Managing the salary cap

[01Canes]

I listed some of the all time greats I wouldn’t put Kupp up there with those guys

That's fair, but this is the context of what you said:

Elite receivers don’t win Super Bowls..the rams of last year had the best dline..

Kupp, as a member of the Rams last year, became the first WR since 2005 to win the triple crown of leading the NFL in receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns.

Kupp was both the Super Bowl MVP and Offensive Player of the Year. In a single season, it doesn't get any more elite than that for a WR on a Super Bowl-winning team. And if the Bengals had won, Ja'Marr Chase certainly would've fit the description as an elite receiver, too.

Elite receivers provide immeasurable value in today's game as further evidenced by the fact that the WR market has gone absolutely berzerk this offseason.

 

[cway313]

You’re a great poster and you always speak facts. The reality is you better have an elite QB and an elite DL if you want to beat these Alabama super teams. That’s what Clemson had when they beat them.

But even in the playoff era, we’ve seen backup QBs at Ohio State and Georgia win it all. It’s rare but it happens. I’ve NEVER seen a team without war daddies win it.

And a team like Oklahoma- which has elite QBs, RBs, WRs and OL- will always be considered a fraud because they lack the studs up front. It’s table stakes to win a title. That’s why it draws the biggest bags.

Oklahoma biggest issue has been secondary. They get torched year round even after recruiting fairly well.

 

[skyman]

That's fair, but this is the context of what you said:



Kupp, as a member of the Rams last year, became the first WR since 2005 to win the triple crown of leading the NFL in receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns.

Kupp was both the Super Bowl MVP and Offensive Player of the Year. In a single season, it doesn't get any more elite than that for a WR on a Super Bowl-winning team. And if the Bengals had won, Ja'Marr Chase certainly would've fit the description as an elite receiver, too.

Elite receivers provide immeasurable value in today's game as further evidenced by the fact that the WR market has gone absolutely berzerk this offseason.

And Odell was on pace to win Super bowl mvp before injury during the game and Robert Woods before was a great 1-2 punch

 

[JgDaCane]

except money is unlimited

 

[joseermonfils]

That's fair, but this is the context of what you said:



Kupp, as a member of the Rams last year, became the first WR since 2005 to win the triple crown of leading the NFL in receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns.

Kupp was both the Super Bowl MVP and Offensive Player of the Year. In a single season, it doesn't get any more elite than that for a WR on a Super Bowl-winning team. And if the Bengals had won, Ja'Marr Chase certainly would've fit the description as an elite receiver, too.

Elite receivers provide immeasurable value in today's game as further evidenced by the fact that the WR market has gone absolutely berzerk this offseason.

Yeah I guess you can say he’s elite but my point is far more great receivers have never won..yes there’s a few of course but my point is its there’s way more all time great Qbs or even Dline who have won superbowls

 

[Ziggy]

This is a fascinating conversation. You have to have elite trenches and good or better QB play. That's where the dollars should go. What's left should probably get split to secondary and WRs. Positions you can get away with being cheap at LB, RB, and specialist. This isn't perfect but it's the way the game is going.

 

[Memnon]

FIFY

Not necessarily...

Back in the BCS era, you really didn’t need a great QB to win a Natty.

Bama won titles with dudes like Greg McElroy, AJ Macarron & Jacob Coker. In 2011, when LSU won the SEC & went to the Natty under Les Miles, they had Jarrett Lee & Jordan Jefferson as their QB’s, they literally didn’t have a QB that threw more than 1,400yds or more than 15TD’s. Even the 08 UF team, Teblow only threw for 2,746yds & 30TD’s.

But during the BCS era, having an elite offense or a great QB was pretty much inconsequential. Sure it helped to have one, but it wasn’t necessary. In today’s game, it’s extremely difficult to go too far without one, at best, you maybe can have a double digit win season, but if you have conference contending/CFP/National title aspirations you’re not achieving those without a good QB/good offense.

Unless you’re an outlier like UGA with more than 40+ 5-star players on your roster, which there’s literally only one other team in the nation that has that amount of talent, which is Bama. Even TAMU with their recent #1 class for 2022 doesn’t have that much talent in comparisons to UGA & Bama, same with Oh ST.

 

[Hufftwoseven]

So we need elite DL. Where are we with DL in 2023? Mario did well closing 22’ so I’m hoping we can cash in on a 5 star and some high 4 stars. Need a big time edge

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Agreed, especially with a QB talent like TVD. It may sound like hyperbole, but given who we have at QB, I think a WR like Addison would be the difference between a 9 win season and the playoffs next season.

That's very very possible and for that reason I we expect the staff to push it to the limit with Addison. Add him and oh boy......

 

[Odysseus]

𝐷𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝𝑠 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑄𝐵𝑠 𝑝𝑢𝑡 𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑤𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑜𝑡ℎ, 𝐷𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑔𝑒𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑢𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑖𝑔 𝑔𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑠 & 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑄𝐵 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑖𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑢𝑠. 𝐸𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛.

