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It'd be a test of Diaz/Applewhite (if MA is the guy). As I said off the board, if they're skilled, they can bring in Hurts and still convince Williams it's in his best interest to stay, compete, potentially play during the year (he'd be sitting out if he went elsewhere, anyway), and take the reigns ready to showcase for the pros in 2020 regardless. If they can do that, we all win. And, perhaps we can get back to winning.

*Also, as I said off the board, I think that type of convincing would begin with admission Jarren Williams got absolutely ****ED this year in an incredible way. To not receive any meaningful snaps despite watching two trainwrecks ahead of him and the season already a disaster is gross negligence. And, Jarren should know that level of toxicity is now gone from the program.
 
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LuCane said:
It'd be a test of Diaz/Applewhite (if MA is the guy). As I said off the board, if they're skilled, they can bring in Hurts and still convince Williams it's in his best interest to stay, compete, potentially play during the year (he'd be sitting out if he went elsewhere, anyway), and take the reigns ready to showcase for the pros in 2020 regardless. If they can do that, we all win. And, perhaps we can get back to winning.

*Also, as I said off the board, I think that type of convincing would begin with admission Jarren Williams got absolutely ****ED this year in an incredible way. To not receive any meaningful snaps despite watching two trainwrecks ahead of him and the season already a disaster is gross negligence. And, Jarren should know that level of toxicity is now gone from the program.
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One of the biggest no brainers of all time around here. The QB play was a coat-hanger abortion last year. Hurts is not Trevor Lawrence, but he **** sure ain't Malik Rosier either. Diaz better be blowing his phone off the hook (if phones had hooks anymore). If this kid has one iota of interest, you MUST give him your best pitch to get him here.
 
LuCane said:
It'd be a test of Diaz/Applewhite (if MA is the guy). As I said off the board, if they're skilled, they can bring in Hurts and still convince Williams it's in his best interest to stay, compete, potentially play during the year (he'd be sitting out if he went elsewhere, anyway), and take the reigns ready to showcase for the pros in 2020 regardless. If they can do that, we all win. And, perhaps we can get back to winning.

*Also, as I said off the board, I think that type of convincing would begin with admission Jarren Williams got absolutely ****ED this year in an incredible way. To not receive any meaningful snaps despite watching two trainwrecks ahead of him and the season already a disaster is gross negligence. And, Jarren should know that level of toxicity is now gone from the program.
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We're operating under the assumption that Williams himself wasn't a trainwreck? Or that Jarren didn't contribute to the toxicity? It says something about a QB who can find a way to get suspended before he even takes a snap. I'm not sure anyone keeps track of this sort of thing but I doubt the hit rate is very high on guys who that happens to. That offensive staff deserves no benefit of the doubt but plenty of people just knew that Perry had to play...then they actually got to see him play.
 
droneld29 said:
We're operating under the assumption that Williams himself wasn't a trainwreck? Or that Jarren himself didn't contribute to the toxicity? It says something about a QB who can find a way to get suspended before he takes a snap. I'm not sure anyone keeps track of this sort of thing but I doubt the hit rate is very high on guys who that happens to. That offensive staff deserves no benefit of the doubt but plenty of people just knew that Perry had to play...then they actually got to see him play.
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We're operating under the FACT he didn't get any snaps whatsoever. We know for sure the other guys were trainwrecks. We know for sure Williams can, at the very least, throw a football forward. With those facts, you play him a few meaningful plays or a quarter to see what the **** would happen. In the least. Giving a nod to coaches on anything that happened under Richt/Richt/Brown/Searles is along the lines of arguing against players during the Donofrio days. We know for sure the coaches were F'd, and maybe Jarren was too, but he should have seen SOME snaps and get on tape.
 
Consider the source but I'm still surprised we're not even on there.

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LuCane said:
It'd be a test of Diaz/Applewhite (if MA is the guy). As I said off the board, if they're skilled, they can bring in Hurts and still convince Williams it's in his best interest to stay, compete, potentially play during the year (he'd be sitting out if he went elsewhere, anyway), and take the reigns ready to showcase for the pros in 2020 regardless. If they can do that, we all win. And, perhaps we can get back to winning.

*Also, as I said off the board, I think that type of convincing would begin with admission Jarren Williams got absolutely ****ED this year in an incredible way. To not receive any meaningful snaps despite watching two trainwrecks ahead of him and the season already a disaster is gross negligence. And, Jarren should know that level of toxicity is now gone from the program.
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I agree with everything you just said!

