Ken Dorsey

[Consigliere]

I see what you are saying there. Look, I'm not attacking you and your opinion on this situation. Butch has shown he's not a great gameday coach, he's not an offensive guru by any means whatsoever. Dorsey lacks experience, but he's going to be a great OC and you can see it and you can read Rivera and Shula's opinions on him everywhere.

But with every question I have regarding the 2 together at UM.. I see it as a perfect match and exactly what Miami needs. I hope Korn Ferry and UM do a good enough job in this search and put enough money in to get new blood, a new candidate out there. If it's Butch and Dorsey though, I'm not going to lie, they are going to bring back to this program a lot of stuff that has seriously lacked sense the 2 of them left, Butch in 2000 and Dorsey a few years later. It's going to bring back the leadership, discipline, energy, and just that "it" factor UM has lost for more than a decade. Butch may not be the best HC, and Dorsey may not be the best OC, but they bring exactly what this program needs right now and it might just be crazy enough to work and put us back to the top.

That being said, it would be beyond stupid to pass on a Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson, among many others for Butch this time around. But if you miss on those guys, Butch for 5 years, if that's all he's got left, is going to turn this program in the right direction and where it needs to be.

I stopped reading at perfect match. Agree to disagree as UNC wasn't a clear enough example of my point.

Lol well you missed a pretty decent point in the post and my stance on the entire thing. I'm not even one of the " Butch or nothing" guys on this board that are turning me against him. The scenario right now, as D$ referenced, almost seems perfect. Butch coming back (not taking over a **** hole for the first time in his career), Ken Dorsey returns, coaches a QB from Cali, pro style QB, etc etc. Seems pretty perfect to me right now.

Could end up a total bust, but the look of it is pretty surreal.

"Perfect" is Patterson or Kelly. Irrational is Butch with Dorsey.

Agree to disagree. I am going to move on, you can have the pair in your fantasy Miami coaching league.

If you read the rest of what I said you would see that I said I prefer Patterson or Kelly

You used perfect to describe the pair.

 

[252cane]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Dorsey has been working with cam since he came out for the draft. Cam went to img where dorsey was working at the time and was working with him.

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

I'm just laughing that it took 6 pages for anyone to post about Chud.
No experience. Coker was no offensive genius.
That worked out just fine.

 

[dedostheibis]

Didnt chud have carlona is the top offense as well

 

[Astcloud11]

What if Miami hired Dorsey as a Co-OC and paired him with a really good pro-style play caller

 

[Tree]

Dorsey would be a good hire.....chip would be a good hire....Herman would be a good hire....butch would be a good hire...that is all

 

[Gamineal]

Getting a lot of face time on CBS. Cam Newton looks sensational. Would love to see what Dorsey could do with Brad Kaaya.

DOes he coach the defense??

They are sensational... Cam is great

 

[The Franchise]

He took a terrible talent in Newton and has made him serviceable. I'd love to take a gamble on him as OC.

 

[The Franchise]

We should hire FancyBoy as our next HC.

I think that's a more intriguing move.

 

[The Franchise]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

It's logical because he played here.

 

[The Franchise]

WhatTheHell already shattered this stupid myth about "playcalling experience."

23 of the 32 current NFL offensive coordinators were promoted from position coach to their first OC position in the league. No playcalling experience. Dorsey is on that track. But it's too big of a risk to have a first-time playcaller against Virginia and Georgia Tech?

I live in the real world. There's a group of posters that **** on every candidate. Then when you ask them for their list, they say "Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson and Mark D'Antonio. Maybe Butch if he brings Doug Meachem as his OC." It's fantasy football, and it's just as dumb as the Cristobal recruiting bro's.

Butch and Dorsey makes sense. The timing is right. Will it work? Who knows? No coach is a slam-dunk. But it fits with what we need right now.

There isn't one college OC out there that would be better qualified and would love to come to Miami who isn't Doug Meachem? We couldn't hire the Toledo OC? We couldn't hire Eddie Gran?

What about Butch and Dorsey make sense? And why does it fit? Other than "they could be had" and they're Miami guys. They aren't the most qualified.

What you're suggesting isn't any less fantastical than those other scenarios. If we put the legendary QB with the coach who has "unfinished business" we'll be on top of the college football world again.

It fits because those are the guys he wants. Everyone else is an outlandish suggestion equal to Mario.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

WhatTheHell already shattered this stupid myth about "playcalling experience."

23 of the 32 current NFL offensive coordinators were promoted from position coach to their first OC position in the league. No playcalling experience. Dorsey is on that track. But it's too big of a risk to have a first-time playcaller against Virginia and Georgia Tech?

I live in the real world. There's a group of posters that **** on every candidate. Then when you ask them for their list, they say "Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson and Mark D'Antonio. Maybe Butch if he brings Doug Meachem as his OC." It's fantasy football, and it's just as dumb as the Cristobal recruiting bro's.

Butch and Dorsey makes sense. The timing is right. Will it work? Who knows? No coach is a slam-dunk. But it fits with what we need right now.

There isn't one college OC out there that would be better qualified and would love to come to Miami who isn't Doug Meachem? We couldn't hire the Toledo OC? We couldn't hire Eddie Gran?

What about Butch and Dorsey make sense? And why does it fit? Other than "they could be had" and they're Miami guys. They aren't the most qualified.

