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Umbra said:
That's why I said legally speaking.
If I was speeding and I don't get a ticket, even if I was stopped by a cop, was I really speeding?
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yes, you were speeding. did you get caught or not is a different story.

What Pata killed even though his murderer wasn't identified and arrested until 15 years later?
 
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canesmh18 said:
he absolutely put bruises on his 30 week pregnant gf and regardless is about to bring a 3rd child into the world by age 20. We need more Mike Harley & Deejay Dallas and less Avantae Williams
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Did she put bruises on him? Was he trying to restrain her? What was her version of the story? What was his? What did the state tell you that led to them dropping charges? Are George Foreman & Evander Holyfield bad guys (23 kids combined by 10 different women)? I'm good with Dee Jay Dallas & Mike James of the worlds.. but having kids at a young age is a reflection of misguidance (whether upbringing or culture), not character. Just bc you might know a little something doesn't make you the judge & jury.

Most of us have kids or family who have strayed. It doesn't make them hopeless. I pray he learns from this, grows from it.. Becomes a better man and father bc of it. Perhaps breaks chains in his family (if that's the case). It ain't how you start it's how you finish.
 
rsa coral gables said:
yes, you were speeding. did you get caught or not is a different story.

What Pata killed even though his murderer wasn't identified and arrested until 15 years later?
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He was killed yes. Just like we know the girl had bruises.

But as far as tangible consequences are concerned for the murderer himself, he wasn't (I guess still isn't) a murderer until that is proven. Just like Tae for all intents and purposes in the public world did nothing, regardless of what he personally knows to be true or not.

I don't see how stipulations related to reoffending can be given in a situation where someone has no record of having done anything.
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
The University of Miami has morphed into one of the most-liberal universities in the country over the past two decades. Football has been tolerated since Donna Shalala took over and Dr. Julio Frenk is ridiculously hands off. As long as the ACC and adidas money comes in—and the players stay out of legal trouble—the top brass is happy.

Public perception is that Miami is full of a slew of kids like Avante Williams doing hoodlum-like stuff—the 80's paid bounty era, Pell Grant fraud in the 90's or the Shapiro scandal—which is why you can see the admin punting on the kid.

I hope they are pragmatic and make a well-thought out decision—but can seem them not wanting the bad press or headache, as Miami isn't a football factory that is going to make football factory decisions to overlook things like this.
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Why does our fanbase believe that the University President is in charge of athletics? I'm going to say this and maybe, just maybe it'll sink in this time: THE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT'S JOB HAS LITTLE IF ANYTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS. MOST COMPETENT UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS ONLY STEP IN WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM. THE PEOPLE THAT TEND TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAY TO DAY ADMINISTRATION AND FUNDING OF THE DEPARTMENT ARE BOOSTERS AND ATHLETICALLY INCLINED MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BOARD(In our case, the BOT)

Now, for the "Miami is liberal" claptrap. One of the largest, most involved non Greek organizations on campus are the College Republicans. Hardly the mark of a super liberal campus. Dr. Shalala was moderate on her best day, she was hardly the purple haired wild eyed socialist a lot of our pathetically ignorant fanbase would believe. If you truly think that Miami is even close to schools like UC Berkeley, or UTexas or the University of Washington, you are sorely mistaken. It's borderline impossible to be hyper liberal and a private institution, because you have to appeal to the people whose parents can afford to pay. That said, it's not BYU or Bob Jones U either.

Now, for the topic at hand: I would just walk away from this young man. Nothing good can come from him being reinstated, especially when you consider that he has a propensity for awful decision making. This isn't someone like Shaq Quarterman doing this, then again Shaq wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. I would rather help him go somewhere else. Maybe getting away from the situation would do him a ton of good. It's rare that anyone learns anything without legit consequences. You don't want to be the school holding the bag if he does another stupid thing( which is very likely, judging from his previous history)
 
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To me, if charges were dropped, he has to be reinstated right? Awful look to dismiss a kid that has not been legally convicted or now even charged for a crime. Innocent until proven guilty should trump our personal feelings as to what happened. Would be a terrible precedent to set to kick a kid off the team who (to the best of our knowledge) hasn’t done anything wrong
 
L A M P said:
Did she put bruises on him? Was he trying to restrain her? What was her version of the story? What was his? What did the state tell you that led to them dropping charges? Are George Foreman & Evander Holyfield bad guys (23 kids combined by 10 different women)? I'm good with Dee Jay Dallas & Mike James of the worlds.. but having kids at a young age is a reflection of misguidance (whether upbringing or culture), not character. Just bc you might know a little something doesn't make you the judge & jury.