I would hate to lose Jarren even though a Grad transfer helps bridge the gap and gives us a more certain bump to 10 wins
 
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LuCane said:
We're operating under the FACT he didn't get any snaps whatsoever. We know for sure the other guys were trainwrecks. We know for sure Williams can, at the very least, throw a football forward. With those facts, you play him a few meaningful plays or a quarter to see what the **** would happen. In the least. Giving a nod to coaches on anything that happened under Richt/Richt/Brown/Searles is along the lines of arguing against players during the Donofrio days. We know for sure the coaches were F'd, and maybe Jarren was too, but he should have seen SOME snaps and get on tape.
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Eh. That is a lot of hope and prayer fan nonsense. If that is what it had become, why aren't you advocating for Weldon once he got off suspension? Lets make the final 3 games of the season a complete circus. All three freshmen get a quarter each game. The one who played the best gets the 4th quarter.

The system was trash and the playcaller was broken and had no answers. Other than satisfying your curiosity all you're doing is setting Williams up to fail. Williams should be thanking whatever God he prays to that he didn't get any action. It wasn't gonna be a good experience. Competent offensive coaches wouldn't take a thing away from his tape in an archaic system. All they would see is bad anyway. Diaz allegedly didn't really look at the tape from the D'Onofrio years. Clean slate for all.
 
droneld29 said:
Eh. That is a lot of hope and prayer fan nonsense. If that is what it had become, why aren't you advocating for Weldon once he got off suspension? Lets make the final 3 games of the season a complete circus. All three freshmen get a quarter each game. The one who played the best gets the 4th quarter. The system was trash and the playcaller was broken and had no answers.

Other than satisfying your curiosity all you're doing is setting Williams up to fail. Williams should be thanking whatever God he prays to that he didn't get any action. It wasn't gonna be a good experience. Competent offensive coaches wouldn't take a thing away from his tape in an archaic system. All they would see is bad anyway. Diaz allegedly didn't really look at the tape from the D'Onofrio years. Clean slate for all.
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You like using straw man arguments, huh? You assumed I didn't want Weldon to get snaps? Why? I was talking about Jarren's situation. I think anyone and everyone should have gotten meaningful looks this past year. Williams' experience may not have been good, but we would have been able to compare it to the other two guys.

Anyone with half a brain can place things in context. If he looked subpar in a broken system, doesn't mean he'd look subpar in the next system, but we'd at least get a sense of how he'd look relative to the other QBs who were on roster. We'd also get to take a look at his feet, his balance, his mechanics and much more. There's much more to glean from live games than from what I watched Williams do in practices. Not letting Jarren play at all is inexcusable. What's the gain? To save him from how he'd look? Nonsense.
 
LuCane said:
You like using straw man arguments, huh? You assumed I didn't want Weldon to get snaps? Why? I was talking about Jarren's situation. I think anyone and everyone should have gotten meaningful looks this past year. Williams' experience may not have been good, but we would have been able to compare it to the other two guys.

Anyone with half a brain can place things in context. If he looked subpar in a broken system, doesn't mean he'd look subpar in the next system, but we'd at least get a sense of how he'd look relative to the other QBs who were on roster. We'd also get to take a look at his feet, his balance, his mechanics and much more. There's much more to glean from live games than from what I watched Williams do in practices. Not letting Jarren play at all is inexcusable. What's the gain? To save him from how he'd look? Nonsense.
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Again, sounds a lot like you wanted your curiosity about Williams satisfied more than anything else and really your curiosity doesn't mean a **** thing. Diaz has spoken multiple times about the position. It sure sounds like he wasn't impressed by any of them. No mention of lack of opportunities being a factor either in his displeasure.

It isn't the first time a freshman QB didn't get any snaps in a lost season. The new redshirt rule won't change that for a lot of QBs. They will continue to sit behind older players even if those older players are a disaster. Specifically if the coaches determine the younger players are worse than the QBs in front of them. Allegedly the team was split because some players got to play when they didn't "deserve" it. You know what is most divisive? Playing QBs who don't deserve it. I have heard nothing from anybody to suggest Williams earned his way on to that field. Not even from detractors of the staff. Even in a lost season, I believe your opportunities should be merit-based. If he got fat and lazy when he realized he was out of it then he got what he deserved. He got to be an observer.
 
I take Jalen over the entire QB room and to be honest Manny needs to bring in 2 QBs. If the other QBs don't like it then dip out
 
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ItsACanesThing7 said:
Wouldn't mind him as a one year rental. Doesn't sound like our coach is giving out guarantees to transfers about starting though, so that might hurt us with him
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I wouldn't have minded dating Cindy Crawford in the 90's and Diaz is certainly not going to be able to guarantee Hurts a starting spot over
a director of soft **** and 2 guys that have never taken a snap in a college game. What might hurt is being 7-6 and not having an OC
 
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