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[Handsome Squidbum]

Your scenario of Manny winning 10 makes Manny a different coach.

If you look at the original schedule, what games do you think are Ls that were wins in the modified (and I think more challenging) schedule? I think youd really have to do some mental gymnastics to deny that Diaz manages a 10 win season based on that much easier schedule.

 

[305_separatist]

Spot on. With some on here it just depends which way the wind is blowing. While Manny was here, and rightly so, most of the talk was about his misses in recruiting and abysmal player development. Now somehow a new staff is to immediately rectify this issue in a matter of months and have them as a playoff contender. Utterly ridiculous but I somewhat understand the emotion born in frustration, it’s just incorrect. This staff came in with an empty LB, DL, CB, WR, slim OL, and vastly overrated and under manned RB room. Imagine this squad without some of the additions through the portal.

The blue chip argument is a farce. Bama, OSU, and UGA get so many, and more importantly in positions of need, that they are bound to hit and materialize when you get multiple at each position every cycle. Not to mention placing those pieces in obscenely funded programs which are run at a level of efficiency Jeff Bezos would be envious of.

Many of our “blue chips” have been corroded and indoctrinated by a former staff which has severely stunted any maximization of growth on an individual level. Not to mention some of these blue chippers having the physical but lacking the mental makeup to be great.

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[SWFLHurricane]

I dont see a huge difference in the team between Diaz and Mario right now if im being honest

If they were to play today, Manny would be favored by 6 Lisps....

 

[BoxingRobes]

If you look at the original schedule, what games do you think are Ls that were wins in the modified (and I think more challenging) schedule? I think youd really have to do some mental gymnastics to deny that Diaz manages a 10 win season based on that much easier schedule.

I mean...Manny lost to FIU, Duke, and LaTech just the season before.. lost to UNC that year. Considering no one experienced normalcy I don't really like using COVID year to discuss bigger ideas...but if everyone is normal...any of them other than like Wagner or other FCS program could've been an L.

Manny Diaz was a 7-5 coach on average here. So...8-3 in a COVID year is a nice positive regression to the mean after 6 n something the year prior.

In a world where he wins 10...he likely wins more than 7 last year because those kind of results don't happen in a vacuum.

 

[jps2344]

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Then you really have no idea how bad it’s been.

 

[HamburgerSV]

When you coach like that you need a huge talent advantage

 

[moshated305]

Still trying to figure out why it's either the players or the coaches. Everyone with a U on their chest is 2-3. Every player, every coach. They all have to be better. No one is above blame. No one should be sitting there patting themselves on the back. This will take time. 16th ranked blue chip ratio but a lot of underdeveloped talent and it shows on Saturdays. Mario needs time and the players need time.

I will say I have seen enough of Gattis. Get his *** out of my face. My only complaint about this season so far, Mario made a bad OC hire.

 

[Angry Ibis]

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[gabednconfused]

Look at the first-year coaches on that list:

Oklahoma -- 4th in bluechip ratio, they have lost 3 games in a row and just lost forty-nine to zero to their biggest rival
LSU -- Multiple losses, one to FSU, one where they got blown out of their own stadium by Tennessee
Notre Dame -- Multiple losses, one at home to Marshall
uf -- Multiple losses, almost lost at home to USF, almost lost to Missouri
Oregon -- Lost by 500 to UGA (no real shame there), but looked pretty decent otherwise (Mario's kids?)


If we're losing to App State at home in Year 5 with the 5th highest blue-chip ratio like A&M, or being blown out of our building multiple times with the 15th highest ratio and a tenured coach like Auburn, it might be time to pull the oh **** cord.

But literally every single first-year coach on this list is struggling. Some mightily, like Venables. LSU looks absolutely awful, and as much as Kelly is a lowlife murderer, he took multiple ND teams to the playoffs and has the 7th most talent, according to this list. He may not be an elite coach, but he's not a completely terrible coach.

Again, I'm not necessarily comparing these teams to ours. And not excusing the losses, especially MTSU. But first-year coaches are struggling here, and on paper they also have a lot of talent.

The bottom line is, it's too early to tell anything long-term, good or bad. We're certainly not off to a great start here, and the last 3 weeks have given me an ulcer, but what has happened so far is NOT INDICITIVE of long-term performance. Period. It is very, very possible to build a good program in the next couple years, even with what has transpired so far. UGA had the #12 class in the country in 2014, the #8 class in 2015, and the #6 class in 2015. Kirby Smart's first year, 2016, they went 8-5. They lost to Vanderbilt, at home. They've gone to a NY6 bowl every year since. Let's give it a year or two before we go berserk.