What you're suggesting isn't any less fantastical than those other scenarios. If we put the legendary QB with the coach who has "unfinished business" we'll be on top of the college football world again.

It fits because those are the guys he wants. Everyone else is an outlandish suggestion equal to Mario.

Even though both he and LuCane admit that the Chip info came from a legit source.

Fantasy football!

 

[FullyERicht]

He's extra rustled bc he's gonna have to work overtime now to try to defend his love of Corch Strong.

 

[User-4525]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

 

[NVA CANE]

So if the elite coaches aren't realistic and getting an established OC isn't realistic, then what the **** is the search committee looking at.

Basically we have to settle cause it's business as usual. Oh well

 

[The Franchise]

WhatTheHell already shattered this stupid myth about "playcalling experience."

23 of the 32 current NFL offensive coordinators were promoted from position coach to their first OC position in the league. No playcalling experience. Dorsey is on that track. But it's too big of a risk to have a first-time playcaller against Virginia and Georgia Tech?

I live in the real world. There's a group of posters that **** on every candidate. Then when you ask them for their list, they say "Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson and Mark D'Antonio. Maybe Butch if he brings Doug Meachem as his OC." It's fantasy football, and it's just as dumb as the Cristobal recruiting bro's.

Butch and Dorsey makes sense. The timing is right. Will it work? Who knows? No coach is a slam-dunk. But it fits with what we need right now.

Then when Shula gets an NFL HC gig and Dorsey gets that promotion in Carolina and absolutely tears it up and runs with it, the same people will ***** that we didn't go after him for our OC and blame the HC, saying he was the obvious choice. Can't have it both ways.

I'd take the chance on him before he gets it in the league and never considers coming back.

You act like Carolina has a great offense or that Stoola is Don Coryell II. Carolina is first and foremost a dominant defensive football team. That's where they make their noise.

They have a superhuman talent at QB, who has proven repeatedly that he carries teams on his back.

Does anyone else remember what a gigantic failure Stoola was in Tampa when he didn't have Newton? Everyone hated his guts. Now he and Dorsey are Bill Walsh and Mike McCarthy.

 

[mianjomar]

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Getting a lot of face time on CBS. Cam Newton looks sensational. Would love to see what Dorsey could do with Brad Kaaya.

As QB coach? Sure.

As OC? No thanks. I'm not interested in any more wet behind the ears dudes, or satisfying some longing for the past.

Disagree, Ken Dorsey's next legitimate move is OC whether College or NFL, he has maximized at his current position. Would it be a risk hire, yes. But how is that homerun hire OC hire at LSU working out? Or the sure thing hire of Fat Charlie at UF?
Sure he could fail but so have a lot of other " sure things" whoever we hire is going to have to go all in on someone ( unless they call the offense).
Ken Dorsey's time to be an OC is at hand, much like Jedd Fishs time was a few years back.
To not hire him as OC for experience issues is legit, but some proven OC will fail also. We just have to trust that whoever we hire has a plan and will adjust if it starts to fail.

Absolutely. Our problem has been the HC over the OC not the OC. If we get the right HC Dorsey would Well worth the risk.

 

[The Franchise]

We've watched five years of a Northeast defensive abortion. Butch was part of the Miami defense that revolutionized college football, and he was part of the Dallas defense that revolutionized pro football. He used the same principles to rebuild Miami's defense into a monster. He knows what it looks like.

We've watched five years of pathetic talent evaluation. Our roster is littered with 4.9 safeties, slow receivers, crappy linemen and overstuffed linebackers. Butch is the greatest evaluator of the past 25 years. Nobody is more qualified to rebuild this roster.

Butch left the greatest team of all time for someone else to coach. Unlike John Robinson and Joe Gibbs, he has an enormous chip on his shoulder. The younger generation views him as a legend because of the U Part 2 and the litany of iconic players he sent to the pros. The timing is right.

As for Dorsey, he is a hot candidate with credibility as an NFL OC candidate. He just happens to be a Miami legend. The timing is right for him to work with a pro-style, California quarterback at his alma mater and take the next step in his career.

In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

D$, I love you like a son, so I'm going to beg you to delete that post where you compared the MSU program to UM.

 

[The Franchise]

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

You really dig in sometimes. He has no play calling experience. You constantly fail to acknowledge this fact.

See Post #46 .

Post those coaches and their resumes and the HC they work under. You want a defensive coach (Butch) to be paired with Dorsey. Butch needs help on offense. When he doesn't get it, you get John Shoop and UNC. How did that work out?

If Dorsey NEVER went to UM you would never suggest him.

If you want to being in Dorsey with an offensive genius (Kelly), maybe. To pair him with Butch, potato logic.

The fact is, Ken Dorsey is going to be an OC in the NFL, as soon as next season. He wouldn't even consider Miami at this point in his career if he didn't play here. He would never leave the NFL, as most guys with his resume at his age would never look back to college. He took the fast track through the league. You are right, playing at Miami once is the only reason he is attached to this job. Ok, but that is not saying he's not qualified for this job right now because he absolutely is.

How do you know so clearly what Dorsey would or wouldn't do? Do you know him very well?

I remember him saying his ultimate goal was to be a college HC. Why do you think he'd "never" choose to be a college OC at a marquee program?

 

[fincane]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Has he called a play for Cam Newton since 2011?