This reminds me of Coker in 2006

[Ethnicsands]

We’ve played with under 80 kids for years. Our experienced guys bail early. Our lines are weak and thin. We get talent in, but if a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, then we are weak. When we have a full roster, a complement of upperclassmen, assistants that can coach, a Hc that can hire assistants other programs will want, amd schemes that are innovative and fit our talent and culture, then we will able to be back to competitive.

Right now, we’re a travesty of a mockery of a sham, as programs go.

 

[Andrew]

You must not be reading the same posts.

Talent is not the answer. That’s the whole point. We have talent, and can get more if we present a quality product. We need coaching.

In fact, we need coaching more than anyone. Go back and look at our championship teams and all the let downs they had. The greatest team of all time almost lost to BC. You are right, we have and can get the talent to win but we need good coaching to develop skill.

 

[Seeker]

I agree i hate when anyone makes the nfl and they say well we have nfl talent like we r putting in first rounders or pro bowl players. Most teams have nfl players but we need quality nfl players like the butch players. This site continues topump up bumbs and say its development but when said player makes the league hes trash. And thats with nfl coaching so there theory is just that a theory cause there players stay bumbs.
Quality players come from the big dogs mostly

Most Canes fans think because we're The U we should automatically produce top NFL talent. But the guys (Schnell, JJ, Butch) that produced those types of players and created that brand are long gone.

We've produced (4) 1st round picks in the past 10 years -- Butch used to produce 4 or more in one year! And 3 of those are busts (Flowers, Dorsett, Burns)

We have a decent amount of players in the league, but few are impact players -- we don't consistently produce them anymore.

 

[ddann]

You must not be reading the same posts.

Talent is not the answer. That’s the whole point. We have talent, and can get more if we present a quality product. We need coaching.

I see what you're saying and a lot of it makes sense. But there is still one thing missing from that long list of NFL players from UM.

QB.

 

[Ethnicsands]

You can't only claim it is coaching at Miami. First of all I agree, Miami needs great coaching to win. In fact we need Nick Saban level coaching to win, we can't do it on talent. You also need to take a look at the coaching these kids get before school.

The local kids who go elsewhere seem to do okay.

Our staff has been full of mediocre guys, and we see the results you’d expect from that state of affairs.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Most Canes fans think because we're The U we should automatically produce top NFL talent. But the guys (Schnell, JJ, Butch) that produced those types of players and created that brand are long gone.

We've produced (4) 1st round picks in the past 10 years -- Butch used to produce 4 or more in one year! And 3 of those are busts (Flowers, Dorsett, Burns)

We have a decent amount of players in the league, but few are impact players -- we don't consistently produce them anymore.

Facts

 

[RightSaidFred]

I like this.

No team can win national championships without getting multiple 5-stars and without having a blue chip ratio well above 50%.

But that said, Miami has been putting the cart before the horse. We need to walk before we can run.

If we can get good coaches in here that run schemes that work well with South Florida talent, then we can win 10 games a year even with the talent we have now.

Once we are doing that consistently, and if the product on the field is fun, then we will start to attract more 5-star kids.

We saw yesterday that UM is a long way from elite. We need both coaching and recruiting to get better in order to get there.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I like this.

No team can win national championships without getting multiple 5-stars and without having a blue chip ratio well above 50%.

But that said, Miami has been putting the cart before the horse. We need to walk before we can run.

If we can get good coaches in here that run schemes that work well with South Florida talent, then we can win 10 games a year even with the talent we have now.

Once we are doing that consistently, and if the product on the field is fun, then we will start to attract more 5-star kids.

We saw yesterday that UM is a long way from elite. We need both coaching and recruiting to get better in order to get there.

Boise was doing that though and nothing happened, theres numerous teams that have a good nucleus and foundation nand dont win titles. Miami never won on that miami has always won with talent we are one of those talent schools if we get the talent we used to we win. This smoke and mirrors trickster **** aint for us and wont convince kids to come here if not it would work for those other bumb schools. Those kids still go to elite schools that recruit well and have savages on the squad, they dont wake up one day and say im going to the trickster school with fancy offenses. No they go to bama Uga UF LSU etc

 

[Ethnicsands]

You must not be reading the same posts.

