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MaRiO NeEds his OwN GuYs

Gsugradcanefan said:
Blue chip ratio isn't the end all be all, but it's a good indicator that Miami isn't as bereft of talent like people on this site (and to a larger extent, Cristobal) are trying to claim. Miami isn't elite in talent, but to claim as if the kids on the roster are along the lines of fcs players of asinine. A good amount of these kids were recruited by more big time schools. So clearly talent and potential was there, but ****** coaching squandered that.
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Agree, MTSU didn't have the 4-5 start talent, but was overlooked by Mario and coaching. He was thinking oh this's just an easy win lest go through the motions an practice for NC. Well he didn't win any of those two. But great news we've this great x an o's coach for another 7-8 years. Only because he'll win the coastal soon.. whenever that is.
 
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dlow_cane said:
Agree, MTSU didn't have the 4-5 start talent, but was overlooked by Mario and coaching. He was thinking oh this's just an easy win lest go through the motions an practice for NC. Well he didn't win any of those two. But great news we've this great x an o's coach for another 7-8 years. Only because he'll win the coastal soon.. whenever that is.
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I forget which player it was who stated that the team assumed MTSU was going to be an easy win before getting punched in the mouth. But, if the entire team had that mindset leading up to and going into the game then that is 100% on Mario and the staff. As HC it is your job to ensure the entire team is ready and focused, no matter the opponent. He failed at that.
 
dlow_cane said:
Agree, MTSU didn't have the 4-5 start talent, but was overlooked by Mario and coaching. He was thinking oh this's just an easy win lest go through the motions an practice for NC. Well he didn't win any of those two. But great news we've this great x an o's coach for another 7-8 years. Only because he'll win the coastal soon.. whenever that is.
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He'll win the coastal soon, whenever that is??....that's the epitome of a Oxymoron...
 
WaterburyCane said:
Change out the mortadella for some Capicola and you have a home run. That looks dope. Ive just never been a fan of mortadella.
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Mortadella, capicolla and Genoa is a winner together too. I like the mortadella as it’s mellowing with the other two meats. I’ll leave it to @SWFLHurricane on the chef side when it comes to combining flavors and textures.

As for the thread, I agree with OP but this is a repeat topic that was addressed after the MTSU game so it might get merged into the Basura Bin. That said - It’s not the preseason ranking, it’s the 247 talent level where we’re 13th and MTSU is 92nd. As I’ve said, that game had no excuses. I do get losing to closer matched teams with established staffs. And as I’ve also said, losing to VT would be an indictment on what we’re doing as they have less talent and a brand new staff as well.

Enjoy your sandwich.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
I forget which player it was who stated that the team assumed MTSU was going to be an easy win before getting punched in the mouth. But, if the entire team had that mindset leading up to and going into the game then that is 100% on Mario and the staff. As HC it is your job to ensure the entire team is ready and focused, no matter the opponent. He failed at that.
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Teams come out flat all the time. They normally don't get blown out by MTSU, but it happens to every team, every season.

UGA was a 30 (?) point favorite and was losing to Mizzou the entire game. If they play that game 10 times, UGA wins by 30+ probably 8 of them. Just on that Saturday, UGA wasn't clicking, Mizzou got confidence as they game got close late, and that very easily could have been a loss for UGA. It happens to everybody. I'm sure Kirby did the best he could to ensure the entire team was ready and focused, but they weren't. It's college football.

The great Jimmy Johnson has been quoted many, many times over the years saying something to the effect of you can only get your team "up" to play a handful of times a year. The rest of the games you just need to hang on, have some bounces go your way, and hopefully be so much better than your opponent that your talent advantage wins in the end. So yeah, he failed at it. But every coach fails at it. The problem is the kids never woke up even after they got punched in the mouth.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Look at the first-year coaches on that list:

Oklahoma -- 4th in bluechip ratio, they have lost 3 games in a row and just lost forty-nine to zero to their biggest rival
LSU -- Multiple losses, one to FSU, one where they got blown out of their own stadium by Tennessee
Notre Dame -- Multiple losses, one at home to Marshall
uf -- Multiple losses, almost lost at home to USF, almost lost to Missouri
Oregon -- Lost by 500 to UGA (no real shame there), but looked pretty decent otherwise (Mario's kids?)


If we're losing to App State at home in Year 5 with the 5th highest blue-chip ratio like A&M, or being blown out of our building multiple times with the 15th highest ratio and a tenured coach like Auburn, it might be time to pull the oh **** cord.

But literally every single first-year coach on this list is struggling. Some mightily, like Venables. LSU looks absolutely awful, and as much as Kelly is a lowlife murderer, he took multiple ND teams to the playoffs and has the 7th most talent, according to this list. He may not be an elite coach, but he's not a completely terrible coach.

Again, I'm not necessarily comparing these teams to ours. And not excusing the losses, especially MTSU. But first-year coaches are struggling here, and on paper they also have a lot of talent.

