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NFL Combine invites by team (2020)

DMoney said:


Five Top 10 teams, two Top 15 teams, two Top 18 teams and a team that lost to FIU.

Say what you want about our talent. Every time a list comes out like this, we stick out like a sore thumb.

We need to start playing to our talent. That will make everything else much easier, including recruiting.
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I'll say it again, we may not have the top-end talent of Bama, Clemson, Ohio St, etc but this right here is indicative that there is enough talent to beat the FIUs and Coastal Division flotsam and jetsom...
 
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Andrew said:
If you want to evaluate talent based on the NFL then you have to base it on their performance in the league. Using the NFL draft as a whole is just lazy because it rewards bad draft picks. Instead, base our talent on performance in the league and the years the player started for UM would be a better way.

If you look at some of our draft picks you will find that they only produced for a year at Miami. Obviously some of this has to do with transfers but it is important to consider this when trying to determine overall roster talent.
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The real problem is if the point is to show talent at MIAMI, you have to actually look at the rosters. By unit. By year. Did we have balance, depth, experience? Did we have line strength? Did we have a capable qb? Notice every time I point this out, it gets ignored?

A handful of NFL kids a year may sound good, but it’s actually a poor way to discuss talent if you’re being sincere about the discussion. We have an 85 man roster. Play 50 or so guys regularly. Guys who we are forced to play as true frosh may go on to play in the nfl, but it sure doesn’t mean they were ‘nfl talent’ as true frosh. Jimmy Graham has had a great nfl career, but he wasn’t meaningful at UM, for obvious reasons. So going back and pointing to ‘nfl kids‘ on our roster doesn’t illuminate much without more work. And the proof point is results. Clemson does just fine with their approach. To those who claim our past decade teams have been supremely talented because ‘nfl draft,’ one possibility is that’s just the wrong way to understand our roster talent at miami, in games.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Over the past DECADE, Um has produced 4 first round picks and 3 second round picks. 7 top two round guys over 10 years. Not sure where that puts us relative to other programs? Or what to think it says about overall effective roster talent at UM?
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Since 2010, first round picks

Alabama - 28
Ohio State - 15
Florida - 12
Florida State - 11
LSU - 10
Clemson - 10
Texas A&M - 9
Georgia - 9
Oklahoma - 8
USC - 7
Wisconsin - 7
Louisville - 7
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Miami - 4

Boise State has had 4. TCU has had 4. UCF has had 3. Baylor has had 5.

Rest of the Coastal

Virginia - 0
Virginia Tech - 4
Pitt - 2
North Carolina - 6
Duke - 2
Georgia Tech - 2

Rest of the ACC (not listed)

Wake Forest - 1
Boston College - 3
Syracuse - 2
NC State - 2
 
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k9cane said:
I'll say it again, we may not have the top-end talent of Bama, Clemson, Ohio St, etc but this right here is indicative that there is enough talent to beat the FIUs and Coastal Division flotsam and jetsom...
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Sure, but we all already know that. That’s why we’ve had 5 coaches in 20 years. So why do we keep seeing these nfl lists? Why do we hear about brandon linder and olivier vernon contract terms? What actual point is being made?

Any serious roster talent discussion needs to go a lot deeper than these lists or the thead discussions they engender.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Sure, but we all already know that. That’s why we’ve had 5 coaches in 20 years. So why do we keep seeing these nfl lists? Why do we hear about brandon linder and olivier vernon contract terms? What actual point is being made?

Any serious roster talent discussion needs to go a lot deeper than these lists or the thead discussions they engender.
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Well, this then goes to the problem of why 'NFL U' is something that needs to be shelved. Lets go back to being a great college program. Ive hated that mantra since it began during the Coker era, the focus should be on what this program does as a team at Miami
 
brock said:
Didn’t have any in the first 5 drafts of that decade. Had 4 in the last 5 drafts though. Guarantee Miami is top 10 in first round draft picks since 2015 and top 5 in total draft picks or close to it since 2015. Rememeber Miami wasn’t producing that much talent outside of a few names or draft picks in 2010-2014 or so
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Those 1st rounders have been busts for the most part.
 
brock said:
Didn’t have any in the first 5 drafts of that decade. Had 4 in the last 5 drafts though. Guarantee Miami is top 10 in first round draft picks since 2015 and top 5 in total draft picks or close to it since 2015. Rememeber Miami wasn’t producing that much talent outside of a few names or draft picks in 2010-2014 or so
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It’s ironic you write that because we likely sent quality nfl talent to the nfl in ‘10-‘14 than ‘15-‘19. Since ‘15, we’ve had 4 first rounders and one second rounder. Zero all pro seasons so far from that group. Zero pro bowl seasons so far, either.

From the ‘10-‘14 group, you have the two fancy contracts D$ mentions (vernon, linder), J. Graham, plus some pretty solid careers in miller, benjamin, bailey, mccarthy pre-injry, bosher, o’donnell. Spence but for injury has a good career, imo.
 