Talent is not the answer. That’s the whole point. We have talent, and can get more if we present a quality product. We need coaching.

It’s both. Our organization is awful. That isnt just coaching. It’s support staff, resources, commitment, culture. All awful.

Our talent doesn’t explain the crap we saw yesterday, or the bad results of the past 17 years. So it’s not just talent. But our roster ain’t what it needs to be, and nfl lists don’t prove otherwise. We don’t even play with a full roater. At the most bsic level, we’re competing with a short stack, simply because our own staff doesn’t seem to give a **** and the admin lets it not care. Our teams have recruited poorly on the LOS flr ages, which we know is a serious issue. We have recruited spasmodically, rarely stacking good classes in a row at position groups, let alone overall. We have lacked roster competition for ages. When we recruit Lbs well one year, it’s off the priority list for 3 years. You cannot win that way. And of course, no QB for decades

Special teams suffer with lack of roster depth and lack of focus and coaching. Yep, our special teams have suffered.

It’s not coaching or talent. It’s both. We can get the talent. And we hve underperformed for sure. But nfl stats also overstate the overall roster talent we have had.

An iowa or wisconsin may not have so many nfl guys, but they have upper classmen who compete with each other for pt. That creates culture, drive, improvement. We have not had sustaned roster competition for ages.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Boise was doing that though and nothing happened, theres numerous teams that have a good nucleus and foundation nand dont win titles. Miami never won on that miami has always won with talent we are one of those talent schools if we get the talent we used to we win. This smoke and mirrors trickster **** aint for us and wont convince kids to come here if not it would work for those other bumb schools. Those kids still go to elite schools that recruit well and have savages on the squad, they dont wake up one day and say im going to the trickster school with fancy offenses. No they go to bama Uga UF LSU etc

One thing I've noticed about recruiting is that momentum is a big deal. This year, there's a lot of negative energy around the program from fans, friends, family, etc and kids are avoiding Miami like the plague. Last year, when we were winning, we had that momentum on our side and we were signing studs left and right. Once we started losing games, we stopped getting the best recruits.

Miami needs to build its brand back up. It needs to be the cool place to go, and not a national joke like it is today. Kids want to go to a school they believe can win national titles. We need to do something that will make kids believe that we can compete at that level.

Oh, and we need to drop bags.

I don't think Boise is the best comparison. If Miami didn't get any more talented than they are today, then I think this program's ceiling with great coaching is more like Chip Kelly's Oregon teams from a decade ago. Good enough to beat Clemson and win the ACC, probably not good enough to hang with Alabama.

 

[Dwinstitles]

It’s both. Our organization is awful. That isnt just coaching. It’s support staff, resources, commitment, culture. All awful.

Our talent doesn’t explain the crap we saw yesterday, or the bad results of the past 17 years. So it’s not just talent. But our roster ain’t what it needs to be, and nfl lists don’t prove otherwise. We don’t even play with a full roater. At the most bsic level, we’re competing with a short stack, simply because our own staff doesn’t seem to give a **** and the admin lets it not care. Our teams have recruited poorly on the LOS flr ages, which we know is a serious issue. We have recruited spasmodically, rarely stacking good classes in a row at position groups, let alone overall. We have lacked roster competition for ages. When we recruit Lbs well one year, it’s off the priority list for 3 years. You cannot win that way. And of course, no QB for decades

Special teams suffer with lack of roster depth and lack of focus and coaching. Yep, our special teams have suffered.

It’s not coaching or talent. It’s both. We can get the talent. And we hve underperformed for sure. But nfl stats also overstate the overall roster talent we have had.

An iowa or wisconsin may not have so many nfl guys, but they have upper classmen who compete with each other for pt. That creates culture, drive, improvement. We have not had sustaned roster competition for ages.

CMon man Ethnic is killin it this is the truth right here how can no one see it

 

[Ethnicsands]

One more thing. Bury the turnover chain. At least until we win something worth celebrating.

