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Chris Simms on Applewhite

It was weird,” said Simms. “He didn’t treat me very good the first few years I was there. I had a hart time getting over that. When I became the man, I was the leader of the team, he tried to make up at the end, but I couldn’t get out of the first year or two when he kind of treated me like crap. Everybody on the team was telling me things he was saying behind my back. What made it worse is that Mack Brown made us room together on road games. He was trying to prove to the media that we were still friends. That’s where my experience at Texas was miserable. It divided the fan base too.”

This, the Ed Oliver nonsense (Applewhite was 1000% wrong), and other stories shows me Applesauce is a Grade A douche. That's the kind of thing that poisons recruiting. No thanks.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
Chris Simms on Applewhite

It was weird,” said Simms. “He didn’t treat me very good the first few years I was there. I had a hart time getting over that. When I became the man, I was the leader of the team, he tried to make up at the end, but I couldn’t get out of the first year or two when he kind of treated me like crap. Everybody on the team was telling me things he was saying behind my back. What made it worse is that Mack Brown made us room together on road games. He was trying to prove to the media that we were still friends. That’s where my experience at Texas was miserable. It divided the fan base too.”

This, the Ed Oliver nonsense (Applewhite was 1000% wrong), and other stories shows me Applesauce is a Grade A douche. That's the kind of thing that poisons recruiting. No thanks.
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This kind of stuff I agree with you. Not sure how this is being overlooked in the hire.
 
RemainMack said:
This kind of stuff I agree with you. Not sure how this is being overlooked in the hire.
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It is probably being overlooked because one of those things happened over 20 years ago when he was in college and nobody cares about it unless you're against the hire in the first place.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Chris Simms on Applewhite

It was weird,” said Simms. “He didn’t treat me very good the first few years I was there. I had a hart time getting over that. When I became the man, I was the leader of the team, he tried to make up at the end, but I couldn’t get out of the first year or two when he kind of treated me like crap. Everybody on the team was telling me things he was saying behind my back. What made it worse is that Mack Brown made us room together on road games. He was trying to prove to the media that we were still friends. That’s where my experience at Texas was miserable. It divided the fan base too.”

This, the Ed Oliver nonsense (Applewhite was 1000% wrong), and other stories shows me Applesauce is a Grade A douche. That's the kind of thing that poisons recruiting. No thanks.
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Applewhite was a much better college player than Simms. He should have never been benched.
 
WhatTheHell said:
Yes.

That offensive coordinator has put up huge numbers at Baylor, FAU, Houston and has now been hired by FSU.

Again, for the role we are hiring Assh0lewipe in, he has fielded ONE TOP 25 OFFENSE IN 7 TRIES.
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That's the concern. The only time Applewhite put up good numbers was when he had another top offensive mind as either HC (Herman) or OC (Briles).

2007-Alabama OC -- Saban fired him
2008-2010-Texas position coach only
2011-2013-Texas Co-OC -- Mediocre to bad results. Entire staff fired.
2014-out of football
2015-2016-Houston OC. Strong offensive results (10th & 26th ppg) with Greg Ward Jr (poor man's Kyler Murray) at QB. Was the success attributable to Herman or Applewhite?
2017-Houston HC (without Kendall Briles) -- Poor offensive results. 65th ranked ppg offense.
2018-Houston HC (with Kendall Briles) -- Great results. 5th ranked offense by ppg

Concerns:
-What is there in the above resume that screams out "This is a great OC"? Absent the times he coached with either Herman or Briles, Applewhite's offenses have been no better than Richt's offenses at UM.
-Can he recruit the QB position? Has he ever pulled really good QB prospects? Why would a top QB prospect want to play for him?
-Leadership. There have been reports that he's a somewhat reserved personality and never particularly created a strong bond with players on any of the teams he coached, nor is he noted for getting the most out of the squads he's coached.

Reasons for hope:
-His failures as an OC came early in his career. As has been noted by many other posters, by coaching with Herman and Briles he's certainly been exposed to some of the most innovative offensive football ideas in the game today. By being exposed to Kendall Briles, is Applewhite now able to perform like Briles? Hopefully, yes.
-Good guy. While as noted above he's not the most extroverted leader, he is generally regarded as a good guy and solid team guy. I wouldn't be concerned about any potential friction on the staff that would percolate down to the team (something I do have slight concerns about with Fedora).

