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The biggest difference between Miami and Michigan

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WeBallinBoyz said:
Agreed. I just don’t want an offense like Michigan. It’s boring, they lack recruits because of it, and they’ll get exposed against superior teams. If they go down early, it’s hard to come back operating like that.

Now the trench play, absolutely. All day and twice on Sundays.

The perfect balance is Oregon, UGA this year - where you have a QB that can carve you up, and a physical rushing attack with a mixture of punishing RBs and explosive, lighting-in-a-bottle ones.

Even Texas has punishing RBs behind a good OL and a very star-studded DL.
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I don’t want that offense either but that’s not why they lack recruits.

Maybe a kid here and there decides he doesn’t like that much.

But it hasn’t hurt any Bama, UGA or any of the other “physical” run teams historically.

And even when Mich had Rich Rod there wasn’t that much of a difference in their recruiting to say that the offense mattered that much.
 
Cribby said:
Have you lost your mind ? You’re literally the guy that started the ”fat Manny “ moniker. You’re going heel to face more than the Big Show and Randy Orton combined.
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- That must be a rhetorical question
- Big Manny

Mario, and staff, are far from perfect in game management to be sure, but we are being a touch (ok ALOT) duplicitious in our arguments.

"Why can't Mario (aka Big Manny) just get out of his OCs way and let him run a modern offense!!!!???? He's such an interfering caveman!!!!"

vs...

"Jesus ******* christ, Mario needs to insert himself into the minutae of the 2 minute drill (OCs job btw) and why isn't he forcing the OC to call this or that wide open play!!!?? Why isn't Mario doing every other key staff member's job at critical points during the game!!!??? What a loser!!!"

With that said, the corches put the players on the field, but they have to be realistic with those pieces. Save BC game yesterday, anytime TVD touches the ball it's a crap shoot for catastrophe. So that limits plays, in turn limits game plan.

Emory, as valiant as he was, also clearly was limited in 2 minute drill scenarios.

I would also argue what some call "clock mismanagement" is actually a feature of San Mario's fysical philosophy of ball control and "we'll win in the end by grinding them down", who cares if by 1 or 100, Miami wins.

Porsters can disagree with the philosophy, but I don't think Mario sees it as mismanagement, you allegedly evolved window lickers just see the world differently than he does, but fyzical ball control offense just beat Ohio State and almost upset Bama with less talent (I still want to break **** I'm so ******* angry).

Now, this doesn't make either party right/wrong, but does make for good CIS thread debates don't it.

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DMoney said:
“Biggest” doesn’t mean “only.” I quickly went through some other differences in the OP.

This was a comment on the playing style debate that we see on these boards. The difference between their fYzIcAL and our FyZiCaL isn’t OL talent or explosive players. They are a lot smarter at controlling the game at the coach and quarterback positions, and the numbers reflect that.
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Dont forget they get to play rutgers for like 10 weeks straight @ home.. I dont think they left their home stadium first month of season.. They just have to win one game all year and start locked in playoff before season
 
DMoney said:
Physical, ball-control football still wins the games that matter. Miami tried to establish this culture all year. Our OL is actually better than Michigan’s right now- watch how the NFL draft plays out.

Yes, Michigan is the better team overall with the better defense and deeper NFL talent. But the difference should not be as stark as it is. What’s the biggest difference between the two teams? Game management.

Michigan is 5th nationally in fewest giveaways. Miami is 107th. And despite Michigan using a dozen different head coaches, they consistently make better decisions in crucial situations. They also had a smart quarterback who was at his best when his team needed a conversion.

You can’t be a physical, grind-it-out team if you consistently fail to manage the game. The reason Miami is 7-5 is because the coaches and quarterback did not consistently manage the game all season.
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Michigan has better
Coaching
Resources
Stadium
QB
RB
WRs
TE
DL
LB
CBs

Other then that were about the same.
 
dycane said:
Michigan is better at almost every single position, deeper at almost every single position, has better coaches by a mile, and its players look like professionals handling their business every week. Other than that, OP is spot on.
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Yanno, I listen to a lot of podcasts in the summer for gambling purposes. One stuck out to me. Now listen, it’s one guy’s opinion. It doesn’t mean **** in the grand scheme. But this guy is a northerner and knows a TON about CFB. Very prominent better and follower of the sport.

When doing the ACC preview, he had some reasonable things to say about us. And then he said something to the effect of “I don’t think the kids take football very seriously down there. If you’re REALLY serious about the game, if you’re a professional and your whole life is football, you go to Michigan, Taint, Bama, UGA, etc. When you go to Miami, you go to play ball, of course, but I don’t feel like very many kids who have an insatiable appetite for the game and want to consume football 24/7/365 go there”.

Now,,,,AGAIN….this isn’t every single kid, obviously. Some kids we get are very serious about the game. Some kids the upper echelon programs get or not. But overall, I can’t argue with him. The results and performance speaks for themselves. Now I do think Mario is trying to change this. He’s said it in so many words a ton of times. But I think it’s a pretty big part of what’s separated Miami from those schools for the last decade plus. I just don’t see 85 kids who are ******* cyborg T-1000 football players who are smart, disciplined, trained, etc. Those teams are like soldiers. Mercenaries. They’re ALL-IN and razor focused. I don’t think our kids are really like that, overall.

Anyway, just one dude talking into a mic in July. But it really stuck with me. At first I got defensive but when I really thought about it I was like ****, you really can’t argue that. If you wanna essentially be a pro before you’re a pro, you’re not likely going to Miami. Hope that changes soon with this staff.
 