 

[mdpcane]

Right now, we’re a travesty of a mockery of a sham, as programs go.

that would be an improvement over where we are right now

 

[Dwinstitles]

Its a mixture of both like ethnic is saying, people think its just coaching. Its bad coaching and not good enough recruiting unbalanced classes no elite classes stacked in a row.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Its a mixture of both like ethnic is saying, people think its just coaching. Its bad coaching and not good enough recruiting unbalanced classes no elite classes stacked in a row.

It’s all of it.

Just look at our assistants. Back under JJ, it was a who’s who of future coaches. Butch had a real staff. Hire mediocrity, get mediocre staffs, and the impact is exponential awfulness.

We should hire a HC who is 37–42 and aspires to treating Um as a path, not a destination.

People got so butthurt over butch, yet he left us with a championship roster, which is a lot more thna his successors did.

 

[RightSaidFred]

That's how this feels. Same age (58), same record. We have an offensive coach with a boring, ineffective offense. Our only hope is hiring an OC to do the coach's job for him. We are trying to make Richt a CEO, even though his big-picture judgment this year would get him fired by any board. The defense is good but overworked and flawed. The quarterback play is the worst it's been since Kyle and Kirby.

It's been twelve years since Coker got fired and we are in the same place. This sucks.

The reality is you can't fire Richt after three years. No AD in America would do that. I think there's enough pressure on him that he will hire an OC. But the question is: will he be bold, or will he make a "safe" choice that really changes nothing? History would suggest the latter.

Whatever he does, this needs to be the year. And if we don't make that leap into the Top 10, we need to move on and rethink our approach. Coker, Shannon, Golden and Richt all had one thing in common: they weren't innovators. They were supposed "CEOs" who believed in winning with simple schemes and better athletes. The past sixteen years have proven that won't work here. This is a program built on innovation. We need to get back to that.

Miami is a more attractive place than it was in 2006. We have a great stadium and modern facilities. Guys like Leach and Mullen were begging for the job. Someone like Dino Babers would kill for this opportunity. We saw in 2017 how quickly momentum can shift for the better. But we're getting old. And this season looked way too familiar.

If we've learned anything from the Richt experiment, it's that fans put too much emphasis on the head coach.

Coordinators, position coaches, and support staffs are worth their weight in gold. Miami needs to be prepared to hire elite teachers at these positions.

Look at what Manny Diaz was able to do with the defense this year. If the offense were as good as the defense, then Miami would be good enough to compete for the ACC. That's at least a start.

 

[mdpcane]

In fact, we need coaching more than anyone. Go back and look at our championship teams and all the let downs they had. The greatest team of all time almost lost to BC. You are right, we have and can get the talent to win but we need good coaching to develop skill.

you can build a great race car but you need Petty or Earnhardt driving it

 

[Dwinstitles]

It’s all of it.

Just look at our assistants. Back under JJ, it was a who’s who of future coaches. Butch had a real staff. Hire mediocrity, get mediocre staffs, and the impact is exponential awfulness.

We should hire a HC who is 37–42 and aspires to treating Um as a path, not a destination.

People got so butthurt over butch, yet he left us with a championship roster, which is a lot more thna his successors did.

I want Butch again I dont trust the higher ups to make the right decision

 

[Consigliere]

A ten game sham that everyone saw through. We lost out on a ton of our targets too. Signed a good class for sure but the team got worse and we got pretty much nothing out of the stellar class.

You say “we just need to get the most out of what we have,” but we haven’t done that in almost 20 years. Pretty sure Rick’s shown over the course of 18 years that he doesn’t “get the most out of what he has.”

So then what’s the answer? Dig another year of a hole waiting to fire him. Let him completely destroy the program in the process. Then lather, rinse and repeat with a new guy and a bevy of excuses of how he has to rebuild the roster. Or maybe consider a new model? What we do hasn’t come close to working.

Perfect post.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I want Butch again I dont trust the hire ups to make the right decision

Hire h8m as AD. Fire Flake Blames. Let Butch hire the next next HC.

We need someting other than a 70 year old HC if we’re recruiting kids born after Butch last coached at UM.