? For those who say, "coaches can't let X recruit get away"

[NVA CANE]

There is one simple thing that the coaches can do to pull in players and that's to win. Do what you're supposed to on the field and recruiting gets easier. Players want to play for a program heading in the right direction under a coach that knows how to win.

 

[bomb]

Yeah.....because his future is really in baseball. He lost the recruiting battle, quit trying to move the goal posts.

LoL what? He is really good at baseball. FSU fans were worried that he would go play baseball instead.

He could have displayed his skills in baseball just as easily at Alabama. Baseball isn't football. Saban lost out on the #1 QB in his own state to an out of state 4 loss team. He's a corch in the recruiting game.

If Saban didn't want him to play baseball, how could he display his skills?

Saban missing on one guy is a corch. What does it mean when you lose multiple?

Nope....he pretty much just got out recruited for Winston...... http://floridastate.rivals.com/barr...t=content.asp&cid=1531007&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

I'm sure Saban's missed out on many more. The point is, EVERY coach in America loses out on recruits. Multiple, every year and from their own backyard. It happens. If you guys are having problems with Golden's recruiting ability, then you are going to have a miserable existence as a Canes fan. This is one aspect of his coaching I have ZERO problems with.

End of story. Saban lost him.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

LOL. If we lost a Dade kid for those reasons would you be making excuses for Golden? No, he's get raked.

Miami, where your fans hate you more than they do the enemy.

There is already excuses for us losing long time canes fan,ticket holder and lock Khari Clark. Some how UF was able to convince him to go to Florida. Yes we were recruiting Khari Clark hard yet somehow UF was able to convince him. UF probably had a better pitch or w/e IDK but I do know he was considered a lock for awhile. How many locks has Saban and Jimbo lost? I know some of the kids Saban, Fisher, Urban recruited wanted to leave their area yet some how those coaches were able to convince them to stay home. Lane, Sony and Cook were other locks. We get kids stolen from us all the time. Name all the kids stolen from Jimbo, Urban, Saban, Les Miles back yards. I am talking about the elite kids the top of the top.

 

[bobbydigius]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

LOL. If we lost a Dade kid for those reasons would you be making excuses for Golden? No, he's get raked.

Miami, where your fans hate you more than they do the enemy.

There is already excuses for us losing long time canes fan,ticket holder and lock Khari Clark. Some how UF was able to convince him to go to Florida. Yes we were recruiting Khari Clark hard yet somehow UF was able to convince him. UF probably had a better pitch or w/e IDK but I do know he was considered a lock for awhile. How many locks has Saban and Jimbo lost? I know some of the kids Saban, Fisher, Urban recruited wanted to leave their area yet some how those coaches were able to convince them to stay home. Lane, Sony and Cook were other locks. We get kids stolen from us all the time. Name all the kids stolen from Jimbo, Urban, Saban, Les Miles back yards. I am talking about the elite kids the top of the top.

Man there are always excuses. We didn't need MThomas, Grace and Figatron were great replacements, then the season starts and reality hits about our LBs in coverage. Collins wasn't a loss anyway, we got Gus the Bus plus did you see Crawford against SSU? Kid is a total stud. It's frustrating as an objective fan because after we miss on these kids, we get to hear how the other guy we got is the next Ed Reed or Wayne, and how our team is gonna show everyone that we are back. We are then preached to about being real cane fans and supporting the team when the fact of the matter we just see through the BS and are concerned. Do you remember all the threads and posts weeks before the FSU game, where so many thought we had the talent to hang with them? I was in similar arguments with posters that tried to tell me that our DL is in fact better. Yes, you read that correctly. It's the same ole thing every year, but the fact is if we keep missing on the elite kids in our backyard we will never be back. 10 years of this garbage have proven that this is the case. Give me just a third of the local kids we have missed the last 4 years and this is a completely different team. That is not me being negative, that is just a long time fan of the school and program making a real assessment of what this program has become.

But I'll be labeled a hater and we will go through another spring telling ourselves that the guys we missed weren't failures.

 

[GrozDozer]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

LOL. If we lost a Dade kid for those reasons would you be making excuses for Golden? No, he's get raked.

Miami, where your fans hate you more than they do the enemy.

