birdicane9177
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why are we still talking about this benedict arnold? let him go freeze his balls off in the north pole,and let him go languish in obscurity with the rest of the hillbillies there!
Much more to the game than speed.Restrepo is a 4.5 guy.
Worsham is a 4.8 guy...Emilien is a 4.7 guy.
We are not talking about the same thing.
Fleming is a 4.4 guy. I wouldn't want a 4.6 WR at 5'9" 160 either...but a 4.4 guy? Yeah, we're cooking with something there.
Benjamin is faster and moves effortlessly. He's a rare breed of athlete who practically glides on the field. He was more prolific after the catch too. He can shake defenders too. Fleming is more like a poor man's Dorsett.
I didn't say Stubblefield is a good coach but he is a good evaluator of WR skills. Jury is out on his coaching ability.
Much more to the game than speed.
You may be looking up still, and don’t see the sky falling. That’s because that isht fell 15 years ago, and is all around your feet, on the floor, in pieces. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here. You may have thought this was still 2002.Dumping on the kid? LOL! Ok. I don't feel bad at all at his decommit. Would have liked him but no real loss like losing Neal last year. I just laid out a scenario where the U comes out better and I look forward to that playing out. We don't need local kids, we needs kid who are talented and want to play for us.
I'm just saying the sky isn't falling.
you really think kirby and saban get guys because of personality? saban has a revolving door of a staff. they win big and pay big.
Fleming is a playmaker no question about that whatsoever, wish things could have worked out different but it is what it isGod no, Fleming has so much more make you miss than Dorsett, and may even be faster. Fleming definitely has shake
And Stubbs is a good evaluator based on WR skills based on what?
We've got local kids. The majority of the talent on the Alabama team is from Alabama the same with Georgia and even upstart Minnesota. If we can find a better kid out of state then why not get him? Local kids have no issue bailing on us.You may be looking up still, and don’t see the sky falling. That’s because that isht fell 15 years ago, and is all around your feet, on the floor, in pieces. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here. You may have thought this was still 2002.
Anyhow, if you think we don’t need local kids, you're just flat out wrong. Without top local kids, this program has zero reason to be competitive with major cfb programs. You might argue we do not need this particular local kid. But to say we do not need local kids, that’s insane.
We have 3 commits from Dade. That is not good enough.We've got local kids. The majority of the talent on the Alabama team is from Alabama the same with Georgia and even upstart Minnesota. If we can find a better kid out of state then why not get him? Local kids have no issue bailing on us.
Couldn't agree more. I hate that other schools can come down here and cherry pick talent over us.We have 3 commits from Dade. That is not good enough.
Looks like a lot of WRs that will take time to develop and have limited ceilings.
I don't think they will take too much time to develop. Restrepo, Worsham and Emilien (if he comes) are all pretty polished have faced good competition. Redding is less polished but is a grown man physically with a grown-man work ethic. We need them to play early and they should be ready.
My concern is a lack of dynamic athleticism. Those guys are more pure WRs than playmakers.
These guys look like 3rd and 4th year contributors, to me.
I'll shelve Restrepo for this post...but the players we have now or could be committed soon just don't have ++ attributes that pop and tell me they will be immediate contributors.
I like Redding III but I like him more as your WR2 in a class over a WR1. We just don't have real deal WR1, that 5* or insane 4* that is a difference maker. Right now, on the roster, we have just a bunch of guys. This years class look like a bunch of guys. Not bums or JAGS necessarily, just...guys. Nice players, but they need some development before I see NFL Draft picks.
I think we are saying the same thing here, but I'm not very optimistic here. Especially because I think Stubblefield stinks.
Do you think Flemming was an immediate contributor?
Pope and Wiggins will be third year kids next season. Harley a Sr. We do not have the speed we need to return to relevant nationally, and we are not restocking speed this cycle. As for getting kids faster, yawn. We don’t have magic pixie dust in our S&C program. Other major programs have better S&C than we do. So it matters a lot what we are starting with.Couldn't agree more. I hate that other schools can come down here and cherry pick talent over us.
BTW, I never said that i didn't want Flemming, I'm just saying if he wants to leave, it doesn't necessarily make the U worse off if we end up with a better player. Every wr doesn't have to be a 4.4 burner. We've got some fast kids already in Pope, Wiggins and Harley. And like somebody eluded to earlier, we can get kids faster.
You are right, I was trying to be polite. But when a wide receiver is going to play at either of those programs, logic requires that you ask yourself why. And it seems like addition by subtraction for UMA recruit going to Nebraska or Maryland is not losing a recruit it's actually doing you a major favor
So, I'm going to challenge this. Why? Because we have no evidence of this yet, IMO.
Its cool that you like some of his evaluations. I can see what he likes in some of these players. But, my concern, being a small and slow WR himself is that Stubblefield tends to disregard those things in some of these WRs, especially the speed aspect. Worsham and Emilien look a tick slow on film and I see them with a bit of a limited ceiling. I think they are solid prospects, but I don't like them as WR2 and WR3 in a class. Plus, I like quite a few WRs better than them, but many of those we've passed on already or the ship has sailed.
I like Restrepo as a WR more than most and honestly, I'd rate him above those two, FWIW.
God no, Fleming has so much more make you miss than Dorsett, and may even be faster. Fleming definitely has shake
And Stubbs is a good evaluator based on WR skills based on what?
Michael Irvin 6’2” 215lbs- 4.52 40 ,Jerry Rice 6’1” 200- 4.71 40 ,Brian Hightower 6’2 210 lbs- 4.54 40- Well?Hardly a plodder running a 4.40 with a 40 inch vertical at the combine.
Miami has identified and targeted skilled WRs. It's pretty obvious to see the 180 from previous coaches like Dugans who recruited raw athletes vs. Stubblefield who emphasizes route running. You can disagree with that MO but I'll point to Osborn being the best WR on this team despite lousy physical traits as evidence that skills are more important than athleticism, at least in this offense.
Worsham is a far superior talent compared to Osborn. Emilien is also in that archetype and he's much quicker than KJ out of his breaks. Jeff Thomas is a superior talent compared to Fleming. If Osborn outproduces Thomas in this offense then it follows that Worsham would outproduce Fleming to an even greater degree. That is the logic I am using and it should be straightforward unless one disagrees with those evaluations or archetypal comparisons. If the response is "Fleming is fasterrrr!!" then that's just being willfully ignorant of the traits that matter in this scheme.