From the Perch: Florida

Aug 27, 2019

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brock

Aug 27, 2019

KrazyCane said:
Nelson played better than Campbell both had bad games but also held up on plenty of plays for Jarren to do something with the ball and he didn’t.

Disagree, go look back at the sacks and pressures

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swampcougar1

Aug 27, 2019

With two weeks to work on it I think we see a much more aggressive JW against NC. Just having the first game experience will speed his progressions
up. I feel the sacks would have been far fewer against the crocs with a game under his belt.

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ddann

Aug 27, 2019

OrangeBowlMagic said:
Or he's a freshman and he's not ready and the game is way too fast for him right now and isn't seeing what he should be seeing in order to let it rip.

I liked a good bit of what I saw from Williams. There's definite positives. But there's also things that are very alarming, like his inability to know his situation and surroundings. You don't run out of bounds behind the sticks. Literally a kid playing HS JV football gets reamed for that. So there's things to build on, but there's certainly red flags here too. It's up to Enos and the kid to build on the positives and eliminate the negatives. He's surely got some talent, though. But the decision making was a little scary for me.

I agree with all of this.

Right now, in my mind, there is about a 60% chance that Jarren Williams is Kyle Wright 2.0.

If he doesn’t see the field the way he should and lacks awareness and holds the ball too long then it doesn’t matter what kind of talent he has or what he shows in practice. I hope he can make some strides, but I’m definitely in “wait & see” mode.

ShadowSpring

Aug 27, 2019

Tweed said:
Last play of the game. If the snap is on point, we win the game. It was a delayed screen to DeeJay, and the entire field is open & Camp has his man pancaked & KJ would’ve been on Henderson, or DeeJay 1 on 1 with Henderson at worst.

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Garnacho

Aug 27, 2019

FrancisSaywer said:
That's a great assessment. I just watched the Enos presser and went over Romans post again and I think the picture is beginning to come into much sharper focus for me. It would seem that Williams didn't play nearly as well as it may have seemed. Jarren's reluctance to pull the trigger makes me wonder if maybe Diaz/Enos are overdoing the whole "Don't burn the house down." shtick. What we may have here is that Jarren is so concerned about throwing an interception that he's not letting himself play instinctively. When you have a QB that has the type of skills JW has you can't over do the fear based coaching. At some point you are going to make him feel that it's ok to let it rip.

As a QB coach, you expect the highest level of performance out of your quarterbacks. As an OC, you cannot afford to gameplan around perfect quarterbacking. At the end of the day, this is on Enos. He is most responsible for this loss IMO.

And interestingly enough, in the Diaz presser, he seemed to say poor tackling was the reason we lost

chilltill

Aug 27, 2019

bornagaincane said:
Jarren did extremely well considering that it was his first game, and no oline. Tua or the guy in Clemson wouldn't do any better under the same circumstances. I believe we found our QB at last.

exactly the moment was too big for him given the circumstances , give us bama or clemson oline and we win the game... can't wait to see him grow every week. Dude is a stud!

JimmyJohnsonsHair

Aug 27, 2019

FrancisSaywer said:
@Roman Marciante
@LuCane
Could either of you provide any insight into why Enos kept going from under center after it was obvious his tackles were getting killed? Not only did Enos keep going from under center but he kept having Jarren execute play fakes. This makes no sense to me. Who was that supposed to fool? What could have possibly been the purpose? What on earth did Enos think he was going to accomplish by doing this? Do either of you have any sort of idea what Enos could have been thinking?

I also want to get your opinion on why we never tried any max protect. We rarely brought anyone in to help Nelson. They just kept him out on an island and watched the kid take beating after beating. Thoughts? Ideas?

Something else I noticed that really bothered me was that we never tried to consistently exploit our physical advantage over the gator secondary. We needed to run plays that made the gator CBs have to tackle our guys in space and we just never stayed with it.

Also where were our bigger more physical WR? We could have used Hightower and even Wiggins along with Jordan and Mallory to run fades against the physically overmatched Florida CBs as we approached the red zone. We never attempted any jump ball type throws to take advantage of our height and athleticism. Why did Enos continue to go small(Osbourne, Thomas and Harley)?

