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DMoney said:
WhatTheHell already shattered this stupid myth about "playcalling experience."

23 of the 32 current NFL offensive coordinators were promoted from position coach to their first OC position in the league. No playcalling experience. Dorsey is on that track. But it's too big of a risk to have a first-time playcaller against Virginia and Georgia Tech?

I live in the real world. There's a group of posters that **** on every candidate. Then when you ask them for their list, they say "Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson and Mark D'Antonio. Maybe Butch if he brings Doug Meachem as his OC." It's fantasy football, and it's just as dumb as the Cristobal recruiting bro's.

Butch and Dorsey makes sense. The timing is right. Will it work? Who knows? No coach is a slam-dunk. But it fits with what we need right now.
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Then when Shula gets an NFL HC gig and Dorsey gets that promotion in Carolina and absolutely tears it up and runs with it, the same people will ***** that we didn't go after him for our OC and blame the HC, saying he was the obvious choice. Can't have it both ways.

I'd take the chance on him before he gets it in the league and never considers coming back.
 
Aren't these the same dudes in every thread touting "nobody dislikes Butch. He's in our top 5. Shoot for the stars. He's a perfectly good fall back"?

Which one is it? He sucks balls or he's a good 4th option after Patterson, Kelly and Gundy? Stop waffling.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
DMoney said:
WhatTheHell already shattered this stupid myth about "playcalling experience."

23 of the 32 current NFL offensive coordinators were promoted from position coach to their first OC position in the league. No playcalling experience. Dorsey is on that track. But it's too big of a risk to have a first-time playcaller against Virginia and Georgia Tech?

I live in the real world. There's a group of posters that **** on every candidate. Then when you ask them for their list, they say "Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson and Mark D'Antonio. Maybe Butch if he brings Doug Meachem as his OC." It's fantasy football, and it's just as dumb as the Cristobal recruiting bro's.

Butch and Dorsey makes sense. The timing is right. Will it work? Who knows? No coach is a slam-dunk. But it fits with what we need right now.
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How is Chip Kelly "fantasy football" when the co-owner of your website suggests that it is a real possibility?
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????

I guess this is a load of **** D?

LuCane said:
The point of this thread is to introduce another real option being worked on:

Chip Kelly. Less than an hour ago was the first time I've heard his name mentioned by someone connected to the program. The context was simple. He was actually asked about Mario Cristobal. This is a Hispanic guy, so you'd think/worry there's some support. "Hates the Mario option" is closer to where he stands there. More importantly, he threw out that it looks more like Chip Kelly right now than other names discussed, if we can beat out USC. Things are actually moving on this front. Specifically, "Kelly is between us and USC right now." I cringe a little in hopes it's true we have that kind of status, but that is an exact quote. I interpreted everything to mean Kelly is actually considering us, and that he's more likely to come back to college than I previously thought.
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Lu is telling you what he heard verbatim from someone legit. A lot of people are talking out there.

Personally, I think Kelly is a longshot. I'm focusing on guys I consider realistic. If Kelly is interested, it goes without saying he is a top candidate.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
fincane said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
fincane said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Butch running the program and overseeing the defense. Ken Dorsey calling plays. How does that not excite any true Miami fan?
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We got ex-canes all over the coaching staff right now. Do we appear well coached?
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Name six.
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You joking? I can't name six. But I can name the four that are on the staff now.

Kareem Brown
Hurlie Brown
Art Kehoe
Kevin Beard.
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You said all over. And Kehoe last played in 1980, which doesn't count.
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Lmao quite the logic you have here sir
 
DMoney said:
fincane said:
DMoney said:
fincane said:
What about Butch and Dorsey make sense? And why does it fit? Other than "they could be had" and they're Miami guys. They aren't the most qualified.
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We've watched five years of a Northeast defensive abortion. Butch was part of the Miami defense that revolutionized college football, and he was part of the Dallas defense that revolutionized pro football. He used the same principles to rebuild Miami's defense into a monster. He knows what it looks like.

We've watched five years of pathetic talent evaluation. Our roster is littered with 4.9 safeties, slow receivers, crappy linemen and overstuffed linebackers. Butch is the greatest evaluator of the past 25 years. Nobody is more qualified to rebuild this roster.