There is already excuses for us losing long time canes fan,ticket holder and lock Khari Clark. Some how UF was able to convince him to go to Florida. Yes we were recruiting Khari Clark hard yet somehow UF was able to convince him. UF probably had a better pitch or w/e IDK but I do know he was considered a lock for awhile. How many locks has Saban and Jimbo lost? I know some of the kids Saban, Fisher, Urban recruited wanted to leave their area yet some how those coaches were able to convince them to stay home. Lane, Sony and Cook were other locks. We get kids stolen from us all the time. Name all the kids stolen from Jimbo, Urban, Saban, Les Miles back yards. I am talking about the elite kids the top of the top.

different backyards. Tallahassee ain't Miami Dade in terms of football. Lane and Cook were never locks. Just because some poster claimed that doesn't make it true. Sony...well I got no excuse for that..maybe money. If his brother ends up transferring to FIU instead of UGA and Sony doesn't stick around than yeah..thats a fail. But by all accounts Cook/Lane never had intrest in UM and UM made them at least consider. Tracy Howard grew up a UF fan. Came to UM. Anthony Moten. Gator Lock. Committed to UM. Yearby. Once FSU lock. Committed to UM. JC Jackson. UF COMMIT. About to commit to UM<writings on the wall. Its early but Elite CB Tyrek Cole who grew up a UF fan seems to be leaning toward UM. If you're gonna talk **** about handful of players we lost acknowledge the players we pulled too. Same with all you soft shouldered ******s ripping Golden for our defense while sucking down the offenses ****. WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK HIRED THAT OFFENSIVE STAFF?

 

[Udynasty]

From what Lane has accomplished this year I would rather have Dixon and Rudolph. Klark has gotten lazy and dropped off even though he is the most talented DT in Florida. I would rather have Valentine and Moten both of which have passed him in terms of production and are "Miami" talented players. Now Cook is special.. best player in Florida by far.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

There is one simple thing that the coaches can do to pull in players and that's to win. Do what you're supposed to on the field and recruiting gets easier. Players want to play for a program heading in the right direction under a coach that knows how to win.

g

I can agree with this. We need to win and win big

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

LOL. If we lost a Dade kid for those reasons would you be making excuses for Golden? No, he's get raked.

Miami, where your fans hate you more than they do the enemy.

There is already excuses for us losing long time canes fan,ticket holder and lock Khari Clark. Some how UF was able to convince him to go to Florida. Yes we were recruiting Khari Clark hard yet somehow UF was able to convince him. UF probably had a better pitch or w/e IDK but I do know he was considered a lock for awhile. How many locks has Saban and Jimbo lost? I know some of the kids Saban, Fisher, Urban recruited wanted to leave their area yet some how those coaches were able to convince them to stay home. Lane, Sony and Cook were other locks. We get kids stolen from us all the time. Name all the kids stolen from Jimbo, Urban, Saban, Les Miles back yards. I am talking about the elite kids the top of the top.

different backyards. Tallahassee ain't Miami Dade in terms of football. Lane and Cook were never locks. Just because some poster claimed that doesn't make it true. Sony...well I got no excuse for that..maybe money. If his brother ends up transferring to FIU instead of UGA and Sony doesn't stick around than yeah..thats a fail. But by all accounts Cook/Lane never had intrest in UM and UM made them at least consider. Tracy Howard grew up a UF fan. Came to UM. Anthony Moten. Gator Lock. Committed to UM. Yearby. Once FSU lock. Committed to UM. JC Jackson. UF COMMIT. About to commit to UM<writings on the wall. Its early but Elite CB Tyrek Cole who grew up a UF fan seems to be leaning toward UM. If you're gonna talk **** about handful of players we lost acknowledge the players we pulled too. Same with all you soft shouldered ******s ripping Golden for our defense while sucking down the offenses ****. WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK HIRED THAT OFFENSIVE STAFF?

Lane was considered a lock. Funny that you ignore the Clark lock part. TH3 was in our backyard. Moten committed to UF and as soon a he committed to them, he was worried about their depth at DT. He decommitted because of their depth. Moten was never considered a lock to UF, if you lock on the crystal ball or on this site most had him going to Miami before he committed to UF. Yearby was a Coley lock not a FSU or Miami lock. Coley could be coaching at Washington State and Yearby would there. JC Jackson was considered a UF lock? news to me. Cole grew up a fan of both IIRC.

