Context for Aug. 24 - QB Advantage Isn't Clear Cut & Other Notes

Justin Tucker bombed exactly 1 60+ yard field goal with the Ravens in 2013. It was 61 yards.

Yet Garrett Lindholm, who booted a genuine 64 yard field goal went undrafted in 2010 and never made in past the preseason in the NFL.

Yes and he can kick a 70 yard field goal if it came down to it. You only kick a 60 yarder to win the game not to put your opponent on the 50 yard line if you miss. I know sometimes you have to think just a little outside the box. Crazy stuff here
 
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Yes and he can kick a 70 yard field goal if it came down to it. You only kick a 60 yarder to win the game not to put your opponent on the 50 yard line if you miss. I know sometimes you have to think just a little outside the box. Crazy stuff here
I always select employees for skills I'll never use.
 
I always select employees for skills I'll never use.

Let’s not get in a ****ing match over Justin tucker bc he can do more then kick the ball far. Do you also knit pick employees bc they make an accurate statement. I doubt your actually the boss of anyone but even if you are your employees probably think your an *******. Is that you Hugh Jackson?

 
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Dude, stop it. You're wrong.

He was 9-12 which is tied for 54th in the country or 6th in the ACC.

Edit: Furthermore, Michael Badgley is kicking in the NFL and he was 74% as a senior. You really should let it go. As stated above, Baxa was no where among the top 5 biggest issues last season.

The QB, offensive coaching staff, wide receivers' hands, OL, punting and ball security were much worse.

Not to mention didn’t he have to kick two field goals in the monsoon vs Duke? I remember thinking “Really richt? How did you expect that to turn out?”
 
Let’s not get in a ****ing match over Justin tucker bc he can do more then kick the ball far. Do you also knit pick employees bc they make an accurate statement. I doubt your actually the boss of anyone but even if you are your employees probably think your an *******. Is that you Hugh Jackson?


1. So there's more than just kicking the ball far.Strange, because that was the criteria you said was most important.
2. I expect a reasoned, well thought out answer, not a knee jerk dismissal of skills based on a freshman season with a pathetic offense.
3. I don't manage anymore. I haven't for close to 20 years. I enjoy working, not dealing with paperwork and politics.
4. I still hang out with a couple of former employees. The only people who thought i was an ******* were the ones I proved wrong.
 
Harder to find a kicker then a QB lol. He is a problem just not on the level of fixing the offense or the punting situation. Hopefully he improves, maybe he had something going on because kicking is somewhat mental(now y'all have me doing the maybe thing). Alabama had an equally as bad kicker but they don't have to worry about it because of their stacked offense and defense. We do not have that luxury. You are assuming he makes all these field goals and considering he even missed an extra point I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch. Once again when you take into consideration most kickers can kick a 50 yard field goal and our guy was not trusted to do so it is a problem. Im done talking about this it is pointless talking with people who think with Ifs buts and maybes instead of facts and analysis.
The are far fewer NFL kickers than NFL quarterbacks. That's a 100% fact. Also, NFL kickers have longer careers on average, than NFL quarterbacks so that means they're being replaced far less often. Just look at ANY NFL draft. Count the number of quarterbacks drafted, count the number of kickers drafted. NFL level kickers are far rarer than NFL level quarterbacks. You know little to nothing but keep yammering on, making bull**** statements that aren't backed up by facts or numbers.

Baxa was 8/9 on kicks under 40 yards. All things remaining equal, had he attempted double that amount, his over numbers would be 17/21. Over 80%. Once again, the guys with the highest percentage are the guys who have the most short yardage attempts.
 
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Objectively UF is the favorite to win on Aug. 24, but not by much. That early -7.5 line that's been put out is going to change a lot before kickoff. There are three crucial facets to this game that will determine who wins. They are QB play, line play, and which team will have more skill players that break out. Starting at the QB position, a lot of people are vastly overrating how good Felipe Franks is and how he performed last year. There's been a lot of talk about UF having a clear QB advantage over us, but I wouldn't be so quick to make that claim. On the surface, people look at Franks and think there was a massive improvement from the 2017 season to the 2018 season. Here are his main stats for both years.