Most of us have kids or family who have strayed. It doesn't make them hopeless. I pray he learns from this, grows from it.. Becomes a better man and father bc of it. Perhaps breaks chains in his family (if that's the case). It ain't how you start it's how you finish.
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bruises on an elite athlete from an 8 month pregnant girl? Lulz...

23 kids and 10 woman are scumbag moves regardless, but being that they have combined to make over half a billion dollars in lifetime earnings, one would assume they could at least care for those kids a bit. something tells me 99% of 20yr olds with no income can't provide for their families. Just a hunch though
 
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Cribby said:
I was told he was back home
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There you go.

I know you’ve got the inside info. I just knew that he hadn’t been practicing for quite a bit now. At least 2 to 3 weeks something like that. That’s not any inside information I have. I think that’s pretty well-known. I didn’t know where he was, but now it looks like he’s been back home. Like you said.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
You can’t say there’s no Title IX consideration and say this. This is the crux of the Title IX issue, especially in this climate. I’m fully aware that the young woman isn’t a student. Has nothing to do with what I’m pointing out.
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I can say exactly what I said. I litigate these issues, and I stand by my analysis because it's correct. The university cannot bring a Title IX proceeding against Avantae based on the incident on the facts as I laid them out.
 
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CaneBear0207 said:
I can say exactly what I said. I litigate these issues, and I stand by my analysis because it's correct. The university cannot bring a Title IX proceeding against Avantae based on the incident on the facts as I laid them out.
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Yes, I’m a lawyer too. I understand that they can’t bring a title IX proceeding against him. I never have stated that in any post. It’s merely about liability if another incident were to happen, which you spelled out and I agreed with. So it is a Title IX concern when the school is purely concerned about liability.
 
As of now, charges dropped, no further evidence in the case, the kid deserves to be reinstated. Just my two cents. He is going to get his shot somewhere regardless so it might as well be at Miami where he wants to be at.
 
canesmh18 said:
bruises on an elite athlete from an 8 month pregnant girl? Lulz...

23 kids and 10 woman are scumbag moves regardless, but being that they have combined to make over half a billion dollars in lifetime earnings, one would assume they could at least care for those kids a bit. something tells me 99% of 20yr olds with no income can't provide for their families. Just a hunch yo
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hotshot said:
The school President, the AD, etc. all are most concerned with CYA. That is, how will they look if he is allowed to re-enroll and then re-offends? So, the safest decision for them is to not let him return.

If I were Frenk, I'd have AW come to my office for a one-on-one meeting and get the sense of who the kid is and what he says about the future (i.e., how sincere his promises regarding his future behavior are). If I was positively disposed, I'd tell him welcome back with the stipulation that he's on a "last chance" deal. Anything negative, he's gone for good. Then ... cross my fingers and hope he's learned from this nightmare.
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I think the alleged victim recanting is huge here and her saying she was basically forced into a statement by the cops.

If the prosecutors declined to file charges because the alleged victim did not want to prosecute but never denied the facts on the arrest affidavit, there would likely be no chance he would be back.

She has given the university an easy way out. She said it did not happen.

That should be the main argument for reinstatement.

To be honest, I can see more of an outrage if he isn’t reinstated especially if he turns out to be an all American at another school.

It will once again show us that this administration is still not serious about football.

Anyone think this would be an issue at Bama? Shoot Crab Legs raped someone and he still played.
 
hurricaneman said:
If you suspend him then you're acknowledging that he hit her, why else would you suspend him? If you're acknowledging that he hit her then he needs to be removed from the team.
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How is that acknowledging anything? There’s lots of things playing into a suspension. He has fault in this whole soap opera and he hasn’t exactly been an angel here but that doesn’t mean he hit her.
 
hurricaneman said:
If you suspend him then you're acknowledging that he hit her, why else would you suspend him? If you're acknowledging that he hit her then he needs to be removed from the team.
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Don’t disagree but they can spin and say he shouldn’t have put himself in that position. But I do agree that it does open you up to questions.

Easier not to suspend or take any negative actions if you couch it under we spoke to the alleged victim and read the report from the state attorney’s office declining to prosecute.
 
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