Now again list me all the players Jimbo, Urban, Les and Saban have lost in their back yard.

 

[BlackKeysFan]

I think this staff is recruiting to the best of its ability. 2011 we know the deal, what else is there to say? 2012 has a lot of star power and a ton of misses, ill credit some of that to Al reaching and getting used to recruiting the area, some of it to NCAA, and a lot of it to our lack of success. 2013 seems like a very efficient class to me, small but pretty much all of the guys seem like they will be of use. 2014 obviously lets sign it before we judge and then get some guys on campus, but I like our classes. Considering our lack of recent success and awful attendance, I think we're doing about as well as anybody could reasonably expect.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I'm not by any means saying this class is a failure because it's not. This class is tremendous with great depth in the O-line and D-line department and even the LB department. However, Al Golden isn't going to win national championships by letting guys like Matthew Thomas, Alex Collins, Denver Kirkland, Dalvin Cook, Ermon Lane and others go elsewhere.

What was everyone's main concern with Golden when he entered, "If he could build that fence around South Florida for recruiting" When you let guys like mentioned above leave, your not building that fence. I'm not saying Golden hasn't done a tremendous job of recruiting because he has, especially with the NCAA cloud over his head. However, if you want to be back at the level to compete for championships, you have to lock down guys like this.

You sure are an impressionable young lad. There is no such thing as a "fence around south florida". If there were, then Golden wouldn't even have to recruit.....he'd just "build that fence".

 

[bobbydigius]

From what Lane has accomplished this year I would rather have Dixon and Rudolph. Klark has gotten lazy and dropped off even though he is the most talented DT in Florida. I would rather have Valentine and Moten both of which have passed him in terms of production and are "Miami" talented players. Now Cook is special.. best player in Florida by far.

Clark was a loss, but the staff more than made up for it with Valentine and Moten. IF we get Dixon, then that will mitigate the sting of losing Lane and more so Rudolph, along with Berrios and Langham. This 2014 class is special with or without Cook, but that still doesnt mean that it wont be a miss and viewed as a failure. One thing that hasnt been brought up is that it isnt just about getting a player in Cook, its the perception and the message that the best players in SF belong at Miami. What kind of message does it send if/when Cook, Rudolph, Lane, and Treon end up in Tally? Now before anybody jumps on me about Treon, that is a perfect scenario of you lose some you win some. Treon is very talented but he is dead set on playing QB, and we got our guy in Kaaya, cant hate. Still its another quality SF player heading to tally. A thing that is lost in this situation also, is that we also cant sit here and pretend that the 2014 class is the norm here, and a bunch of the concerns on here are about previous classes. Yes, the cloud, had a major impact that prevented us getting the players like Goldman and Diggs, but that doesnt mean we could not find adequate players at LB, RB and DT. Yeah we got an elite guy in Duke, but because of no depth we were about to run him into the ground before that terrible injury.

I feel after the 2014 class, we are still a recruiting class or two away from being elite talent wise, but the only way we are gonna get there is if we keep the local studs home. 2015, flip Phillips, there is a start and get the kids we already know are the elite kids. We will lose some but we got to get most of them, and sure as **** get the best ones......

 

[DerekDohrman]

Get better recruiters

So only one school out of the dozens that offer these players have "better recruiters"? Then why doesn't that "recruiter " sign every recruit he targets?

this dude had you all right here.

 

[NVA CANE]

Are there new developments in recruiting cook? Is he an fsu lean?

 

[Ispyin]

LOL. It's not about doing something different. You either get the kids or you don't. It's ok to admit that Golden isn't perfect.

Read the OP, the question isn't about Cook, I just used him as a reference.

You say just get the kids or you don't. As a coach what would YOU do different?

****, I could probably do the exact opposite they're doing and I'd have the same success rate as them with Cook right now. But it's not my job. When you get paid $2 million a year, you don't get merit badges for attempting stuff.

right ok, good to see the kid has no choice in this, it's all on the coach. Didn't realize recruiting was a one way street.

 

[dk72]

I am going to take a beating for what I'm about to post, but I'm used to it so here it goes.