My conclusion:
-There is too large a question as Applewhite's ability to turn out a good offense without Herman or Briles alongside him, than I'm comfortable with personally. This is THE single most important hire to get right. A perpetuation of our offensive malaise will kill Manny's hopes to turn around the program. I wouldn't choose Applewhite, although I've cited reasons why it might work out well. On balance, if he's the guy I'll be disappointed but hope for the best.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Chris Simms on Applewhite

It was weird,” said Simms. “He didn’t treat me very good the first few years I was there. I had a hart time getting over that. When I became the man, I was the leader of the team, he tried to make up at the end, but I couldn’t get out of the first year or two when he kind of treated me like crap. Everybody on the team was telling me things he was saying behind my back. What made it worse is that Mack Brown made us room together on road games. He was trying to prove to the media that we were still friends. That’s where my experience at Texas was miserable. It divided the fan base too.”

This, the Ed Oliver nonsense (Applewhite was 1000% wrong), and other stories shows me Applesauce is a Grade A douche. That's the kind of thing that poisons recruiting. No thanks.
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The rest of that article...
Simms does believe that Applewhite will do well with the Cougars. Simms noted that Applewhite has been on Nick Saban’s staff at Alabama and served under Tom Herman at Houston.

“Tom Herman is a true, hard-nosed Xs-and-Os football coach,” Simms said. “You don’t get on Urban Meyer’s coaching staff unless you’re that type of guy. So I think Major’s a pretty smart football mind. He knows how college football works and all the intricacies of it, and I do think he’ll be successful there at Houston.”
 
Was Sark the third?
Would have preferred him the 2nd.
But hindsight is 50/50. I'm looking at it like this: Fedora wants the Owls job, more power to him. If he fails in Philly.... that city is ruthless, thought we were bad. 😂
But if we get Applebees (I'm stealing that, 💀 asf, boul), look at it like this: Slick Willie hired Briles, Manny hires Briles' old boss. 🤷‍♂️
 
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TimeB0mb said:
Chris Simms on Applewhite

It was weird,” said Simms. “He didn’t treat me very good the first few years I was there. I had a hart time getting over that. When I became the man, I was the leader of the team, he tried to make up at the end, but I couldn’t get out of the first year or two when he kind of treated me like crap. Everybody on the team was telling me things he was saying behind my back. What made it worse is that Mack Brown made us room together on road games. He was trying to prove to the media that we were still friends. That’s where my experience at Texas was miserable. It divided the fan base too.”

This, the Ed Oliver nonsense (Applewhite was 1000% wrong), and other stories shows me Applesauce is a Grade A douche. That's the kind of thing that poisons recruiting. No thanks.
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He was probably mad Simms sucked and he kept coming in and saving Texas . Then they’d just give Simms the job back because he was highly rated. He also had a daddy that’s a national tv personality you saw how Phil showed his *** when his other son got benched?

I mean it was literally every week , me and my friends were like how is Simms keeping the job? Total politics , and a Texas fan will tell you that.
 
Cribby said:
He was probably mad Simms sucked and he kept coming in and saving Texas . Then they’d just give Simms the job back because he was highly rated. He also had a daddy that’s a national tv personality you saw how Phil showed his *** when his other son got benched?

I mean it was literally every week , me and my friends were like how is Simms keeping the job? Total politics , and a Texas fan will tell you that.
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pretty much how brady was treated at michigan with henson.
 
Wanted Fedora but not mad at Applewhite at all. Dude knows offense be the best O coordinator we had in some time. He will use our athletes to create mismatches and make a defense defend in space.
 
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OBLIVION said:
Proved over and over.
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I was actually a student at UT at the time, and seeing it first hand, it was sort of like replacing Ken Dorsey with Kyle Wright. Major was a winner and a great college QB, but lacked the big time arm and measurables that Simms had, while Chris Sims had all of the measurables but was a punk and read defenses like Kyle Wright. People were excited for Simms because he was so highly rated, but once he started getting PT, it was clear that Major was the better QB. Simms was never the fan favorite like Major, which I think was also part of the reason Simms didn't like Major.
 
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