Is this tweet from Manny a sign that the culture is finally changing?

[Calvin]

So it's Al Goldens fault why Richt failed, got it.

If you call what coach richt did in 3 years here a failure,it would've been interesting to see what you would've called jimmy johnson when we blew the 31-0 halftime lead in 84, or what you would've called butch davis in year 3 of his tenure. Again, there is no hope for you when it comes to UM football, so carry-on!

 

[cryptocane]

we are great in the pre season hype videos--and then eat **** when its time to really play

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

we are great in the pre season hype videos--and then eat **** when its time to really play

Everybody’s good in the pre-season hype videos. It’s a hype arms race. Everybody does it. Some better than others.

 

[deleted19096]

If you call what coach richt did in 3 years here a failure,it would've been interesting to see what you would've called jimmy johnson when we blew the 31-0 halftime lead in 84, or what you would've called butch davis in year 3 of his tenure. Again, there is no hope for you when it comes to UM football, so carry-on!

Nice straws you grasping bud.

But yes, I do call it a failure since his tenure underachieved by not winning a conference championship and then going 7-6.

But you know what Jimmy and Butch did, they didn't quit when the going got tough.

 

[PredaCane]

I hope the majority of our fan base is less flighty and prone to sudden emotional breakdowns than most of the feeble-minded simps who clog the CIS drain like a painkiller constipation ****.

What this program needs right now is a chance to breathe like a nice bottle of grape. Don’t panic if we’re not up 31-0 after the first quarter of game 1. And don’t set everyone up for failure by clamoring about a NC if we win game one.

Instead, sit back, and watch for overall trends. Don’t be a sissy who panics at the first sign of adversity or starts making wedding plans at the first sign of prosperity.

You guys prone to looking for validation for being first on a message board should get all your sissified predictions on record now for the sake of preserving them and declaring yourself heroes if Manny fails. That way the rest of us can try to enjoy the beginning of this ride without having to be reminded every 5 minutes how you were the first to bytch about us hiring Manny or how Penos was an obvious failure based on his time at Central Michigan.

Manny is going to need a little time. I’m not talking the idiotic Dawn Ballbag JR ten year plan. But he will require some time just like every other coach who has taken over a struggling marquee program. He might prove, even with some time, that time wasn’t enough. But if the dopey fans immediately turn on him trying to prove how astute they are, then the program will NEVER get right. Nothing will destroy our chances to turn this program around faster than the fanbase going toxic. If that happens, recruiting will tank, and it’ll be a rap on the Diaz era before it had a chance.

I point you to Dabo, who I equate to Manny as a “have fun playing football but outwork everyone in the process” HC. Had social media been squealing like the buttfcked pig it is today back when Dabo was struggling early, they definitely would have fired him. And they never would have had the chance to enjoy the program they have today.

Best post I've read this year. Spot on.

 

[PredaCane]

Dabo was under .500 in his third season, went 6-7. It took him four years to get to double digit wins, 10 wins, and then at the end of this fourth season, got completely humiliated and embarrassed in a New Year’s bowl by getting *** raped for 70 points in an epic and soul crushing loss.

Dabo and Clemson were the joke of the college football world, in fact they were a complete joke even for people that were not football fans. They were thoroughly and completely clowned for years after that loss.

There was so much ineptness perceived around the program, that a phrase was even invented and used nationwide: “Clemsoning”...they were literally the joke of the sporting world.

What do you think would have happened if that was Miami? He probably would not have made it to the fourth season, and that 70 point humiliating beat down in the New Year’s Eve game. But had he made it to the fourth season, I guarantee you he would not have survived that 70 point loss.

Agree 100% with your post. We have too many social media tough guys who go ape shlt at the first sign of adversity, and stir up a toxic atmosphere. There are guys laying in wait right now, if Miami loses to Florida and/or loses more than a couple of games, they are licking their chops so they can be first in line .

We’ve got some fūcked up “fans“ in our fanbase.

You can even see it in this thread. My initial post was simply about “hey, maybe, just maybe, the culture is starting to change” not anything earthshaking, but a culture change is the first step in becoming a winning organization. Unfortunately, even with massive culture changes, it doesn’t happen overnight.

But yet we have assclowns saying anything less than 11-12 wins is a massive fail and are starting to rev up their toxicity shtick

Careful. You'll be labeled a Superfan. A sunshine pumper, or a hopeless Homer. Or even a Kool aid drinker while those you speak of will claim their toxicity is "just being realistic". Folks like that are NO Canes fans.

 

[TruCane81]

What Diaz has done the short time he has been here already tells you the culture of the team has changed.yes already sent some players packing who couldn't cut it here.I'm pretty sure there will be a few others.went into sabans backyard to get oc.threw a kegger \beer party for hs coaches at the same place fsu was holding a clinic for hs coaches.Diaz has huge cahunas \nuts\balls don't think we have too much to worry about.question is are the fans here going to be patient and Diaz do what needs to be done.or are we going to berade and call him out if next couple seasons don't meet the fans expectations.we've waited 19 long suffering years to finally get a good coach who understands what Miami is about.under Diaz within 3 yrs Miami will be competing for and win a conference championship and nc.