I have been attending high school games and following recruiting closely for about 7 years (not as long as some on here but I'm just giving perspective) and Dalvin Cook is the best player I've seen at the high school level. Anytime I post something about Cook on either here or Twitter, it turns into "We have Yearby and Powell coming in to team up with Gus Edwards and Duke, that will be unstoppable!!" Yes, Joseph Yearby and Brandon Powell are very, very good prospects and have bright futures, but neither of them are close to Dalvin Cook in my eyes.

It's been discussed in this thread already and I stand by what I said that him not coming here would be a complete failure by the staff. They have had 3 years to recruit him and do WHATEVER it takes to get him here. That is their job. Miami will never be back to elite level if Amari Coopers, Rashard Robinsons, Skai Moores, Matthew Thomases, Alex Collinses, etc. continue to go elsewhere.

People tout Gus Edwards but forget he was not the staff's first choice. If Alex Collins would have been solid, Miami would have never gone after him. Fans say we are "fine" with Edwards but the coaches obviously wanted Collins first. There are examples like this all across the board unfortunately.

Losing Cook would be as bad as Patrick Peterson going to LSU.

One more thing: People need to realize that although South Florida is loaded each and every year across the board, you don't come across multiple Stacy Coleys or Dalvin Cooks. It's levels to this recruiting game and the staff needs to make sure we aren't watching the South Florida kids make plays in the Iron Bowl every year.

Ok but you yourself put the story on this site that said Canes are recruiting Cook the hardest. So by all accounts they are doing everything in their power to get him here so what Mr. Ariz would you do different? No one will answer the ******* question. Everyone can sit here and ******* throw stones if we are pulling a Randy/Amari Cooper and completely ignoring a kid who wants to be at your school. But by all accounts thats the exact opposite of what this staff has done. You yourself picked Robinson to flip from LSU because he was on campus all the time and the staff was all over him. You had Matt Thomas as like a 90% lock for the Canes because the staff had been all over him. You told everyone on the board not to worry about Alex Collins retweets, much like you're doing for Demetrius Jackson, because he was a Cane lock and the staff was not worried about him leaving. So What In The **** would you have the staff do? Kidnap the kid? Hold his mom hostage? Risk the death penalty and pay the kid?

Hardest does not mean best. I am not recruiting Cook so I don't know what I would do differently.

As to Collins and Jackson, that comparison is meaningless. I don't remember ever saying not to worry about Collins. It's well-documented I said it would be Miami for him, but things changed last minute with him and I got that wrong. Demetrius and I have a good relationship and he has given me a lot of information that I have not shared with the public. He is solid to Miami.

But if Cook doesn't want to come here, he doesn't want to come here. Not every kid wants to go to the hometown school, no matter how they are recruited. Recruiting is a two way street. It's not a failure on the coaches part if a player simply doesn't want to be there, for any of a million possible personal, logical, or illogical, reasons that he may have. Plus for all of the hype about Cook on these boards, that recruiting experts nationwide for the most part see Yearby and Cook as nearly equal.

 

[dk72]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

Exactly, the kid had his own reasons why he didn't want to be at Bama. I guess that makes Saban a failure for not getting him, since many here seem to think that it's a one-sided equation, and if a coach doesn't get someone he's a failure, regardless of what's on the kid's mind.

 

[Cane01]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

LOL. If we lost a Dade kid for those reasons would you be making excuses for Golden? No, he's get raked.

Miami, where your fans hate you more than they do the enemy.

There is already excuses for us losing long time canes fan,ticket holder and lock Khari Clark. Some how UF was able to convince him to go to Florida. Yes we were recruiting Khari Clark hard yet somehow UF was able to convince him. UF probably had a better pitch or w/e IDK but I do know he was considered a lock for awhile. How many locks has Saban and Jimbo lost? I know some of the kids Saban, Fisher, Urban recruited wanted to leave their area yet some how those coaches were able to convince them to stay home. Lane, Sony and Cook were other locks. We get kids stolen from us all the time. Name all the kids stolen from Jimbo, Urban, Saban, Les Miles back yards. I am talking about the elite kids the top of the top.