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I gotta back my boy @DMoney here. I’d add something @Cribby and I have spoken about as well. UGA has dudes at skill positions, as in multiple RBs, tes and WRs, so does every other CFB playoff team. If we hold on to Carr and Riley (which we should), we start to look more and more dangerous on offense. Yes I think they are both that explosive. We still need a portal WR but we should have money to spend with our departures.
 
I really don’t want to model ourselves with Michigan…. More Jawja, bama, or OSU

They can move the ball at will vertically but easily can move the ball on the ground
 
Cribby said:
Have you lost your mind ? You’re literally the guy that started the ”fat Manny “ moniker. You’re going heel to face more than the Big Show and Randy Orton combined.
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RKO makes his comeback tonight
 
DMoney said:
Physical, ball-control football still wins the games that matter. Miami tried to establish this culture all year. Our OL is actually better than Michigan’s right now- watch how the NFL draft plays out.

Yes, Michigan is the better team overall with the better defense and deeper NFL talent. But the difference should not be as stark as it is. What’s the biggest difference between the two teams? Game management.

Michigan is 5th nationally in fewest giveaways. Miami is 107th. And despite Michigan using a dozen different head coaches, they consistently make better decisions in crucial situations. They also had a smart quarterback who was at his best when his team needed a conversion.

You can’t be a physical, grind-it-out team if you consistently fail to manage the game. The reason Miami is 7-5 is because the coaches and quarterback did not consistently manage the game all season.
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Disagree. The biggest difference is the culture. Michigan players are about the things that Miami players roll their eyes at. You don't get more disciplined, or more physical, or more creative in play calling just because you say you are going to. It's about actually giving a **** 365 days a year. It's about leadership, effort and accountability 365. We aren't even close.
 
Michigan is going to have more guys drafted on the online this year than Miami. Cohen will be taken first somewhere in the 2nd day, only because Zinter got carted off the field today. Lee and Michigans center are both day 3 guys..

Idk what that nfl draft comment was supposed to mean


Miami has a very good Oline group this year. Let’s see if they can repeat the success moving forward before we go and say we are better than Michigans.
 
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lol. Two shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. It’s like what’s the difference between Temple and Miami. Different levels.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Yanno, I listen to a lot of podcasts in the summer for gambling purposes. One stuck out to me. Now listen, it’s one guy’s opinion. It doesn’t mean **** in the grand scheme. But this guy is a northerner and knows a TON about CFB. Very prominent better and follower of the sport.

When doing the ACC preview, he had some reasonable things to say about us. And then he said something to the effect of “I don’t think the kids take football very seriously down there. If you’re REALLY serious about the game, if you’re a professional and your whole life is football, you go to Michigan, Taint, Bama, UGA, etc. When you go to Miami, you go to play ball, of course, but I don’t feel like very many kids who have an insatiable appetite for the game and want to consume football 24/7/365 go there”.

Now,,,,AGAIN….this isn’t every single kid, obviously. Some kids we get are very serious about the game. Some kids the upper echelon programs get or not. But overall, I can’t argue with him. The results and performance speaks for themselves. Now I do think Mario is trying to change this. He’s said it in so many words a ton of times. But I think it’s a pretty big part of what’s separated Miami from those schools for the last decade plus. I just don’t see 85 kids who are ******* cyborg T-1000 football players who are smart, disciplined, trained, etc. Those teams are like soldiers. Mercenaries. They’re ALL-IN and razor focused. I don’t think our kids are really like that, overall.

Anyway, just one dude talking into a mic in July. But it really stuck with me. At first I got defensive but when I really thought about it I was like ****, you really can’t argue that. If you wanna essentially be a pro before you’re a pro, you’re not likely going to Miami. Hope that changes soon with this staff.
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We have had some players with that 247365 football mindset...but I'd probably agree with the overall point...a program that disappoints as much as Miami likely has a high number, if not disproportionately high number of those types of unserious players on the team at all times.

Those programs with serious football being played...as I mentioned earlier in this thread...Michigan is LOADED with players with that dawg mentality. Look at how they came together with all the adversity around the program. Look at how Alabama finished that Auburn game today. That ain't us.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Yanno, I listen to a lot of podcasts in the summer for gambling purposes. One stuck out to me. Now listen, it’s one guy’s opinion. It doesn’t mean **** in the grand scheme. But this guy is a northerner and knows a TON about CFB. Very prominent better and follower of the sport.

When doing the ACC preview, he had some reasonable things to say about us. And then he said something to the effect of “I don’t think the kids take football very seriously down there. If you’re REALLY serious about the game, if you’re a professional and your whole life is football, you go to Michigan, Taint, Bama, UGA, etc. When you go to Miami, you go to play ball, of course, but I don’t feel like very many kids who have an insatiable appetite for the game and want to consume football 24/7/365 go there”.

Now,,,,AGAIN….this isn’t every single kid, obviously. Some kids we get are very serious about the game. Some kids the upper echelon programs get or not. But overall, I can’t argue with him. The results and performance speaks for themselves. Now I do think Mario is trying to change this. He’s said it in so many words a ton of times. But I think it’s a pretty big part of what’s separated Miami from those schools for the last decade plus. I just don’t see 85 kids who are ******* cyborg T-1000 football players who are smart, disciplined, trained, etc. Those teams are like soldiers. Mercenaries. They’re ALL-IN and razor focused. I don’t think our kids are really like that, overall.

Anyway, just one dude talking into a mic in July. But it really stuck with me. At first I got defensive but when I really thought about it I was like ****, you really can’t argue that. If you wanna essentially be a pro before you’re a pro, you’re not likely going to Miami. Hope that changes soon with this staff.
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That’s the culture change Mario wants to bring. Those guys that played yesterday had every reason to pack it in. They went out there and kicked ***. Manny’s teams wouldn’t have shown up.
 
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