Ken Dorsey

[The Franchise]

Gonna save this thread and by chance if Dorsey is hired as OC and tanks. I don't wanna see a **** person up in here wishing he comes, dogging the man.

They wouldn't dog him. They'd blame his failure on factors outside his control.

 

[DMoney]

In other words. Nostalgia and happy thoughts.

I don't care if Brad Kaaya starts next year for Miami. He's not a sacred cow, I'm certainly not hiring an OC partly because his background is similar. This is Disneyland bullsh!t.

As far as Butch's chip, will it help him avoid things like this:
[video=youtube;Gziu_2z3d3w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gziu_2z3d3w[/video]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

D$, I love you like a son, so I'm going to beg you to delete that post where you compared the MSU program to UM.

The Miami program that Butch inherited, with 31 scholarship reductions and a roster full of Erickson busts, doesn't even deserve to be compared to MSU. It was a dumpster fire.

What Butch did was miraculous and ***** on anything Dan Mullen has ever done in his life.

 

[User-4525]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Has he called a play for Cam Newton since 2011?

Since when did calling plays equate to developing the fundamentals of the quarterback position?

 

[B.B.B]

He took a terrible talent in Newton and has made him serviceable. I'd love to take a gamble on him as OC.

Maybe he could have made a terrible talent like Robert Griffin III serviceable too...

 

[fincane]

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Has he called a play for Cam Newton since 2011?

Since when did calling plays equate to developing the fundamentals of the quarterback position?

We're talking about him being an OC at Miami. Thats what this whole thread is about. If he wants the QB coach job here, then I'd be happy to have him. He wouldn't come here to be the QB coach here so why are you bringing up his training of Cam Newton as some sort of trump card in his favor?

 

[The Franchise]

WhatTheHell already shattered this stupid myth about "playcalling experience."

23 of the 32 current NFL offensive coordinators were promoted from position coach to their first OC position in the league. No playcalling experience. Dorsey is on that track. But it's too big of a risk to have a first-time playcaller against Virginia and Georgia Tech?

I live in the real world. There's a group of posters that **** on every candidate. Then when you ask them for their list, they say "Chip Kelly, Gary Patterson and Mark D'Antonio. Maybe Butch if he brings Doug Meachem as his OC." It's fantasy football, and it's just as dumb as the Cristobal recruiting bro's.

Butch and Dorsey makes sense. The timing is right. Will it work? Who knows? No coach is a slam-dunk. But it fits with what we need right now.

There isn't one college OC out there that would be better qualified and would love to come to Miami who isn't Doug Meachem? We couldn't hire the Toledo OC? We couldn't hire Eddie Gran?

What about Butch and Dorsey make sense? And why does it fit? Other than "they could be had" and they're Miami guys. They aren't the most qualified.

What you're suggesting isn't any less fantastical than those other scenarios. If we put the legendary QB with the coach who has "unfinished business" we'll be on top of the college football world again.

It fits because those are the guys he wants. Everyone else is an outlandish suggestion equal to Mario.

Even though both he and LuCane admit that the Chip info came from a legit source.

Fantasy football!

D$ wants Butch here so badly that he's trying to frame the argument that it's either Butch or Mario and everyone else is fantasy land. He's letting his longing for Butch get the better of him.

 

[User-4525]

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Has he called a play for Cam Newton since 2011?

Since when did calling plays equate to developing the fundamentals of the quarterback position?

We're talking about him being an OC at Miami. Thats what this whole thread is about. Don't be obtuse.

The post I quoted (forgot to bold the part I was responding to) was about giving credit to Shula over Dorsey. Well, Dorsey has developed him for four years and that's why people give the credit to Dorsey. Furthermore, the panthers thought Dorsey did such a good job with him as a private instructor so they brought him in to work with Cam full time

 

[CanesAreAble]

I think Dorsey could be a rising star in the coaching ranks, but how much are we crediting him with Cam's development?

I know Cam speaks highly of him and rightfully so, but Cam was throwing up 400-yard games right out the gate when Dorsey was a scout for the Panthers. His numbers have been fairly consistent throughout his career. I think the biggest improvement has been to Carolina's defense. They're a lights-out unit right now.

 

[The Franchise]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Can't miss prospect Cam Newton, who runs like a WR with the strength of a FB and has one of the strongest arms in football and won NCs at both places he played in college?

 

[User-4525]

I think Dorsey could be a rising star in the coaching ranks, but how much are we crediting him with Cam's development?

I know Cam speaks highly of him and rightfully so, but Cam was throwing up 400-yard games right out the gate when Dorsey was a scout for the Panthers. His numbers have been fairly consistent throughout his career. I think the biggest improvement has been to Carolina's defense. They're a lights-out unit right now.