different backyards. Tallahassee ain't Miami Dade in terms of football. Lane and Cook were never locks. Just because some poster claimed that doesn't make it true. Sony...well I got no excuse for that..maybe money. If his brother ends up transferring to FIU instead of UGA and Sony doesn't stick around than yeah..thats a fail. But by all accounts Cook/Lane never had intrest in UM and UM made them at least consider. Tracy Howard grew up a UF fan. Came to UM. Anthony Moten. Gator Lock. Committed to UM. Yearby. Once FSU lock. Committed to UM. JC Jackson. UF COMMIT. About to commit to UM<writings on the wall. Its early but Elite CB Tyrek Cole who grew up a UF fan seems to be leaning toward UM. If you're gonna talk **** about handful of players we lost acknowledge the players we pulled too. Same with all you soft shouldered ******s ripping Golden for our defense while sucking down the offenses ****. WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK HIRED THAT OFFENSIVE STAFF?

Lane was considered a lock. Funny that you ignore the Clark lock part. TH3 was in our backyard. Moten committed to UF and as soon a he committed to them, he was worried about their depth at DT. He decommitted because of their depth. Moten was never considered a lock to UF, if you lock on the crystal ball or on this site most had him going to Miami before he committed to UF. Yearby was a Coley lock not a FSU or Miami lock. Coley could be coaching at Washington State and Yearby would there. JC Jackson was considered a UF lock? news to me. Cole grew up a fan of both IIRC.

Now again list me all the players Jimbo, Urban, Les and Saban have lost in their back yard.

Just 2 deep guys at pretty good schools that have left Tally in recent years, in a much smaller "yard" to boot.

2009
Jawanza Starling 4 star DB-Lincoln-USC
Melvin Ray 4 star WR- North Florida Christian- Auburn after playing baseball. Signed with Alabama out of HS.
James Green 4 star WR-Leon-Tennessee
Corey Gaines 4 star DT- Godby-Ole Miss
Ryan White 3 star DB-Lincoln-Auburn
Cody Gibson 3 star OL-Lincoln-South Carolina

2011
Buck Allen 4 star RB-Lincoln-USC

2012

Travis Blanks 4 star S- North Florida Christian-Clemson
Laith Harlow 3 star TE-Godby-Oklahoma
TJ Davis 3 star S-Godby-Auburn
Raphael Andrades 3 star WR- Lincoln- Florida
Brandon Holifield 3 star TE- Godby-Missouri

2013
James Hearns 4 star LB-Lincoln-Louisville
Reggie Davis 4 star WR-Lincoln-Georgia
Taj Williams 4 star WR-Lincoln- Indiana

This of course doesn't include North of Orlando Florida recruits like Derrick Henry, Eddie Williams, Chris Black, DJ Pettway, Trent Richardson (Alabama), Jordan Leggett, Tony Steward, Tavaris Barnes (Clemson), John Theus, Brent Benedict, Demetre Baker, Derek Owens (Georgia) Lamar Scruggs, Trammell Williams, Ahmad Christian, Kelvin Rainey, Jamari Smith (South Carolina) or anyone Jimbo lost to The Gators from outside of Tally proper.

Point is you can't get them all.

 

[dk72]

It's not about losing Dalvin Cook. It's about losing Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel and Alex Collins. That is a failure.

This team desperately needs a 200-pound back with Miami-caliber talent. The coaches know that and are working their asses off to solve the problem.

This right here perfectly sums up the situation. We have had three elite RBs prospects down in SF the last 2 years, and missing on all 3 is a failure. Yearby is very very good, but not an elite prospect. That is not to say he doesnt end the best of the bunch, but as a prospect he isnt elite. He has elite aspects to his game, but his stature and so-so top end speed prevents him from being considered such. If Collins was here then freaking out about Michel or Cook just wont be an issue. Now it would still suck to miss on a talent like Cook, but not the end of the world. Missing on all three though, FAILURE, plain and simple.

Now Yearby's not elite. Jesus.

I love how the recruiting "gurus" on this site downplay Yearby in favor of Cook. Bet if we had Cook, and not Yearby, they'd be doing the opposite. The actual respected, well-known, long-time football talent experts that rank the players pretty much unanimously have Yearby and Cook as near equals, some saying one is slightly better, others saying the other is slightly better. But around here Yearby is "not elite" and Cook is one of the greatest of all time.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

I am going to take a beating for what I'm about to post, but I'm used to it so here it goes.

