it's Butch and Dorsey though, I'm not going to lie, they are going to bring back to this program a lot of stuff that has seriously lacked sense the 2 of them left, Butch in 2000 and Dorsey a few years later. It's going to bring back the leadership, discipline, energy, and just that "it" factor UM has lost for more than a decade. Butch may not be the best HC, and Dorsey may not be the best OC, but they bring exactly what this program needs right now and it might just be crazy enough to work and put us back to the top.

That being said, it would be beyond stupid to pass on a Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, among many others for Butch this time around. But if you miss on those guys, Butch for 5 years, if that's all he's got left, is going to turn this program in the right direction and where it needs to be.

I stopped reading at perfect match. Agree to disagree as UNC wasn't a clear enough example of my point.

Lol well you missed a pretty decent point in the post and my stance on the entire thing. I'm not even one of the " Butch or nothing" guys on this board that are turning me against him. The scenario right now, as D$ referenced, almost seems perfect. Butch coming back (not taking over a **** hole for the first time in his career), Ken Dorsey returns, coaches a QB from Cali, pro style QB, etc etc. Seems pretty perfect to me right now.

Could end up a total bust, but the look of it is pretty surreal.