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DMoney said:
The last Butch draft was 2004, over fifteen years ago.
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The last butch draft was ‘05, but we’re splitting hairs. (Chris Myers was an ‘05 draft class kid.) The point is those classes (and the next couple) gave the league the talent that supports the chart you linked to. The past decade has not been so kind to us. It’s pretty clear when you look at it.

‘02: McKinnie, Shockey, Buchanon, Reed, Rumph, Portis, Bibla, Najeh, Lewis, Jones, Joaquin
’03: AJ, McDougle, McGahee, Joseph, Green, Williams, Walters, Dorsey
’04: Taylor, KWII, Vilma, DJ, Carey, Wilfork, McClover, Marshall, Joseph
’05: Rolle, Parrish, Gore, Everett, Myers
 
This don't mean a **** thing

It's what kind of talent u sending.....is it game changers....fillers....household names etc.
 
RightSaidFred said:
Ed Reed said it at his press conference..... nine kids aren't going to win games for you by themselves - it's the kids in the middle who win and lose games for you.

Miami will always have a few kids that go to the NFL. Most kids at Miami don't. And it's the non-NFL kids that decide if you win or lose games.


At a place like Wisconsin, the kids who aren't going to the NFL are tough and they play hard. They love football and pride themselves in it.

At a place like Miami, the kids who aren't going to the NFL - they're soft and they roll over as soon as adversity hits.
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He can't say yo we suck......maybe that's what got him the job and I love Reed and love the hire. Why didn't the Zo deal go through? Maybe he would of kept it a buck. Who knows man. Our talent isn't as great since Butch left and it's fact....just watch Sundays man.
 
Since 2010, there have been 69 Miami Hurricanes that were invited to the NFL Combine and/or drafted by the NFL (66 combine invitees, 3 drafted non-combine invitees).

I've defined the following

Starter - You don't need a definition here, a consistent starter in the league.
Role-Player - Perhaps has started a game here or there, or even for long stretches, but has settled into the league as a rostered role player.
Backup/Practice Squad - deep bench guy. Maybe he plays, probably from an injury.
Out of the League - Basically played through one contract or less.

So...69 players.

Starters - 13 (18%)
Role-Players - 14 (20%)
Current Backup/PS - 16 (24%)
Out of the League - 26 (38%)

In the past decade...

Round 1 - 4 (6%)
Round 2 / 3 (aka Day 2) - 13 (19%)
Round 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 (aka Day 3) - 35 (51%)
Un-drafted - 17 (24%)

I'll let the reader figure out if that is good or not.

If you add 2020 to the mix...add another 8 projected Day 3 or undrafted players to the list
 
Wisconsin since 2010 has had 7 first round picks to our 4. Several all pros, too. Watt is a first ballot Canton guy. R. Wilson (3rd rd pick) is 7x all pro, SB title and has a good shot HOF. Joe Brown (‘08 draft) is a first ballot HOFer also. Frederick is a 5x pro bowler. TJ Watt is already a 2x all pro. Ramczyk also.

It’s really sad to look at the all pro lists. On my review, the only all pros (first or second team) we have had since 2014 are two coker recruits (campbell, olsen) and one shannon recruit (vernon). In 2013, AJ, Graham and Rolle made it (first or second team). In 2012 Wayne and Wilfork were there. In 2011, you can find Lewis, Reed, Hester and Myers names there.

So for all the lists people post about our while ago great nfl guys, our recent results don’t look so good.
 
Miami graduated better nfl talent in the 1970s than it did in the 2010s.

Our best player from the 2010s is J. Graham, a basketball player who played 1 season at UM to learn the position. C. Foreman, D. Harrah, B. Owens, E. Edwards, O. Anderson, G. Dunn all from ’70s.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Since 2010, there have been 69 Miami Hurricanes that were invited to the NFL Combine and/or drafted by the NFL (66 combine invitees, 3 drafted non-combine invitees).

I've defined the following

Starter - You don't need a definition here, a consistent starter in the league.
Role-Player - Perhaps has started a game here or there, or even for long stretches, but has settled into the league as a rostered role player.
Backup/Practice Squad - deep bench guy. Maybe he plays, probably from an injury.
Out of the League - Basically played through one contract or less.