I realize that I'm just a fan and that Enos is an experienced, knowledgeable and well respected OC and QB coach who makes a 7 figure salary but the examples above make absolutely zero sense to me. I'm hoping that maybe one of you guys or anyone on the board for that matter can maybe give me another perspective that might help me understand the thought process of our coaches specifically Enos. Thanks in advance.

All of this.

Aug 27, 2019

brock said:
Nelson was just as bad if not worse

Campbell was way worse IMO. Nelson was fine minus the snap count miscues and later on when Florida pinned back. Campbell was terrible throughout the entire game.

Canes Brotherhood

Aug 27, 2019

TheChosenOne said:
You missed the biggest mistake Jarren Williams made in the game.

The best pocket Jarren had all game. Had about 7 seconds to get rid of the ball. Osborn is run a IN route against soft zone and Jarren took a sack with 34 seconds left in the game.

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The game was just to fast for him being his first start. Qbs talk about it all the time, having the game slow down. It will for him eventually.

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miamifan007

Aug 27, 2019

TheChosenOne said:
You missed the biggest mistake Jarren Williams made in the game.

The best pocket Jarren had all game. Had about 7 seconds to get rid of the ball. Osborn is run a IN route against soft zone and Jarren took a sack with 34 seconds left in the game.

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Just that's hard to watch but hopefully with experience and confidence, this changes for the better.

KrazyCane

Aug 27, 2019

bornagaincane said:
Jarren did extremely well considering that it was his first game, and no oline. Tua or the guy in Clemson wouldn't do any better under the same circumstances. I believe we found our QB at last.

Terrible excuse... and I believe NKosi Perry would’ve given us a better chance to win the game not to mention a qb like Tua or Trevor Lawrence??

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ddann

Aug 27, 2019

FlaSportsFan88 said:
Campbell was way worse IMO. Nelson was fine minus the snap count miscues and later on when Florida pinned back. Campbell was terrible throughout the entire game.

That’s the way it looked to me in real time.

And I’m not going back and watching it again unless they’ve added an alternate ending.

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miamifan007

Aug 27, 2019

Go Canes!! said:
Beautiful example of why Garvin was so "ineffective" for all the arm chair defensive coordinators.

Garvin read the play, took his hand off the ground and forced Franks into a busted play by shadowing him to perfection.

He did his job all night.

Jesus, Franks is so bad still.

He’s a more arrogant Malik.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes

Aug 27, 2019

Tweed said:
Last play of the game. If the snap is on point, we win the game. It was a delayed screen to DeeJay, and the entire field is open & Camp has his man pancaked & KJ would’ve been on Henderson, or DeeJay 1 on 1 with Henderson at worst.

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This breaks my heart. Being there, I was just following the snap/ball/QB and didn’t see the developing play in front.

I almost wish I didn’t know this.

(EDIT: @Tweed - I believe I saw you at the game - you wearing that green shirt with the white like stripes/fleck with a U on the front)

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Hstokes1447

Aug 27, 2019

Tweed said:
Last play of the game. If the snap is on point, we win the game. It was a delayed screen to DeeJay, and the entire field is open & Camp has his man pancaked & KJ would’ve been on Henderson, or DeeJay 1 on 1 with Henderson at worst.

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NorthEastCane

Aug 27, 2019

HarrietTubmanCane said:
U can tell him that his WRs are pointing out blitzers on multiple plays shown here and he did nothing to speed up his progressions or find the quick check down. This thread shows it happen over and over, so what was Enos telling him or doing to rectify it?? I don’t know, but Enos demands perfection and I demand it from him as well.

We all demand it. It doesn't matter who or how many people are telling him. There's something called information overload. He's processing all that plus avoiding a pass rush that he was unable to focus on progressions. The game just has to slow down for him. Then he'll be fine.

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Kn[]_[]ckles3o5

Aug 27, 2019

raytiller said:
exactly the moment was too big for him given the circumstances , give us bama or clemson oline and we win the game... can't wait to see him grow every week. Dude is a stud!

Go through Lawrence's first few games last season. He by no means was perfect.

He lit up Furman off the bench. Who cares? I'm willing to bet Jarren will look like Tom Brady against BCU.