Dorsey has been training him since his rookie year. It's stupid to credit all of one guy's success to one coach and credit none of his success to that coach as well. All I said was that Dorsey has coached him for four years. It's fair to give him credit but bringing Cam along; he did not just start coaching him two years ago.

I just stated a fact but people will take it as shilling for Dorsey because everyone is just trying to fight over who's candidate is better. I would rather not have an inexperienced playcaller with a veteran qb next year. But, if we bring Butch along there is a high chance that Dorsey will be the OC next year.

 

[User-4525]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Can't miss prospect Cam Newton, who runs like a WR with the strength of a FB and has one of the strongest arms in football and won NCs at both places he played in college?

No, Sir Isaac Newton

 

[CanesAreAble]

I think Dorsey could be a rising star in the coaching ranks, but how much are we crediting him with Cam's development?

I know Cam speaks highly of him and rightfully so, but Cam was throwing up 400-yard games right out the gate when Dorsey was a scout for the Panthers. His numbers have been fairly consistent throughout his career. I think the biggest improvement has been to Carolina's defense. They're a lights-out unit right now.

Dorsey has been training him since his rookie year. It's stupid to credit all of one guy's success to one coach and credit none of his success to that coach as well. All I said was that Dorsey has coached him for four years. It's fair to give him credit but bringing Cam along; he did not just start coaching him two years ago.

I just stated a fact but people will take it as shilling for Dorsey because everyone is just trying to fight over who's candidate is better. I would rather not have an inexperienced playcaller with a veteran qb next year

I didn't refute the point Dorsey worked with him since his rookie year. I just pointed out he was a scout. Shula was the QB coach his first two years, and now he's the OC.

That's not to discount any work Dorsey has done, but it seems like the narrative is Dorsey is the chief guy responsible for Cam's development. Maybe it's true. Maybe it isn't. Just seems odd we've bypassed Shula and given the credit to his subordinate.

 

[fincane]

He needs real experience first.

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Can't miss prospect Cam Newton, who runs like a WR with the strength of a FB and has one of the strongest arms in football and won NCs at both places he played in college?

Yep. That guy. The #1 overall pick.

Dorsey may be doing great things with Cam Newton. But is what Dorsey has done impossible for another competent QB coach? Refine the skills of an all-world talent.

My main point is the only thing that makes Dorsey the right guy for the job is him being an ex-player. He isn't the most qualified. You want to give a bright, talented inexperienced ex-player who is now coaching a spot you make him the WR coach. We've done that.

This is an Al Golden type of staff hire. Sounds good to the fans and the press and you'd never be pressured to fire the guy.

 

[The Franchise]

Who do you want as head coach? Let's hear your candidates.

I'd call Dan Mullen. Tom Herman. Hear out Dino Babers. Those are just names that are "realistic". I don't have the "we're never gonna get that guy" attitude that you have about some of the other guys mentioned.

What has Dan Mullen actually accomplished? This is his seventh season at Mississippi State. By Butch's sixth season, he had built the best team in history despite crippling sanctions.

I like Herman and would love the hire. But there are already reports that he's not interested in any current opening. Dino Babers has two years of FBS coaching experience and that's in the MAC.

D$, I love you like a son, so I'm going to beg you to delete that post where you compared the MSU program to UM.

The Miami program that Butch inherited, with 31 scholarship reductions and a roster full of Erickson busts, doesn't even deserve to be compared to MSU. It was a dumpster fire.

What Butch did was miraculous and ***** on anything Dan Mullen has ever done in his life.

The Miami program that was playing for an outside shot at a NC a month before Butch was hired and had several blue chip players and NFL guys on the roster? That one? Lulz at Butch working miracles here. That's absurd hyperbole.

He eventually built a great roster and dominated the Big East for a year. Took him 6 years to dominate the Big fcking East. That's not miracle work. He took the most talented roster by a mile in college football and managed to choke away a NC in 2000 by losing to Washington and, more significantly than that, playing horribly against La Tech.

Butch took over a better program at UNC than Mullen did at MSU in a much easier conference and couldn't achieve what Mullen has.

 

[The Franchise]

The NFL isn't real experience?

Miami is the next logical step in his career. Good OCs usually don't make lateral moves.

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Can't miss prospect Cam Newton, who runs like a WR with the strength of a FB and has one of the strongest arms in football and won NCs at both places he played in college?

Yep. That guy. The #1 overall pick.

Dorsey may be doing great things with Cam Newton. But is what Dorsey has done impossible for another competent QB coach? Refine the skills of an all-world talent.