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k9cane said:
Well, this then goes to the problem of why 'NFL U' is something that needs to be shelved. Lets go back to being a great college program. Ive hated that mantra since it began during the Coker era, the focus should be on what this program does as a team at Miami
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Yep. Coker started it. It’s like a virus in our fan base today. People scratching their heads about talent when it’s obvious our rosters have been thin, unbalanced, immature.
 
DMoney said:
So other teams recruit less NFL players because they're smarter.
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You are seemingly traying hard not to think about anything beyond your simple nfl stats. Not sure there’s any productive way to continue to point it out, but your analysis sounds defensive and like an effort not to see our real talent issues rather than an effort to understand them. Personally, I don’t know how you can try to fix something if you din’t first understand what’s wrong.
 
Metaphors suck, but I’m not sure how else to highlight the point. If you contended a chain was strong because 10% of it’s links were steel, and ignored that half of the rest of them were broken and a few were missing, well, you’d be wrong.

It’s about time people around this program started to grasp that roster talent is about the 2 deep and scout team too, not just a couple of guys in the trophy case. It’s like a chain. A few links doesn’t provide a helpful picture. Don’t believe me? Look at the results. The NFL may be content with a few of your guys. But we must play a whole team, not just a few nfl guys In a 7 on 7.

Heck, how many first or second team All American seasons have we had the past decade? Or even first team all ACC seasons? How do those stats compare with other programs? Who are our peers there?
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Yep. Coker started it. It’s like a virus in our fan base today. People scratching their heads about talent when it’s obvious our rosters have been thin, unbalanced, immature.
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We've had an incredibly unique roster situation at Miami for quite some time.

The bottom 50% of our roster is constantly filled with attrition candidates and recruiting busts and we haven't played with a full allotment of scholarships in idk how long.

The talent gap on our roster is wild.
 
BoxingRobes said:
We've had an incredibly unique roster situation at Miami for quite some time.

The bottom 50% of our roster is constantly filled with attrition candidates and recruiting busts and we haven't played with a full allotment of scholarships in idk how long.

The talent gap on our roster is wild.
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Yep. And I have been pointing this exact thing out since Coker was here!
 
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Our actual, available, real life roster talent has cratered like the Titanic after the iceberg, and folks here are still playing violins and toasting like the boat was just leaving port.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Our actual, available, real life roster talent has cratered like the Titanic after the iceberg, and folks here are still playing violins and toasting like the boat was just leaving port.
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Yeah Miami is so devoid of talent let you Mfs tell it. Y’all go in the deep end to try to prove something but when someone bring up facts like dmoney did earlier y’all try to change it to whatever narrative and spin it.

this is facts no one said Miami is putting out elite talent consistently however it is undoubtedly ENOUGH to win the coastal. That’s all anyone is saying.... A sh*t for brain can come up with that. However we are still producing talent that’s sticking in the league, there’s only what maybe 3-4 guys left from that 2005-2009 era that’s doing anything in the league(gore, olsen, Campbell etc) everyone else is from the last decade. No one is relying on talent from those other mid 2000 cane teams to make up rosters like that do you can’t say that either.


again the overarching point is we have enough to consistently win the coastal, let’s start with that first before we try to compare our talent output with premium canes teams from the 2000s evertime. Let’s win the coastal consistently first which will allow you to get better recruiting and more premium draft picks
 
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Ethnicsands said:
You are seemingly traying hard not to think about anything beyond your simple nfl stats.
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Stats, unlike posters, take the rest of the nation into account. They exist outside a Canes bubble. Look at the company we are keeping on each of these lists.

You constantly talk about lack of depth but ignore that our biggest strength is volume of NFL players. It's not just a couple of guys. The 2013 team was an NFL squad.

Recruiting rankings speak to the collective wisdom of college coaches. We're Top 15 and best in the Coastal. NFL salaries speak to the collective wisdom of NFL GMs. We're sixth in the nation. People like our talent when it's not being coached by our coaches. That's why our talent is employed and our coaches aren't.
 
brock said:
Yeah Miami is so devoid of talent let you Mfs tell it. Y’all go in the deep end to try to prove something but when someone bring up facts like dmoney did earlier y’all try to change it to whatever narrative and spin it.

this is facts no one said Miami is putting out elite talent consistently however it is undoubtedly ENOUGH to win the coastal. That’s all anyone is saying.... A sh*t for brain can come up with that. However we are still producing talent that’s sticking in the league, there’s only what maybe 3-4 guys left from that 2005-2009 era that’s doing anything in the league(gore, olsen, Campbell etc) everyone else is from the last decade. No one is relying on talent from those other mid 2000 cane teams to make up rosters like that do you can’t say that either.


again the overarching point is we have enough to consistently win the coastal, let’s start with that first before we try to compare our talent output with premium canes teams from the 2000s evertime. Let’s win the coastal consistently first which will allow you to get better recruiting and more premium draft picks
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See, everyone knows we have had enough talent to win the coastal. That’s really a weak explanation for these nfl list threads.
 
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