I have been attending high school games and following recruiting closely for about 7 years (not as long as some on here but I'm just giving perspective) and Dalvin Cook is the best player I've seen at the high school level. Anytime I post something about Cook on either here or Twitter, it turns into "We have Yearby and Powell coming in to team up with Gus Edwards and Duke, that will be unstoppable!!" Yes, Joseph Yearby and Brandon Powell are very, very good prospects and have bright futures, but neither of them are close to Dalvin Cook in my eyes.

It's been discussed in this thread already and I stand by what I said that him not coming here would be a complete failure by the staff. They have had 3 years to recruit him and do WHATEVER it takes to get him here. That is their job. Miami will never be back to elite level if Amari Coopers, Rashard Robinsons, Skai Moores, Matthew Thomases, Alex Collinses, etc. continue to go elsewhere.

People tout Gus Edwards but forget he was not the staff's first choice. If Alex Collins would have been solid, Miami would have never gone after him. Fans say we are "fine" with Edwards but the coaches obviously wanted Collins first. There are examples like this all across the board unfortunately.

Losing Cook would be as bad as Patrick Peterson going to LSU.

One more thing: People need to realize that although South Florida is loaded each and every year across the board, you don't come across multiple Stacy Coleys or Dalvin Cooks. It's levels to this recruiting game and the staff needs to make sure we aren't watching the South Florida kids make plays in the Iron Bowl every year.

Ok but you yourself put the story on this site that said Canes are recruiting Cook the hardest. So by all accounts they are doing everything in their power to get him here so what Mr. Ariz would you do different? No one will answer the ****ing question. Everyone can sit here and ****ing throw stones if we are pulling a Randy/Amari Cooper and completely ignoring a kid who wants to be at your school. But by all accounts thats the exact opposite of what this staff has done. You yourself picked Robinson to flip from LSU because he was on campus all the time and the staff was all over him. You had Matt Thomas as like a 90% lock for the Canes because the staff had been all over him. You told everyone on the board not to worry about Alex Collins retweets, much like you're doing for Demetrius Jackson, because he was a Cane lock and the staff was not worried about him leaving. So What In The **** would you have the staff do? Kidnap the kid? Hold his mom hostage? Risk the death penalty and pay the kid?

Hardest does not mean best. I am not recruiting Cook so I don't know what I would do differently.

As to Collins and Jackson, that comparison is meaningless. I don't remember ever saying not to worry about Collins. It's well-documented I said it would be Miami for him, but things changed last minute with him and I got that wrong. Demetrius and I have a good relationship and he has given me a lot of information that I have not shared with the public. He is solid to Miami.

But if Cook doesn't want to come here, he doesn't want to come here. Not every kid wants to go to the hometown school, no matter how they are recruited. Recruiting is a two way street. It's not a failure on the coaches part if a player simply doesn't want to be there, for any of a million possible personal, logical, or illogical, reasons that he may have. Plus for all of the hype about Cook on these boards, that recruiting experts nationwide for the most part see Yearby and Cook as nearly equal.

Well it's the recruiters job to change the kid's mind. This staff was successful in that during Tracy's recruitment. They need to do it again.

Also, never trust a nationwide "recruiting expert" over local people who have seen him play in person multiple times. If you think they've put in the effort and detail of the local guys, you're an idiot.

 

[dk72]

Winston wanted to play baseball. One Bama baseball team sucks and Saban didn't want him to play baseball.

Yeah.....because his future is really in baseball. He lost the recruiting battle, quit trying to move the goal posts.

LoL what? He is really good at baseball. FSU fans were worried that he would go play baseball instead.

He could have displayed his skills in baseball just as easily at Alabama. Baseball isn't football. Saban lost out on the #1 QB in his own state to an out of state 4 loss team. He's a corch in the recruiting game.

If Saban didn't want him to play baseball, how could he display his skills?

Saban missing on one guy is a corch. What does it mean when you lose multiple?

Then that means Saban is a recruiting failure. After all, if a coach should do everything he can to get a top recruit, then Saban should have allowed Winston to play baseball at Alabama. If Golden did the equivalent, a bunch of the people on here would be ripping him for losing a top recruit because he wouldn't let them play another sport. The double standard is quite amusing.