My main point is the only thing that makes Dorsey the right guy for the job is him being an ex-player. He isn't the most qualified. You want to give a bright, talented inexperienced ex-player who is now coaching a spot you make him the WR coach. We've done that.

This is an Al Golden type of staff hire. Sounds good to the fans and the press and you'd never be pressured to fire the guy.

You've made great posts throughout this thread. It's pretty sad that we still have UM fans looking to engage in nostalgia hires after all that has gone wrong here over the past 15 years.

We need some great proven technicians in here. Immediately. If the program was humming along yeah take a chance here or there. Not now.

Dorsey might go on to a great career as an NFL OC and then hopefully come back here one day and lead us to NCs.

Josh Heupel had a similar background to Dorsey but with a much longer apprenticeship. He was a beloved guy at OU. Then he got the OC gig, failed, and got fired.

 

[CandyCane]

DMoney - Butch Davis named Dorsey as a possibility for OC. Unfortunately the people at the Hecht aren't thrilled with the name Butch Davis being on their resumes. They do like Chudzinski and Shula (most likely staying in NFL) and I think Mario is a real long shot for a number of reasons including being a mediocre head coach at FIU and all the player and coaching in-fighting.

 

[TemplarCane]

Dorsey has done very well as QB Coach at Carolina but that doesn't mean he's ready to be a OC at what should be an elite school. If the next HC had a background in offense and hired Dorsey, fine. Otherwise Dorsey needs a longer apprenticeship, like 'QB Coach/Passing Game Coordinator'. If the Miami offense is humming along and the OC moves to a new job, then perhaps you promote Dorsey.

Georgia hired an OC with 9 years experience in the NFL, Brian Schottenheimer, and their offense is terrible. The Bulldogs have had some key injuries (notably Chubb) but they still should be performing at a higher level. There are no guarantees.

Isn't Norm Chow available?

 

[NE Canes]

I’m not sure what his training of Cam has to do with him calling plays at Miami but can you name the other QBs Dorsey has trained? Are they great players too? Are they even any good?

And he only became the QB coach in 2013 so he has not been training Cam since 2011. He barley even communicated with Cam in 2011.

This notion that he is a hot commodity is false. The only place Dorsey has a chance of landing an OC job anytime soon is with Carolina and that will only be because he is familiar with the offense. Like many first time OCs that typically get promoted through the same team or move to work with a coach they already worked under. Or they at least have several years of coaching experience.
He has absolute zero experience calling plays and barely has any experience as a coach.

It is pure fan service to suggest he could come here and call plays. I admit it is a fun fantasy but a little ridiculous at this time.

 

[Angry Ibis]

He's a QB coach who you're giving credit to for Cam Newton when someone could just as easily lay it at the feet of Mike Shula.

What is so logical about him getting the OC job here? Not another QB coach in the NFL with playcalling experience who would be better qualified? Our last two OCs have had a combined two years of calling plays on the college level before getting to Miami. And the results show that. Done with guys learning on the job at the position. Ken can follow Butch or Mario to UCF. Learn there. See you in two years.

Ken Dorsey has trained Newton since 2011

Can't miss prospect Cam Newton, who runs like a WR with the strength of a FB and has one of the strongest arms in football and won NCs at both places he played in college?

Yep. That guy. The #1 overall pick.

Dorsey may be doing great things with Cam Newton. But is what Dorsey has done impossible for another competent QB coach? Refine the skills of an all-world talent.

My main point is the only thing that makes Dorsey the right guy for the job is him being an ex-player. He isn't the most qualified. You want to give a bright, talented inexperienced ex-player who is now coaching a spot you make him the WR coach. We've done that.

This is an Al Golden type of staff hire. Sounds good to the fans and the press and you'd never be pressured to fire the guy.

You've made great posts throughout this thread. It's pretty sad that we still have UM fans looking to engage in nostalgia hires after all that has gone wrong here over the past 15 years.

We need some great proven technicians in here. Immediately. If the program was humming along yeah take a chance here or there. Not now.

Dorsey might go on to a great career as an NFL OC and then hopefully come back here one day and lead us to NCs.

Josh Heupel had a similar background to Dorsey but with a much longer apprenticeship. He was a beloved guy at OU. Then he got the OC gig, failed, and got fired.

Solid. We are talking about turning young Cam Newton into more mature Cam Newton, not Tim Tebow into Steve Young.

 

[TemplarCane]

Solid. We are talking about turning young Cam Newton into more mature Cam Newton, not Tim Tebow into Steve Young.

Even Bill Walsh would have failed at that assignment.