The bottom line is, it's too early to tell anything long-term, good or bad. We're certainly not off to a great start here, and the last 3 weeks have given me an ulcer, but what has happened so far is NOT INDICITIVE of long-term performance. Period. It is very, very possible to build a good program in the next couple years, even with what has transpired so far. UGA had the #12 class in the country in 2014, the #8 class in 2015, and the #6 class in 2015. Kirby Smart's first year, 2016, they went 8-5. They lost to Vanderbilt, at home. They've gone to a NY6 bowl every year since. Let's give it a year or two before we go berserk.
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Well said. Why you make so much sense on CIS, OBMagic?
 
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jps2344 said:
Then you really have no idea how bad it’s been.
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You’re right in what you’re saying about the effects of the previous staff and the mindsets. I buy it for most everything as I’ve been told the same thing from someone who knows who I trust. I just don’t accept it relating to MTSU. That can’t be allowed to happen. I probably can’t buy it for VT either but I get the rest of it.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
And why have they become "just guys"; ****** coaching/lack of development/horrible schemes etc. Not saying that every blue chip recruit will become an AA, but the fact Miami seems to have way more misses than hits is an indictment of a badly run program. Miami has signed roughly 100 recruits over the last four classes (give or take), so if say 25-30% have been decent/good players and the rest jags, how can you not look to coaching/development (or lack thereof).
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Thats my point lol so how can we know the program has been terrible and the players have been coached and developed porely then turn around and expect instant results lol
 
E1k said:
Whats funny about using this as an argument is if we actually named every “blue chip” prospect they are counting i almost guarantee the board knows more than half of them are just guys lol
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You think every single blue chip on these other teams aren’t just “guys”? We’re the only one with blue chips that haven’t met the hype lmao.
 
E1k said:
Where did i say that lol
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You’re previous post implied that the blue chip comparison was bunk because most of our blue chippers are just “guys”, but it cut both ways which makes the comparison as valid as ever.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Look at the first-year coaches on that list:

Oklahoma -- 4th in bluechip ratio, they have lost 3 games in a row and just lost forty-nine to zero to their biggest rival
LSU -- Multiple losses, one to FSU, one where they got blown out of their own stadium by Tennessee
Notre Dame -- Multiple losses, one at home to Marshall
uf -- Multiple losses, almost lost at home to USF, almost lost to Missouri
Oregon -- Lost by 500 to UGA (no real shame there), but looked pretty decent otherwise (Mario's kids?)


If we're losing to App State at home in Year 5 with the 5th highest blue-chip ratio like A&M, or being blown out of our building multiple times with the 15th highest ratio and a tenured coach like Auburn, it might be time to pull the oh **** cord.

But literally every single first-year coach on this list is struggling. Some mightily, like Venables. LSU looks absolutely awful, and as much as Kelly is a lowlife murderer, he took multiple ND teams to the playoffs and has the 7th most talent, according to this list. He may not be an elite coach, but he's not a completely terrible coach.

Again, I'm not necessarily comparing these teams to ours. And not excusing the losses, especially MTSU. But first-year coaches are struggling here, and on paper they also have a lot of talent.

The bottom line is, it's too early to tell anything long-term, good or bad. We're certainly not off to a great start here, and the last 3 weeks have given me an ulcer, but what has happened so far is NOT INDICITIVE of long-term performance. Period. It is very, very possible to build a good program in the next couple years, even with what has transpired so far. UGA had the #12 class in the country in 2014, the #8 class in 2015, and the #6 class in 2015. Kirby Smart's first year, 2016, they went 8-5. They lost to Vanderbilt, at home. They've gone to a NY6 bowl every year since. Let's give it a year or two before we go berserk.
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BEST BREAKDOWN so far!!!! Hold the Line fellas!!! We can all have gripes. ****, we're all going through weeks in a bad mood because of this team... but stop with the knee jerk reactions.. stop with the end of the world fire everyone nonsense....
 
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305_separatist said:
You’re previous post implied that the blue chip comparison was bunk because most of our blue chippers are just “guys”, but it cut both ways which makes the comparison as valid as ever.
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Every situation isn’t the same im just talking about Miami’s, if we go thru this list of blue chippers would yall still take that **** as an accurate way to measure a roster?
 
E1k said:
Thats my point lol so how can we know the program has been terrible and the players have been coached and developed porely then turn around and expect instant results lol
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and Mario (at least this juncture) is falling right in line with the string of under performing coaches. As stated many times before, no one with any sense was expecting an 11-2/12-0 squad, but getting your **** kicked in against MTSU should never happen, especially under a seasoned coach like MC.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
and Mario (at least this juncture) is falling right in line with the string of under performing coaches. As stated many times before, no one with any sense was expecting an 11-2/12-0 squad, but getting your **** kicked in against MTSU should never happen, especially under a seasoned coach like MC.
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I agree, i cant say he’s in that category yet until i see more but only time will tell
 
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