Jacory or Kaaya

[kryptonite]

Are you guys serious ?? Jacory was a liability every time he dropped back to pass... Threw more picks than any qb I've ever seen... And he only beat FSU because they dropped the game winning TD ... It's not Kaayas fault our oline can't block well enough to make a PAT

I've had this debate a few times on here. According to some, no loss was ever because of Kaaya. The list goes from Duke Johnson, to the O-line, the D-line, the coaching, etc.

No, it was pretty much always the D.

 

[Cat5]

Come on guys... good points, but all excuses. Subtract all the ****, it still comes down to the player.

Yes?/ No?

Bridgewater proved he could do it.

 

[Coach Macho]

I'm actually one of the rare beings that thinks Jacory's career was ruined by coaching. I think he could've done well had he been in a spread offense.

However, let's keep it real. Jacory orchestrated a few nice comebacks but HE WAS OFTEN THE REASON WE HAD TO COMEBACK TO BEGIN WITH. He was an INT machine.

Do you guys not remember how bad we were on offense during those years? Our defense was actually pretty good. Our offense was the main thing holding us back. Kaaya, on the other hand, has had to play beside some of the worst defenses in Miami history. Golden also didn't do Kaaya any favors when he decided to sign multiple WR's and RB's who run 4.7's. Our skill positions were mediocre under Golden. At least Jacory got the benefit of distributing the ball to a few NFL starters during his career.

Our skill positions were pretty much the same for Kaaya and Jacory. Kaaya has had Duke, Walton and Yearby, and he's had Dorsett, Coley, Njoku, and Richards. Those aren't NFL guys? I mean you're comparing them to who, Benjamin, Hankerson and Streeter? Lamar Miller played great in 2011, but that doesn't change the whole argument.

Benjamin = NFL starter and one of the league's fastest players
Miller = NFL starter, 1000 yard rusher, fastest RB in the league (4.40 forty)
Hankerson = NFL starter

Duke = NFL role player
Walton = Underclassmen in college
Njoku = early NFL pick
Dorsett = NFL role player


Didn't Mike James play with Jacory too? That's another NFL back. Kaaya played with some talented kids I guess, but after those top guys you mentioned there was a significant drop off.

Maybe my point about the offensive Talent is a little far-fetched but the truth Still Remains that he played beside a good defenses unlike Kaaya.

 

[Canedude08]

I would take Kaaya, just because despite his obvious shortcomings, he wasn't the turnover machine J-12 was. Jacory had an overinflated sense of his own arm strength and would try to make throws into windows that weren't even close to being open for him. Brad wasn't the athlete Jacory was, but with this defense, a guy who isn't likely to throw the ball to the other team is important. That said, this is all mental *********ion.

 

[jjacks93]

I'm actually one of the rare beings that thinks Jacory's career was ruined by coaching. I think he could've done well had he been in a spread offense.

However, let's keep it real. Jacory orchestrated a few nice comebacks but HE WAS OFTEN THE REASON WE HAD TO COMEBACK TO BEGIN WITH. He was an INT machine.

Do you guys not remember how bad we were on offense during those years? Our defense was actually pretty good. Our offense was the main thing holding us back. Kaaya, on the other hand, has had to play beside some of the worst defenses in Miami history. Golden also didn't do Kaaya any favors when he decided to sign multiple WR's and RB's who run 4.7's. Our skill positions were mediocre under Golden. At least Jacory got the benefit of distributing the ball to a few NFL starters during his career.

Our skill positions were pretty much the same for Kaaya and Jacory. Kaaya has had Duke, Walton and Yearby, and he's had Dorsett, Coley, Njoku, and Richards. Those aren't NFL guys? I mean you're comparing them to who, Benjamin, Hankerson and Streeter? Lamar Miller played great in 2011, but that doesn't change the whole argument.

Benjamin = NFL starter and one of the league's fastest players
Miller = NFL starter, 1000 yard rusher, fastest RB in the league (4.40 forty)
Hankerson = NFL starter

Duke = NFL role player
Walton = Underclassmen in college
Njoku = early NFL pick
Dorsett = NFL role player


Didn't Mike James play with Jacory too? That's another NFL back. Kaaya played with some talented kids I guess, but after those top guys you mentioned there was a significant drop off.

