From the Perch: Florida

Aug 27, 2019

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HurricaneHauk

Aug 27, 2019

Seems a lot of things can be easily corrected just by more playtime. Awful how Richt managed the QBs last season

TheChosenOne

Aug 27, 2019

Roman Marciante said:
It's back. From the Perch. More Audio. Less Words. The Dan Enos era is upon us and it was the breath of fresh air to break down a new offense that essentially comes at you in waves. I will expand more in this thread and touch base to answer questions. Have a great night Canes Fans. You might want to put the audio up. (not too loud, it's late)

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You missed the biggest mistake Jarren Williams made in the game.

The best pocket Jarren had all game. Had about 7 seconds to get rid of the ball. Osborn is run a IN route against soft zone and Jarren took a sack with 34 seconds left in the game.

LuCane

Aug 27, 2019

Roman Marciante said:

I'm no fan of overusing the RPO. Especially to the WR screen. But, damnit if it wasn't an advantage this game against Gator CBs who really didn't want any part of contact. I don't believe this early toss to Osborne was ever attempted again.

FrancisSawyer

Aug 27, 2019

@Roman Marciante
@LuCane
Could either of you provide any insight into why Enos kept going from under center after it was obvious his tackles were getting killed? Not only did Enos keep going from under center but he kept having Jarren execute play fakes. This makes no sense to me. Who was that supposed to fool? What could have possibly been the purpose? What on earth did Enos think he was going to accomplish by doing this? Do either of you have any sort of idea what Enos could have been thinking?

I also want to get your opinion on why we never tried any max protect. We rarely brought anyone in to help Nelson. They just kept him out on an island and watched the kid take beating after beating. Thoughts? Ideas?

Something else I noticed that really bothered me was that we never tried to consistently exploit our physical advantage over the gator secondary. We needed to run plays that made the gator CBs have to tackle our guys in space and we just never stayed with it.

Also where were our bigger more physical WR? We could have used Hightower and even Wiggins along with Jordan and Mallory to run fades against the physically overmatched Florida CBs as we approached the red zone. We never attempted any jump ball type throws to take advantage of our height and athleticism. Why did Enos continue to go small(Osbourne, Thomas and Harley)?

I realize that I'm just a fan and that Enos is an experienced, knowledgeable and well respected OC and QB coach who makes a 7 figure salary but the examples above make absolutely zero sense to me. I'm hoping that maybe one of you guys or anyone on the board for that matter can maybe give me another perspective that might help me understand the thought process of our coaches specifically Enos. Thanks in advance.

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da truth

Aug 27, 2019

LuCane said:
I'm no fan of overusing the RPO. Especially to the WR screen. But, damnit if it wasn't an advantage this game against Gator CBs who really didn't want any part of contact. I don't believe this early toss to Osborne was ever attempted again.

Should have been do another 5 times

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prinmemo

Aug 27, 2019

After watching more game footage I am more convinced Zion is the truth. At least half the sacks involved Jarren holding on to the ball more than 3 seconds. I’m at least a couple of them he could have passed the ball to his checkdowm.

If he had thrown the ball away on those plays or made his check down plays the game probably would have turned out differently.

I expect Jarren to get better this season and reduce those types of errors. When he does, the OL will look a lot better and our offense is going to go ape**** on our opponents.

Go Canes!!

Aug 27, 2019

Beautiful example of why Garvin was so "ineffective" for all the arm chair defensive coordinators.

Garvin read the play, took his hand off the ground and forced Franks into a busted play by shadowing him to perfection.

He did his job all night.

Go Canes!!

Aug 27, 2019

prinmemo said:
After watching more game footage I am more convinced Zion is the truth. At least half the sacks involved Jarren holding on to the ball more than 3 seconds. I’m at least a couple of them he could have passed the ball to his checkdowm.

If he had thrown the ball away on those plays or made his check down plays the game probably would have turned out differently.

I expect Jarren to get better this season and reduce those types of errors. When he does, the OL will look a lot better and our offense is going to go ape**** on our opponents.

At the very least it better explains the decision making process by the coaches.

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HarrietTubmanCane

Aug 27, 2019

These breakdowns show that Jarren’s vision could be a lot better as far as, finding his check down, anticipating pressure, and finding the blitzer. UF gambled to stop him and test his mettle, and he wasn’t ready to answer their challenge on most plays down the stretch. His QB coach is the blame for all of this as well. Enos has to calm him down and help him see what’s happening to him, how their defense is in desperation, and how to make them pay for it quickly.

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Home Slice

Aug 27, 2019

Love the analysis. Keep up the good work Roman!

KWCOWBOYFAN

Aug 27, 2019

Great breakdown as usual.

On the wildcat formations, it looked like they are set up for multiple options, such as flipping the ball back to Jarren, Tate throwing, DJ throwing, double reverse, etc.

I would have liked Jarren to throw it up a few times for that 50/50 chance that our wr can make the catch. And who knows, the way their db’s were playing, we might have gotten a few more pass interference calls.

Overall I am exiting to see the offense evolve.

252cane

Aug 27, 2019

On that 3rd clip i think thats the same play thomas was open for a td too.