Year
Comp.
Attempts
Comp. %
Yards
Avg. Per Pass
TD's
INT's
QB Rating
2018​
188​
322​
58.4%​
2,457​
7.6​
24​
6​
143.3​
2017​
125​
229​
54.6%​
1,438​
6.3​
9​
8​
113.3​

Looks pretty good right? From 2017 to 2018 there are some big differences in the stat line. Comparatively, Franks threw 45% more passes, had 71% more yards passed overall, less int's, a better QB rating, and a 21% increase in his avg. yd's per pass. Mullen's scheme put him in a better position than 2017, and Mullen's QB development is better than McElwain's by far. But, if you take a closer look at Franks "improved" stats, you'll see that they're majorly inflated by playing bad competition and that he struggled against even subpar teams. Below is Frank's 2018 stat line versus above .500 teams and against below .500/D2 teams.

Type of Team
Comp.
Attempts
Comp. %
Yards
Avg. Per Pass
TD's
INT's
QB Rating
Above .500 Teams​

101​
183​
55.2%​
1,135​
6.2​
6​
4​
75.74​
Below .500/D2 Teams​
87​
139​
62.6%​
1,322​
9.5​
18​
2​
127.45​

Overall, you can see that when playing above .500 teams (which included UK, Miss. St., LSU, UGA, Mizzou, USC, and U Mich.) Franks had 32% more attempts but had a 7.4% lower comp. %, only 46% of his overall yards passed against these teams, 67% less TD's, more INT's, and a 41% lower QB rating. To his credit, he was not an INT prone QB last year and was smart with the ball. Nevertheless, he only passed for more than 200 yards in 6 games, of which 4 were against below .500 teams. In 7 games he threw for less than 180 yards, and against UGA and Mizzou he threw for 105 yards and 84 yards a piece.

Franks has the edge with experience, having played in 25 games over the course of his career. During his two years of play though, he's proven to be a below average-average QB against teams above .500. Against teams with a Top 25 defense, he's struggled to make an impact. While our 3 QB's have little game time experience (particularly Tate and Jarren), Franks has the added advantage of playing time and an inflated stat line. You could say Franks is the better QB on playing time alone, but that would ignore his stat line against teams with a pulse. I know it's old and not relevant to Aug. 24, but I remember people saying in 2013 how Jeff Driskell was the clearly better QB than Stephen Morris. Driskell also had an inflated stat line, and he played like hot garbage against us.

There's always the possibility that if Franks doesn't deliver, Mullen could bring in Emory Jones to change up his offense. Jones though doesn't have much game time experience (similar experience to some of our QB's) and he hasn't been able to beat out Franks outright over two years. While UF has a very slight advantage at QB because of Frank's in-game experience, don't be surprised if our starting QB plays better than Franks, and if he struggles big time because of our front 7. If Tate/N'Kosi/Jarren play better than Franks/Emory, we're winning this game.

Other Notes

  • The OL advantage is a wash for both teams, at least in a direct comparison. UF's replacing 4 of their starters from last year's team, and we're trying to figure out which 5 of our guys are worth starting. Scheme-wise, our OL will benefit from Enos' offense, a big FB in Realus, and a mobile QB.

  • UF will have a solid front seven, but it won't be better than ours. We've got 3 senior and game tested LB's starting, a front four including Garvin, Hill, Nesta, Rousseau, and a number of solid rotational players. While we're losing Gerald Willis, no doubt our #1 player on the line last year, UF is losing Polite, Joseph, and a few rotational guys. They'll have an advantage in the secondary, with us losing Redwine and JJ4. If our front 7 plays to their potential, UF is going to be a one-dimensional offense. The same will be said if their front 7 play lights out. Of both, with the added advantage of in-game film and depth, we're better positioned.

  • We have a massive advantage at TE, and it isn't even close. UF's TE's did absolutely nothing last year for their offense, and Kyle Pitts (the guy who they keep saying is better than Mallory and Brevin) had 52 yards of his overall 73 yards on one TD catch against Idaho. We've got proven playmakers at this position, they don't. Simple as that.