Maybe my point about the offensive Talent is a little far-fetched but the truth Still Remains that he played beside a good defenses unlike Kaaya.

I actually think Kaaya has had more offensive talent.

Duke was a better RB and overall college player than Miller. Yearby was a better college RB than Mike James. Dorsett and Benjamin to me is a toss up. I would take Njoku over Hankerson any day. Richards Coley and even Herb Waters are all better receivers than anyone Jacory had to throw to.

 

[Bicho]

This isn't even close. Brad.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Benjamin = NFL starter and one of the league's fastest players
Miller = NFL starter, 1000 yard rusher, fastest RB in the league (4.40 forty)
Hankerson = NFL starter

Duke = NFL role player
Walton = Underclassmen in college
Njoku = early NFL pick
Dorsett = NFL role player


Didn't Mike James play with Jacory too? That's another NFL back. Kaaya played with some talented kids I guess, but after those top guys you mentioned there was a significant drop off.

Maybe my point about the offensive Talent is a little far-fetched but the truth Still Remains that he played beside a good defenses unlike Kaaya.

Well that's one way to spin what each of those players are. I think you could throw them all in a bag and you could pick any one of them out and they'd be about the same. Fact is, we don't know what the guys on the team now will do in the NFL but it would be fair to say that the talent was roughly the same.

The defensive players were about the same too, but the coaching was very different. Jacory's defense always had Spence, which goes a long way and Kaaya didn't have a great MLB until this year. We're really nitpicking though, the teams were roughly the same.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

 

[Waffle Honcho]

I would take Kaaya, just because despite his obvious shortcomings, he wasn't the turnover machine J-12 was. Jacory had an overinflated sense of his own arm strength and would try to make throws into windows that weren't even close to being open for him. Brad wasn't the athlete Jacory was, but with this defense, a guy who isn't likely to throw the ball to the other team is important. That said, this is all mental *********ion.

With what defense, the one Kaaya had last year and still maxed out at 9 wins?

 

[KevinCaneFace]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

He obviously didn't have more big plays. Kaaya threw more touchdowns in less years. There's a big difference in a 3 and out and keeping field position and throwing a pick and putting your team in a bad situation. Jacory threw 23 more interceptions. You're chances of winning decrease dramatically when your QB is throwing multiple interceptions every game

 

[Waffle Honcho]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

He obviously didn't have more big plays. Kaaya threw more touchdowns in less years. There's a big difference in a 3 and out and keeping field position and throwing a pick and putting your team in a bad situation. Jacory threw 23 more interceptions. You're chances of winning decrease dramatically when your QB is throwing multiple interceptions every game

Kaaya threw LESS TD's with MORE passing attempts. Check your facts son.

 

[cane since birth]

Kirby freeman

 

[KevinCaneFace]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

He obviously didn't have more big plays. Kaaya threw more touchdowns in less years. There's a big difference in a 3 and out and keeping field position and throwing a pick and putting your team in a bad situation. Jacory threw 23 more interceptions. You're chances of winning decrease dramatically when your QB is throwing multiple interceptions every game

Kaaya threw LESS TD's with MORE passing attempts. Check your facts son.

You're right. One less TD with one less season played. Jacory throwing less passes shows that he had a running game that Kaaya didn't have. So he shouldn't have thrown near as many picks.

69/24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>70/48
It's not even close and arguing that point reveals the moron beneath.

 

[88]

Jacory would have broke the single season interception record with this o line

 

[Waffle Honcho]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

He obviously didn't have more big plays. Kaaya threw more touchdowns in less years. There's a big difference in a 3 and out and keeping field position and throwing a pick and putting your team in a bad situation. Jacory threw 23 more interceptions. You're chances of winning decrease dramatically when your QB is throwing multiple interceptions every game

Kaaya threw LESS TD's with MORE passing attempts. Check your facts son.