Most fans are reasonable enough. Everybody wants the return of the glory days, but know it will take work.

What made fans turn on Golden and Richt so completely and venomously was their stubbornness. They took brutal losses trying to square peg guys into their narrow philosophy. Instead of devising gameplan according to players strengths, they tried to force them to be what they were not. Then they threw the players under the bus for forcing them into their weaknesses!

The problem with the offense under Richt was the same problem with the defense under Golden and can be fixed with similar success.

With a scheme that fit his players and self awareness and accountability, Diaz turned a terrible defense to respectable to pretty **** good.

When Diaz did the silly reckless blitzing, the fans were on his *** and rightfully so. But Diaz is the type of guy who looks himself in the mirror and learns from his mistakes. If the last two guys did that, they would have had a chance to be successful.

Everyone hates to lose, but the way you lose matters and fans are smarter than given credit for.

 

[TruCane81]

Saban went 7-6
Stoops was 7-5
Dabo went 9-5

Yet I’ve seen posters on here say Manny has to win a minimum of ten games. We need perspective that even legendary coaches usually don’t have legendary first years.

Completely different situation.

None of those coaches had a schedule this weak.

Dabo wasn’t even a coordinator. Their teams were starting from scratch.

Our defense is set and the team knows and respects him. Held the defense together under circumstances they could have easily quit. All Diaz needs is an average offense and a punter. This isn’t a complete rebuild roster wise or schematically.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Completely different situation.

None of those coaches had a schedule this weak.

Dabo wasn’t even a coordinator. Their teams were starting from scratch.

Our defense is set and the team knows and respects him. Held the defense together under circumstances they could have easily quit. All Diaz needs is an average offense and a punter. This isn’t a complete rebuild roster wise or schematically.

People talk about schedules like the other team isn’t trying to win. It’s weird and bites them every year

 

[TruCane81]

Good point. It's year 2 where a good HC makes that jump:

Pete Carroll (USC)
Year 1: 6-6
Year 2: 11-1

Nick Saban (Alabama)
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 12-2

Tom Herman (Texas)
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 10-4

Urban Meyer (Florida)
Year 1: 9-3
Year 2: 13-1

Jimmy Johnson (Miami)
Year 1: 8-5
Year 2: 10-2

Howard Schellenberger (Miami)
Year 1: 5-6
Year 2: 9-3

Dabo Swiney (Clemson)
Year 1: 4-3
Year 2: 9-5

All those guys were rebuilding those cultures from scratch. Dabo was the only one to have any continuity and he wasn’t even a coordinator. Diaz has a much easier situation.

 

[TruCane81]

People talk about schedules like the other team isn’t trying to win. It’s weird and bites them every year

Well coached teams consistently beat less talented teams by leaning on their strengths. We have consistently lost to less talented teams by game planning directly into our weaknesses the last two regimes.

Schedule matters but bad gameplanning negates talent advantages.

 

[hoops156]

Nice straws you grasping bud.

But yes, I do call it a failure since his tenure underachieved by not winning a conference championship and then going 7-6.

But you know what Jimmy and Butch did, they didn't quit when the going got tough.

nah they just bolted from the school. at least richt did the right thing by his alma mater and resigned saving UM a ton of buyout money. also, live in reality bc no one was beating clemson. miami wont beat clemson w sunshine for the next 2 years either

 

[TruCane81]

Dabo was under .500 in his third season, went 6-7. It took him four years to get to double digit wins, 10 wins, and then at the end of this fourth season, got completely humiliated and embarrassed in a New Year’s bowl by getting *** raped for 70 points in an epic and soul crushing loss.

Dabo and Clemson were the joke of the college football world, in fact they were a complete joke even for people that were not football fans. They were thoroughly and completely clowned for years after that loss.

There was so much ineptness perceived around the program, that a phrase was even invented and used nationwide: “Clemsoning”...they were literally the joke of the sporting world.

What do you think would have happened if that was Miami? He probably would not have made it to the fourth season, and that 70 point humiliating beat down in the New Year’s Eve game. But had he made it to the fourth season, I guarantee you he would not have survived that 70 point loss.

Agree 100% with your post. We have too many social media tough guys who go ape shlt at the first sign of adversity, and stir up a toxic atmosphere. There are guys laying in wait right now, if Miami loses to Florida and/or loses more than a couple of games, they are licking their chops so they can be first in line .

We’ve got some fūcked up “fans“ in our fanbase.

You can even see it in this thread. My initial post was simply about “hey, maybe, just maybe, the culture is starting to change” not anything earthshaking, but a culture change is the first step in becoming a winning organization. Unfortunately, even with massive culture changes, it doesn’t happen overnight.

But yet we have assclowns saying anything less than 11-12 wins is a massive fail and are starting to rev up their toxicity shtick

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Dabo didn’t just sit on his laurels and blame players for losses. When his units underperformed, he made changes instead of doing the smartest guy in the room routine.