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dk72

Aug 27, 2019

HarrietTubmanCane said:
These breakdowns show that Jarren’s vision could be a lot better as far as, finding his check down, anticipating pressure, and finding the blitzer. UF gambled to stop him and test his mettle, and he wasn’t ready to answer their challenge on most plays down the stretch. His QB coach is the blame for all of this as well. Enos has to calm him down and help him see what’s happening to him, how their defense is in desperation, and how to make them pay for it quickly.

True, but that is exactly the sort of thing you see with first time starters at QB, especially, in Jarren's case, one who never even got any real mop-up duty in the past either. So he went into a huge, primetime rivalry game against a good, aggressive defense, and a weak O-line, with basically zero game experience.

Given that, and how he did perform, even with his many mistakes, I'm very confident in his abilities. I expect the game will slow down for him as he gets some more experience and confidence. A week off to work on mistakes, a test against UNC, and then two weeks of playing cupcakes to hone his skills and continue to grow more comfortable with the offense and the speed of the game, and he should be ready to take on the meat of the ACC schedule coming up after that. He has the potential to be a very good QB.

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bornagaincane

Aug 27, 2019

Jarren did extremely well considering that it was his first game, and no oline. Tua or the guy in Clemson wouldn't do any better under the same circumstances. I believe we found our QB at last.

Garnacho

Aug 27, 2019

FrancisSaywer said:
@Roman Marciante
@LuCane
Could either of you provide any insight into why Enos kept going from under center after it was obvious his tackles were getting killed? Not only did Enos keep going from under center but he kept having Jarren execute play fakes. This makes no sense to me. Who was that supposed to fool? What could have possibly been the purpose? What on earth did Enos think he was going to accomplish by doing This? Do either of you have any sort of idea what Enos could have been thinking?

I also want to get your opinion on why we never tried any max protect. We rarely brought anyone in to help Nelson. They just kept him out on an island and watched the kid take beating after beating. Thoughts? Ideas?

Something else I noticed that really bothered me was that we never tried to consistently exploit our physical advantage over the gator secondary. We needed to run plays that made the gator CBs have to tackle our guys in space and we just never stayed with it.

Also where were our bigger more physical WR? We could have used Hightower and even Wiggins along with Jordan and Mallory to run fades against the physically overmatched Florida CBs as we approached the red zone. We never attempted any jump ball type throws to take advantage of our height and athleticism. Why did Enos continue to go small(Osbourne, Thomas and Harley)?

I realize that I'm just a fan and that Enos is an experienced, knowledgeable and well respected OC and QB coach who makes a 7 figure salary but the examples above make absolutely zero sense to me. I'm hoping that maybe one of you guys or anyone on the board for that matter can maybe give me another perspective that might help me understand the thought process of our coaches specifically Enos. Thanks in advance.

I know you didn't @ me but I had the same questions and felt like they were somewhat answered after watching the Enos and Diaz pressers.

I also want to get your opinion on why we never tried any max protect.

We showed zero max protect packages and ran one rollout. Diaz was asked about this and his response was that as a D-Coordinator he felt rollouts were a crutch because you are telling the defense you are only going to use half the field. Considering that we saw a rolloout but didn't see a max protect, I deduce that he probably feels max protect is a crutch package as well. It's a cutting edge take from someone who has his own philosophy about the modern game. I respect it.

Furthermore, Enos expressed more frustration with Jarren holding on to the ball than protection. He obviously feels Jarren had plenty of time to hit targets (or IMO maybe even scramble). So it doesn't sound like Enos was as concerned with protection as the fans were because the options were there and Jaren had enough time to make the throws

It looks like Enos and Manny are going to stick with their philosophy. The good news - that's the best front 7 we face in the regular season and Enos felt like Jarren had plenty of opportunities.

imyrhuckleberry

Aug 27, 2019

Great review. Learned the same lesson I learn every year . . . wait a day, watch the film, watch the film again and let reason prevail. I believe Enos absolutely thought, before the game, we were going to win it and that he still thinks we should have. He's fired up . . . So am I . . .

KrazyCane

Aug 27, 2019

TheChosenOne said:
You missed the biggest mistake Jarren Williams made in the game.

The best pocket Jarren had all game. Had about 7 seconds to get rid of the ball. Osborn is run a IN route against soft zone and Jarren took a sack with 34 seconds left in the game.

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These types of lapses at the qb position are much worst than a muffed punt or an offensive tackle blowing an assignment. He throws the ball and we win the game.

ScubaCane

Aug 27, 2019

TheChosenOne said:
You missed the biggest mistake Jarren Williams made in the game.

The best pocket Jarren had all game. Had about 7 seconds to get rid of the ball. Osborn is run a IN route against soft zone and Jarren took a sack with 34 seconds left in the game.

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That just hurts and it's plays like this that made Enos badmouth JW's performance, he's got to make that play

canecrazy23

Aug 27, 2019

Go Canes!! said:
Beautiful example of why Garvin was so "ineffective" for all the arm chair defensive coordinators.

Garvin read the play, took his hand off the ground and forced Franks into a busted play by shadowing him to perfection.

He did his job all night.

Yes sir!! Those complaining about graven not getting pressure or sacks didn't watch the game and just read the box score.