You're right. One less TD with one less season played. Jacory throwing less passes shows that he had a running game that Kaaya didn't have. So he shouldn't have thrown near as many picks.

69/24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>70/48
It's not even close and arguing that point reveals the moron beneath.

I never argued that Kaaya threw more TD passes, I said Harris had more big plays. It's not my fault that you just talk out of your ***. This argument is pointless because I have to assume everything you're saying is factually incorrect at this point and I don't enter into debates with people like that, it's too much work.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

He obviously didn't have more big plays. Kaaya threw more touchdowns in less years. There's a big difference in a 3 and out and keeping field position and throwing a pick and putting your team in a bad situation. Jacory threw 23 more interceptions. You're chances of winning decrease dramatically when your QB is throwing multiple interceptions every game

Kaaya threw LESS TD's with MORE passing attempts. Check your facts son.

You're right. One less TD with one less season played. Jacory throwing less passes shows that he had a running game that Kaaya didn't have. So he shouldn't have thrown near as many picks.

69/24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>70/48
It's not even close and arguing that point reveals the moron beneath.

I never argued that Kaaya threw more TD passes, I said Harris had more big plays. It's not my fault that you just talk out of your ***. This argument is pointless because I have to assume everything you're saying is factually incorrect at this point and I don't enter into debates with people like that, it's too much work.

I brought up touchdowns because that's what I consider a "big play". I'd love to see how your coming up with the idea that Jacory had more big plays seeing that his yards per attempt is less than Kaaya's and he only has one more touchdown with an additional season. But sure, you're "factually correct" because your assumptions mean more than numbers.

 

[hoops156]

Jacory was trash. Always expected at least 2 picks a game from him just launching deep balls.

that was the offense he was placed in (whipples Big Ben offense). he would have been better in a dink and dunk spread offense

 

[hoops156]

All the crap Kaaya gets but there's not many games you can point to him as the sole reason we lost. Jacory has plenty of those games. Like the 5 interceptions vs Ohio State, 4 interceptions vs BC, 3 interceptions in one quarter vs Notre Dame, etc, etc

Kaaya's offenses were 95th, 105th, and 99th in the 3rd down conversion rate during his time here. At what point would you start trading INT's in exchange for big plays or 3rd down conversions or beating ranked opponents?

He obviously didn't have more big plays. Kaaya threw more touchdowns in less years. There's a big difference in a 3 and out and keeping field position and throwing a pick and putting your team in a bad situation. Jacory threw 23 more interceptions. You're chances of winning decrease dramatically when your QB is throwing multiple interceptions every game

what about sacking yourself constantly or not being able to avoid a rush? does that limit your chances of winning?

 

[Coach Macho]

Benjamin = NFL starter and one of the league's fastest players
Miller = NFL starter, 1000 yard rusher, fastest RB in the league (4.40 forty)
Hankerson = NFL starter

Duke = NFL role player
Walton = Underclassmen in college
Njoku = early NFL pick
Dorsett = NFL role player


Didn't Mike James play with Jacory too? That's another NFL back. Kaaya played with some talented kids I guess, but after those top guys you mentioned there was a significant drop off.

Maybe my point about the offensive Talent is a little far-fetched but the truth Still Remains that he played beside a good defenses unlike Kaaya.

Well that's one way to spin what each of those players are. I think you could throw them all in a bag and you could pick any one of them out and they'd be about the same. Fact is, we don't know what the guys on the team now will do in the NFL but it would be fair to say that the talent was roughly the same.

The defensive players were about the same too, but the coaching was very different. Jacory's defense always had Spence, which goes a long way and Kaaya didn't have a great MLB until this year. We're really nitpicking though, the teams were roughly the same.

In terms of what, talent? Cause they weren't the same on the field. Jacory's Canes team would beat the **** out of 3/4 of Kaaya's teams. (and maybe squeek out a win against last season's team too)

We were much better on defense and special teams when Jacory was here. We were among tops in the nation in sacks, TFL's, pass defense, etc...and we were explosive on special teams.

Jacory definitely had more help than Kaaya throughout his career.