Do you really think kids want to play at home or experience the "its better somewhere else"?Kids want to play at home. They also want to get to the next level and win. It’s truly that simple. Yes, everyone needs to eat. Again, beat Alabama We are in the conversation for every recruit we want. Fact
Did they look awesome on the menu, added a few items from another restaurant, but when they arrived and you actually ate the meal, it was underwhelming??Never....Sat we ordered Empanadas from a place called "Manny's"
The order had "4"....and ate them all in "17" seconds.....Did they look awesome on the menu, added a few items from another restaurant, but when they arrived and you actually ate the meal, it was underwhelming??
Bruce Smith/Lawrence Taylor??....C'mon Man.....Greg is gonna be a great selling point.. when he finally starts and shows out everyone will take notice of his draft position.. I see a Bruce Smith Lawrence Taylor in him
If you take away the elite QB and DL talents, Clemson is Virginia Tech during the Beamer years. Well-coached, tough, ultimately a non-factor.
First and foremost, Clemson is a dynasty because they because they have elite players at the two most important positions.
He started with the slip-n-sliders appetizerDid they look awesome on the menu, added a few items from another restaurant, but when they arrived and you actually ate the meal, it was underwhelming??
At first blush I thought this was crazy but I can see what you’re saying. They both found system fit players. That said, Clemson still recruits higher stars on average than VT did under Beamer. Beamer would recruit virtually all 3 stars with a few 4 stars scattered in. Then they would coach and develop the **** out of them, especially on defense. Beamer and Foster are a different cultural breed from Miami but I always wondered what they could’ve done if they were sitting in Coral Gables.If you take away the elite QB and DL talents, Clemson is Virginia Tech during the Beamer years. Well-coached, tough, ultimately a non-factor.
First and foremost, Clemson is a dynasty because they because they have elite players at the two most important positions.
**Butches Scribe is more accurate
It’s also a good example of @Ethnicsands point that draft picks don’t always equate to overall team talent. If you have one NFL lineman playing with four other bums on the o-line, your line won’t be good. If there’s a big gap between your best handful of players and the rest of your roster, you’re likely not going to get great on-field results. Miami has done a good job of recruiting/developing a small handful of NFL type players but has hindered the team’s success by teaming them with subpar team mates and using them in poor schemes.As coincidence would have it, here’s a list of the most draft picks by position from every ACC school in the last 20 years that Packer and Durham compiled this morning:
(disclaimer: I was writing this down as quickly as possible but believe I got it pretty close)
QB: Louisville. 5
RB: Miami. 10
WR: Clemson. 15
TE: Miami. 11
OL: Miami. 13 (we were tied with another team but I missed it.
DL: Semenholes. 23.
LB: Miami. 10.
DB: Miami/VT. 23
P/K. GT. 3
The 2 I highlighted were a couple of note.
As some have argued, seems we’ve had plenty of talent but the results on the field haven’t lived up to it.
Virginia Tech never competed nationally like Clemson does now with the exception of the Mike Vick years. They took off in the 90’s when Miami went on probation and did a good job at taking over a joke Big East conference. They rarely played big OOC games and managed to win at a good rate against admittedly weak P5 competition. They’d usually get invited to a decent bowl game and get smoked but considering the talent level, Beamer and Foster did a great job of maximizing what they had.At first blush I thought this was crazy but I can see what you’re saying. They both found system fit players. That said, Clemson still recruits higher stars on average than VT did under Beamer. Beamer would recruit virtually all 3 stars with a few 4 stars scattered in. Then they would coach and develop the **** out of them, especially on defense. Beamer and Foster are a different cultural breed from Miami but I always wondered what they could’ve done if they were sitting in Coral Gables.
You’re literally a Butch encyclopedia. Lol. How was lunch at Butch’s yesterday, btw? Did you say hi for Wingstop (@305to954)?
Yeah they’re Clemson Ultra Light.Virginia Tech never competed nationally like Clemson does now with the exception of the Mike Vick years. They took off in the 90’s when Miami went on probation and did a good job at taking over a joke Big East conference. They rarely played big OOC games and managed to win at a good rate against admittedly weak P5 competition. They’d usually get invited to a decent bowl game and get smoked but considering the talent level, Beamer and Foster did a great job of maximizing what they had.
He was off by a playoff appearance and job title???Youve already seen what happens with a little fact checking of that “encyclopedia “
I think the common mistakes when making these "NFL talent" comparisons isI will repeat what I said in the other thread:
If we want an accurate estimation of how we’re doing, we need to compare ourselves to other teams with similar signing day rankings, say 5 to 7 teams in the same ranking range over the discussed time period.
The comparison may not be to our favor, I don’t know. But comparing top draft choices for Miami to teams like Alabama, Ohio State, et al, it’s just not an accurate comparison, when they are signing top three classes every year.
I think it started with the coach and his knowledge of the model. I know you know this but if you don't have the coaching staff you're doomed to underperform. Underperform and you lose your grip on the top players. Right now our grip on top players has loosened tremendously and we're still underperforming. If that doesn't change the grip on top players will slip completely. We can't afford to continue to trot out bad coaching staffs.If you take away the elite QB and DL talents, Clemson is Virginia Tech during the Beamer years. Well-coached, tough, ultimately a non-factor.
First and foremost, Clemson is a dynasty because they because they have elite players at the two most important positions.
My point exactly. What was different in the Vick years?Virginia Tech never competed nationally like Clemson does now with the exception of the Mike Vick years.
Absolutely, a game changer at quarterback can overcome a talent gap. We saw what happened when Deshaun Watson’s Clemson team beat a vastly superior Alabama team for the title. You swap quarterbacks and the game is a blowout.My point exactly. What was different in the Vick years?