Butch left the greatest team of all time for someone else to coach. Unlike John Robinson and Joe Gibbs, he has an enormous chip on his shoulder. The younger generation views him as a legend because of the U Part 2 and the litany of iconic players he sent to the pros. The timing is right.

As for Dorsey, he is a hot candidate with credibility as an NFL OC candidate. He just happens to be a Miami legend. The timing is right for him to work with a pro-style, California quarterback at his alma mater and take the next step in his career.
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In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]
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Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.
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I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.
 
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OrangetieFatface said:
Aren't these the same dudes in every thread touting "nobody dislikes Butch. He's in our top 5. Shoot for the stars. He's a perfectly good fall back"?

Which one is it? He sucks balls or he's a good 4th option after Patterson, Kelly and Gundy? Stop waffling.
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Haha, right?

"He's old, hasn't done **** in 15 years and makes Al Golden look like Bill Belichick on gameday. That being said he's my #4 choice".
 
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It's okay to hire a coach w/ only 1 year of experience but not a OC w/ none? Go canes!!
 
nystateofmind said:
He would be a phenomenal hire as OC.
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anyone who does not agree with this is a total cheesebrain.

National champion QB and smart as ****....he has proven himself in the NFL......he can come back to Miami with Butch and watch him work !!
 
Consigliere said:
DMoney said:
Consigliere said:
He needs real experience first.
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The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.
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You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.
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I think you guys are so traumatized from what has come from James Coley and his lack of play calling experience. Either you understand football or you don't. You understand how to attack a defense, how to scheme around it, and situations and what to do in them, or you don't. Dorsey has been in the league for a while now and has seen all of this go down. He's right there in it all.

I'm not going to say he's learning from the best OC in the league, he's not. Shula knows football though, and he's one of the best at situational football, Dorsey has been right beside that for a few years now.

You don't just call plays for 5 years and then automatically something clicks. Either you know what you doing or you don't. All an OC needs is understanding of these basic things I mentioned. Scheming, situations, how to attack certain formations, attacking weak spots, etc. and A little innovation. Dorsey understands that or he wouldn't be on and NFL staff on a team that just happens to be undefeated. Their offense is clicking on all cylinders and if you watched the game, you saw the sideline and how much Dorsey is really involved with the game and Cam Newton.
 
You don't want dorsey at oc because he doesn't have experience but you want.herman as head coach. Yeah our fans are really rational
 
mdpcane said:
nystateofmind said:
He would be a phenomenal hire as OC.
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anyone who does not agree with this is a total cheesebrain.

National champion QB and smart as ****....he has proven himself in the NFL......he can come back to Miami with Butch and watch him work !!
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What does proving yourself in the NFL have to do with calling plays on the college level? Tee Martin has been a QB coach on the college level. A passing game coordinator. Last three years at USC as a WR coach. Is up for the Broyles award. Won an national championship at the college level. Smart. Lets hire Tee Martin as the OC.
 
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DMoney said:
Consigliere said:
DMoney said:
Consigliere said:
He needs real experience first.
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The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.
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You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.
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See Post #46 .
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Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.
 
fincane said:
DMoney said:
fincane said:
DMoney said:
fincane said:
What about Butch and Dorsey make sense? And why does it fit? Other than "they could be had" and they're Miami guys. They aren't the most qualified.
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We've watched five years of a Northeast defensive abortion. Butch was part of the Miami defense that revolutionized college football, and he was part of the Dallas defense that revolutionized pro football. He used the same principles to rebuild Miami's defense into a monster. He knows what it looks like.

We've watched five years of pathetic talent evaluation. Our roster is littered with 4.9 safeties, slow receivers, crappy linemen and overstuffed linebackers. Butch is the greatest evaluator of the past 25 years. Nobody is more qualified to rebuild this roster.

Butch left the greatest team of all time for someone else to coach. Unlike John Robinson and Joe Gibbs, he has an enormous chip on his shoulder. The younger generation views him as a legend because of the U Part 2 and the litany of iconic players he sent to the pros. The timing is right.

As for Dorsey, he is a hot candidate with credibility as an NFL OC candidate. He just happens to be a Miami legend. The timing is right for him to work with a pro-style, California quarterback at his alma mater and take the next step in his career.
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In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]
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Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.
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I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.
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What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.
 
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