So...69 players.

Starters - 13 (18%)
Role-Players - 14 (20%)
Current Backup/PS - 16 (24%)
Out of the League - 26 (38%)

In the past decade...

Round 1 - 4 (6%)
Round 2 / 3 (aka Day 2) - 13 (19%)
Round 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 (aka Day 3) - 35 (51%)
Un-drafted - 17 (24%)

I'll let the reader figure out if that is good or not.

If you add 2020 to the mix...add another 8 projected Day 3 or undrafted players to the list
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OK. Now do the rest of the nation. Posts like this are meaningless unless you compare us to everyone else.

It's hard to make it to the NFL. That's why only two programs in the world have more current NFL players than Miami.
 
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If you want to evaluate talent based on the NFL then you have to base it on their performance in the league. Using the NFL draft as a whole is just lazy because it rewards bad draft picks. Instead, base our talent on performance in the league and the years the player started for UM would be a better way.

If you look at some of our draft picks you will find that they only produced for a year at Miami. Obviously some of this has to do with transfers but it is important to consider this when trying to determine overall roster talent.
 
DMoney said:
OK. Now do the rest of the nation. Posts like this are meaningless unless you compare us to everyone else.

It's hard to make it to the NFL. That's why only two programs in the world have more current NFL players than Miami.
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Exactly
 
DMoney said:
OK. Now do the rest of the nation. Posts like this are meaningless unless you compare us to everyone else.

It's hard to make it to the NFL. That's why only two programs in the world have more current NFL players than Miami.
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By all means...go right ahead.

I'd hypothesize that most schools can bat 75% on their draft eligible (combine/drafted players) players Day 3 or undrafted over a decade or 62% of their combine/draftees as Backups or Out of the League in a few years or bounce around the league for a minute. It doesn't seem special, man.

You focus too much on the Calais Campbells, Brandon Linders, Olivier Vernons of the world, not enough on the rolling Brandon Washingtons, Brandon McGees, and Dee Delaneys that annually fill in most of your "total number of NFL players in the league" posts.

At this point, I don't even know what your point is on this topic...its been lost in the discourse over the years.
 
Andrew said:
If you want to evaluate talent based on the NFL then you have to base it on their performance in the league. Using the NFL draft as a whole is just lazy because it rewards bad draft picks.
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That's why I used total salary, and not draft picks. It accounts for the second contract.
 
BoxingRobes said:
I'd hypothesize that most schools can bat 75% on their draft eligible (combine/drafted players) players Day 3 or undrafted over a decade or 62% of their combine/draftees as Backups or Out of the League in a few years or bounce around the league for a minute.
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Then why are other schools producing less NFL players, under your hypothesis?
 
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Andrew said:
NFL 1st round draft picks since 2010:

SEC
-Alabama 28
-Florida 13
-LSU 10
-Georgia 9

ACC
-Clemson 11
-Florida State 11
-Lousville 8
-North Carolina 6
-Viriginia Tech 4
-Miami 4
-Boston College 3
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Didn’t have any in the first 5 drafts of that decade. Had 4 in the last 5 drafts though. Guarantee Miami is top 10 in first round draft picks since 2015 and top 5 in total draft picks or close to it since 2015. Rememeber Miami wasn’t producing that much talent outside of a few names or draft picks in 2010-2014 or so
 
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Current NFL players and position on depth chart in 2020...

Starting Quality Players - 38%
Role-Players - 24%
Deep Bench/Practice Squad - 38%
 
DMoney said:
Then why are other schools producing less NFL players, under your hypothesis?
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If we are such an NFL factory, why are most of our players given a shot in the league out of the league on average with everyone else?

We have some outliers - ones that are aging by the day, but most of the players that comprise whatever argument you are making here are out of the league in the same time frame as every other school. The fact we have more of them doesn't mean we have a disproportionate amount of talent. I'm not sure how having a rolling number of practice squad and deep bench types mean we have more talent. You'll have to help me with that one.

Your data supports an argument that says we have a disproportionate amount of outlier talents, not that we have more talent...more talent than what? Wake Forest? I'm not even sure what your point is. Like, ya...we have more talent than Pitt. Cool. We know this.
 
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