I love Nasty Nate. He was a tremendous player for us. I agree that Ray's DL was better, but I'll still take him over any other LBer22 games as a starter...300+ tackles can't be touched....on a team that had a MUCH weaker DL than Ray had....Go look at Rays DL...then look at Nates DL....and tell me who's was better....That makes a WORLD of difference for a LBer...