That goes a long way toward cultivating patience from the administration and fans.

 

[TruCane81]

Unfortunately, most of the simps on here aren’t all that invested in UM. They’re just here to scream “fire!” in a crowded theater. Bunch of nerds with nothing going on, so they pop in here to vomit on the floor in an effort to spread their disease of misery to the rest of us.

As for Dabo, I truly believe that if the internet and social media was raging as hard as it is now back when Dabo went 4-3 as an interim HC there’s no way he would have survived at Clemson. Then, he followed that up with the desultory results you laid out. There’s no way he would have survived with those results in 2016-19 when Twitter and message boards exploded.

Probably right, Franchise, but Dabo made changes when necessary.

 

[hoops156]

Probably right, Franchise, but Dabo made changes when necessary.

he did, but he also wouldn't have lasted as long as he did here given his first few seasons at clemson. it does help when you keep your top assistants for the most part bc you can pay them g5 high end salaries

 

[DTP]

The thing is, for the first time since Coker, our head coach isn't inheriting a trainwreck of a program. For all of Richt's failures as an on field coach last season, he did a decent job of building up the roster and at least restoring some semblance of relevancy to Miami. This roster has the highest blue chip percentage we've had in forever especially at the most important position. When is the last time we had three 4 star guys in an actual QB competition? The schedule is laughable. There's really no excuse for not winning this division. Are they near Clemson level yet? No, but Clemson is miles above the rest of the ACC. Miami should realistically be able to handle everyone not named Clemson in the conference. The momentum that we can gain from a 10+ win season, conference championship game appearance and major bowl cannot be underestimated. Those things are all very attainable. You string together a couple of really solid seasons like that and you can really start to build an actual championship caliber program.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

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Dabo didn’t just sit on his laurels and blame players for losses. When his units underperformed, he made changes instead of doing the smartest guy in the room routine.

That goes a long way toward cultivating patience from the administration and fans.

He stubbornly held on to his DC until he became a national disgrace by having 70 points scored on him in a N.Y. bowl in prime time. That’s after 4 years.

Not a difficult decision to change your DC, when your defense is a national laughingstock that gave up approaching a hundred points on national TV.

In today’s environment, he wouldn’t have even made it to his 4th year here. Even with a better record.

 

[TruCane81]

He stubbornly held on to his DC until he became a national disgrace by having 70 points scored on him in a N.Y. bowl in prime time. That’s after 4 years.

Not a difficult decision to change your DC, when your defense is a national laughingstock that gave up approaching a hundred points on national TV.

In today’s environment, he wouldn’t have even made it to his 4th year here. Even with a better record.

His first year he was interim coach for 7 games.

Second year he increased their win total by 2 and won his division.

Year 3 was 6-7, but they lost a BUNCH of close games, all one score except Miami (9) and USCe(22) His seat was hot, but it was enough for wait and see mode.

Year 4 (really 3 1/2) he jumped them to 10 wins and WON THE CONFERENCE. The bowl was embarrassing but few programs would fire the coach with that turnaround. That would be like firing Richt after 2017.

Golden survived 6-6 and 6-7, though fans were not happy.

If a Miami coach won the Acc and lost by 37 in the bowl game, there would be ramblings, but he would not be fired. ****, Richt lost the acccg to Clemson by 35 and they called off the dogs. Should have been way worse.

Yeah A 70 burger is a kick to the nuts but the Coach would get a chance to make changes. Golden and Richt refused, and that was their downfall.

 

[The Franchise]

He stubbornly held on to his DC until he became a national disgrace by having 70 points scored on him in a N.Y. bowl in prime time. That’s after 4 years.

Not a difficult decision to change your DC, when your defense is a national laughingstock that gave up approaching a hundred points on national TV.

In today’s environment, he wouldn’t have even made it to his 4th year here. Even with a better record.

Exactly.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

His first year he was interim coach for 7 games.

Second year he increased their win total by 2 and won his division.

Year 3 was 6-7, but they lost a BUNCH of close games, all one score except Miami (9) and USCe(22) His seat was hot, but it was enough for wait and see mode.

Year 4 (really 3 1/2) he jumped them to 10 wins and WON THE CONFERENCE. The bowl was embarrassing but few programs would fire the coach with that turnaround. That would be like firing Richt after 2017.

Golden survived 6-6 and 6-7, though fans were not happy.

If a Miami coach won the Acc and lost by 37 in the bowl game, there would be ramblings, but he would not be fired. ****, Richt lost the acccg to Clemson by 35 and they called off the dogs. Should have been way worse.

Yeah A 70 burger is a kick to the nuts but the Coach would get a chance to make changes. Golden and Richt refused, and that was their downfall.

You haven’t refuted my premise.

He wouldn’t have lasted here in today’s environment. All that was, was an explaining away of a very uneven first four years for Dabo. Good thing for them, those fans have patience and saw the potential. He’s built a monster with good coaching, a Bama-like bag budget, and the means to distribute it.

Watch what happens here after Diaz’s first loss.