Well we can close the thread now.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Then you really have no idea how bad it’s been.

I literally haven’t seen miami And playoff mentioned in the same breath once on here. Everyone assumed losses to Clemson and the aggies

 

[ddann]

I literally haven’t seen miami And playoff mentioned in the same breath once on here. Everyone assumed losses to Clemson and the aggies

15-0

 

[gogeta4]

I was fine with Lane even thought he wasn’t my top choice. Him in SFLA scared me some after everything I heard lol.

He was already in Boca. We coulda been superstars.

Ole Miss scored 21 pts on 3 consecutive plays this week smh lol

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Stupid post.

Talent doesn't mean **** if they've had 5 months of proper coaching. James Williams is a 5-star talent that plays like he's still in high school and thinks just leveling someone with his shoulder will be enough to tackle. Leonard Taylor is a 5-star talent that still makes the same mistakes he made as a freshman with crap coaching.

Stop looking at stars and look at the actual players. Saban would go 8-4 with this team.

Some of you have no life, it's the same ten posters every. single. time.

swap Saban and his Bama staff with MC and his staff and UM is a 10-11 win team. He's not winning the NC, but Saban is a far superior coach to Cristobal and even with this roster is at least 2-3 games better than Cristobal record wise. You guys keep running face first into the point the OP was making in regards to talent but keep missing the point. It's coaching, coaching, coaching.

 

[RedPill Stepdad]

Texas A&M is a perfect example to back his argument. Team full of highly rated, blue chip recruits, even signing (on paper at least) the highest ranked recruiting class ever. Despite this there's a reason they're known as the 8-4 squad. COACHING!

and that’s exactly the blueprint Mario is following. highly rated, blue chip recruits that don’t perform like blue chip recruits because they’re in a 2004 offensive scheme.

 

[E1k]

Whats funny about using this as an argument is if we actually named every “blue chip” prospect they are counting i almost guarantee the board knows more than half of them are just guys lol

 

[mcnaire2004]

The coach is the problem. I don't mind a run heavy offense. I just mind it when the team isn't built for that.

 

[Rellyrell]

YAAAAAWWWWWWN! It’s Grounds Hog Day.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Whats funny about using this as an argument is if we actually named every “blue chip” prospect they are counting i almost guarantee the board knows more than half of them are just guys lol

And why have they become "just guys"; ****** coaching/lack of development/horrible schemes etc. Not saying that every blue chip recruit will become an AA, but the fact Miami seems to have way more misses than hits is an indictment of a badly run program. Miami has signed roughly 100 recruits over the last four classes (give or take), so if say 25-30% have been decent/good players and the rest jags, how can you not look to coaching/development (or lack thereof).

 

[dlow_cane]

In before someone goes "He's not gonna win a natty in year 1" bro.

Honestly, we/me didn't expect a championship year one. Just improvement from 7-5. Specially from this all star coaching staff. The MTSU game was an abomination that set us back 1-2 years. Which he realized **** I'm in trouble.. I'm not in OREGON anymore!! Where I was just getting any 5 stars Kids from the West Coast at will because other schools were struggling as well. Mario(Wario) how ever you want to call him has failed us year 1. But, we still have at least another 6-7 years to find out who he is (unfortunately) but 20 years and counting has been a Canes football undeserving mission. But, there's hope that he can turn it around which he has in other coaching stops.

 

[gacaneaddict]

An STILL woulda lost to Oregon State and USC or Utah.
Like clockwork...

Loses to a team habve no business too...and if talent is close with 1 or 2 you can chuck that up as a lost.

The pac 12 from a talent perspective is the worst power 5 ocnference i dont care how much yall sh*t on the acc.

ehhh maybe. I mean most Head Coaches have head scratching losses from time to time. Mario was still pretty early in his coaching tenure at Oregon. His first big time HC gig. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count head scratching losses by more superior talented teams like Smart in his first 4 years at UGA (Vandy, GT, South Carolina), or even Dabo losing to Pittsburgh and Syracuse.

I was all on Lane Train too, I love high powered offense, I just think Mario took over a a very mediocre not talented porgam, and turned them into a talented team that won conference titles, and walked into Columbus and ran it down Ryan Days throat and asked him how he liked it.

I think Mario can absolutely build a 10-12 game winner here at Miami, and the question will he can he do enough to win the ultimate prize?

I'm a big talent aquisition guy.

I also know Mario is not On the same level as those guys as a Hc.

He isnt Saban, Smart, Dabo, Riley, so I know how to handle expectations.