Against Texas A&M he basically only completed one big pass. That throw was a jump ball into double coverage and Tee Higgins just made a fantastic play then took it like 50 yards to the house.

In his third game seeing action he showed flashes of his capabilities against a pretty bad GT defense. I didn't see him do anything I don't think Jarren is capable of doing in the same scenarios. Most of his best plays appeared to be throws to his first read from a clean pocket or roll outs. Again his accuracy stood out on those plays none of them seemed like other worldly throws.

In his first start against Syracuse at home, a good defense but not necessarily UFag level, he was fairly pedestrian. He had a fumble on a handoff miscue, got sacked a couple times, and knocked out of the game in the first half. That was after having had 60 pass attempts and maybe twice as many snaps to get used to real college football.

I don't know if early season Lawrence would have survived the onslaught Jarren dealt with in Orlando Saturday night. With just a bit cleaner pocket and some film to breakdown this kid really should be the goods guys. He may not ever be what Trevor Lawrence is being built up to be but he is probably going to be really **** good in the not too distant future.

chilltill

Aug 27, 2019

Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
Go through Lawrence's first few games last season. He by no means was perfect.

He lit up Furman off the bench. Who cares? I'm willing to bet Jarren will look like Tom Brady against BCU.

Against Texas A&M he basically only completed one big pass. That throw was a jump ball into double coverage and Tee Higgins just made a fantastic play then took it like 50 yards to the house.

In his third game seeing action he showed flashes of his capabilities against a pretty bad GT defense. I didn't see him do anything I don't think Jarren is capable of doing in the same scenarios. Most of his best plays appeared to be throws to his first read from a clean pocket or roll outs. Again his accuracy stood out on those plays none of them seemed like other worldly throws.

In his first start against Syracuse at home, a good defense but not necessarily UFag level, he was fairly pedestrian. He had a fumble on a handoff miscue, got sacked a couple times, and knocked out of the game in the first half. That was after having had 60 pass attempts and maybe twice as many snaps to get used to real college football.

I don't know if early season Lawrence would have survived the onslaught Jarren dealt with in Orlando Saturday night. With just a bit cleaner pocket and some film to breakdown this kid really should be the goods guys. He may not ever be what Trevor Lawrence is being built up to be but he is probably going to be really **** good in the not too distant future.

that was my point i think JDUB will be fine as the season progresses even Trevor had a learning curve.

chilltill

Aug 27, 2019

Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
Go through Lawrence's first few games last season. He by no means was perfect.

He lit up Furman off the bench. Who cares? I'm willing to bet Jarren will look like Tom Brady against BCU.

Against Texas A&M he basically only completed one big pass. That throw was a jump ball into double coverage and Tee Higgins just made a fantastic play then took it like 50 yards to the house.

In his third game seeing action he showed flashes of his capabilities against a pretty bad GT defense. I didn't see him do anything I don't think Jarren is capable of doing in the same scenarios. Most of his best plays appeared to be throws to his first read from a clean pocket or roll outs. Again his accuracy stood out on those plays none of them seemed like other worldly throws.

In his first start against Syracuse at home, a good defense but not necessarily UFag level, he was fairly pedestrian. He had a fumble on a handoff miscue, got sacked a couple times, and knocked out of the game in the first half. That was after having had 60 pass attempts and maybe twice as many snaps to get used to real college football.

I don't know if early season Lawrence would have survived the onslaught Jarren dealt with in Orlando Saturday night. With just a bit cleaner pocket and some film to breakdown this kid really should be the goods guys. He may not ever be what Trevor Lawrence is being built up to be but he is probably going to be really **** good in the not too distant future.

and the thing is he doesn't have to live up to the trevor lawerence hype if our fan base doesn't stop saying"oh but jarren was better than trevor at the opening" like any of that matters at this point... will love to see those two guys battle the next two years in the ACC Championship game.

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iLoveTDs

Aug 27, 2019

bornagaincane said:
Jarren did extremely well considering that it was his first game, and no oline. Tua or the guy in Clemson wouldn't do any better under the same circumstances. I believe we found our QB at last.

They wouldn’t do any better? Lol ok

Only the 2 best QBs in CFB.