 

[aelmiami]

It rotates. The market flows with the big names. This was an unusually high turnover year for wide receivers. Next year if someone like Myles Garrett or Aaron Donald get 30 plus then that’ll reset the DL market and they jump WR.

QB, WR, OL, Pass Rusher and DB get paid period.

Definitely. I think the game has changed so much that top shelf WR play is imperative. Look what Diggs did for Josh Allen’s development. As a Vikings fan I’ve started preparing myself for the contract Jefferson is going to get in a year or two.

 

[kryptonite]

Im surprised no one has mentioned RB. I know our current team needs WR, but a heisman level RB does a lot more than a NFL level WR.

You’re getting negged here, but I agree. Yes, a great receiver makes a big impact, but I think RB is being underrated here. Even teams that don’t run that much still run a lot, and you’ve got like 2x as many WR so there’s more chance of getting a couple really good ones. Running plays tend to be lower risk for turnovers as well, so the ability to run can be huge.

On a side note, I think it’s nuts to value WR over QB, and I usually think QB is overrated. QBs bust way too often to dump all your money on them, but a great QB can work with a arrange WRs, but a great WR can only do so much if his QB can’t make the throws or keeps turning it over.

 

[kryptonite]

Agreed, especially with a QB talent like TVD. It may sound like hyperbole, but given who we have at QB, I think a WR like Addison would be the difference between a 9 win season and the playoffs next season.

But the QB can more easily produce with average WRs than a great WR can elevate an average QB. Not to mention, that QB is only helped when he throws to that one WR. QB has his hands on the ball too much to not be considered more important that a single WR.

 

[calinative umstudent]

If Say We were trying to spend $20M/yr, I'd say it'd look something like:

Position	Yearly Scholarship Players	% Total Salary by Position	Total $ by Position	$ Per Player by Position
QB	3.5	20%	$4M	$1.14M
RB	4.5	3.3%	$660K	$150K
WR	11.5	15%	$3M	$260K
TE	4.5	2%	$400K	$90K
OT	7	8.5%	$1.7M	$240K
iOL	10	4%	$800K	$80K
OFFENSE	41	52.8%	$10.56M	$260K

Position	Yearly Scholarship Players	% Total Salary by Position	Total $ by Position	$ Per Player by Position
EDGE	8	15%	$3M	$380K
DL	9	10%	$2M	$220K
LB	8	4.5%	$900K	$110K
CB	10	11%	$2.2M	$220K
S	7	6.5%	$1.3M	$190K
ST	2	0.2%	$40K	$20K
DEFENSE & ST	44	47.2%	$9.44M	$215K

But maybe after looking at it College RBs are much more impactful than NFL RBs, so they should probably get a little more than I listed, while LBs and Safeties get less...

 

[E1k]

Great convo, i cant say either of you are wrong, both make great points. @Liberty City El @DMoney

 

[PUNCICANE]

This also =‘s A&M is going to be a pain in the balls for the next couple years. They played with a larger salary cap than anyone last year and allocated almost all of it to DL

 

[88]

I was told he had endless funds and that we shouldn’t care

 

[grover]

If Say We were trying to spend $20M/yr, I'd say it'd look something like:

Position	Yearly Scholarship Players	% Total Salary by Position	Total $ by Position	$ Per Player by Position
QB	3.5	20%	$4M	$1.14M
RB	4.5	3.3%	$660K	$150K
WR	11.5	15%	$3M	$260K
TE	4.5	2%	$400K	$90K
OT	7	8.5%	$1.7M	$240K
iOL	10	4%	$800K	$80K
OFFENSE	41	52.8%	$10.56M	$260K

Position	Yearly Scholarship Players	% Total Salary by Position	Total $ by Position	$ Per Player by Position
EDGE	8	15%	$3M	$380K
DL	9	10%	$2M	$220K
LB	8	4.5%	$900K	$110K
CB	10	11%	$2.2M	$220K
S	7	6.5%	$1.3M	$190K
ST	2	0.2%	$40K	$20K
DEFENSE & ST	44	47.2%	$9.44M	$215K

But maybe after looking at it College RBs are much more impactful than NFL RBs, so they should probably get a little more than I listed, while LBs and Safeties get less...

Now we're getting to the puts and takes, which is all that matters. ... I'd personally put more money into the DTs and IOLs, less on the QB. A good kicker and punter have to be worth more than 20k, too.

 

[GOCANES05]

Salary cap in college sports , doesn’t that sound weird, soon arbitration then a strike or am I to late?

GOCANES

 

[Bender]

People rank a position over QB? Over the past years, we had Hurts, Tua, Mac Jones, Deshaun Watson and Joe Burrow win national titles and people rank DL over that?