  • At WR, both teams have talented but inexperienced guys. At the top of the depth chart, we've got the advantage here. Our top-2 receivers (right now) are Jeff Thomas and KJ Osborn. UF's top-2 receivers are Van Jefferson and Trevon Grimes. Despite being on the field more and having more opportunities to make plays, Jeff Thomas outperformed Jefferson and Grimes. He had more yards per catch, more TD's than Grimes, and more yards overall than both. KJ Osborn beat out everyone with a big stat line (though against worse competition). JT4 barely got on the field and still outperformed these guys. While UF has some talented guys behind Jefferson and Grimes, as we do, it doesn't make sense for their fans to say they have an advantage at WR. Clearly, at the top, we have the advantage.

  • Last Year, Jordan Scarlett and Lamical Perrine split reps, meaning that neither was going to stand out. With Scarlet gone, Perrine and sophomore RB Daemeon Pierce are going to be their 1-2 tandem. Perrine is a solid RB and will be a big problem for us if he gets going. Pierce is a more inexperienced guy but is a good prospect with some in-game experience. On our side, we've got Deejay, Cam'ron Davis, Lingard (hopefully), and Burns (hopefully). We've got better talent at RB than UF, but it's a wash comparing our top-2 RB's. I don't think either team is going to get much of a running game going on Aug. 24., but we've got a better shot at doing something since UF will be facing our front seven, and they won't have much film on our O.

  • Until Hedley can get on the field and prove that he's a major upgrade over Feagles and Spicer, UF has a big advantage in their punting game. Their Punter, Tommy Townsend, is miles above what we've had for the past few years. We just need Hedley to come in and be a big upgrade over the past two years of punting, we don't need him to be better than Townsend. At kicker, Baxa had a decent first year going 9/12 on FG's and 45/46 on XP's. UF doesn't have much of an edge here with their kicker Evan McPherson. Last year he was 17/19 on FG's, and 50/50 on XP's.

  • I'd need another thread to do a full analysis of both coaching staffs. At HC, Mullen obviously has an advantage over Manny being that he's been an HC for the better part of a decade. Mullen though has severely underperformed in many high stakes/ranked games, and his teams always regress after a good year. He's a solid coach, but not a world beater. He's been outcoached by guys that Manny will be better than. Our staff needs to figure out how it's going to gel, with UF's staff having coached together over the past season.


great read fam keep it up!
 
He's ****ed because we don't have a true freshman kicker booming 50 yard FGs like he's Justin Tucker.

There were 2 kickers drafted last year. DRAFTED. We're talking the best of the absolute best, obviously. Only 2 were selected in the draft.

One is the kid from Utah who went to Tampa....he was 7-10 from 40-49 yards, and 3-5 from 50+, which, to any sane person, is amazing for a college kicker. Except this lunatic, who thinks *ANY* scholarship kicker should make 75%+ from 40+. But guys who get drafted don't even do that. Our true freshman should though, or else he sucks.

The other was the Oklahoma kicker who went to Cleveland....wanna know how many kicks he made over 40 yards? One. He was 1-1, and 0-1 from 50+. He was also OU's kicker for 4 years. His freshman year, he made 78% of his kicks (18/23). His sophomore year, he made 69% of his kicks (11/16). So a kid who was drafted as one of only 2 kickers in the entire country, for his first 2 years combined, made 74% of his FGs. Bubba Baxa made 75% of his as a true freshman.

And, just since I'm bored and enjoy how triggered our freshman kicker has gotten you, the OU kicker (Austin Seibert, by the way), was 7/11 on FGs between 30-39 yards his freshman year....you know, the ones who you say should be as automatic as extra points. A kid who was drafted to kick field goals in the National Football League made less than 70% of his "automatic" kicks as a freshman at OU. But our freshman kicker, who made 75% of *ALL* his kicks.....he's a liability and should have his scholarship revoked lol. You should've went back to work like I told you to hours ago.


**** you didn't have to do em like that lol... but buddy is trippen over the kicking situation.
 
1. So there's more than just kicking the ball far.Strange, because that was the criteria you said was most important.
2. I expect a reasoned, well thought out answer, not a knee jerk dismissal of skills based on a freshman season with a pathetic offense.
3. I don't manage anymore. I haven't for close to 20 years. I enjoy working, not dealing with paperwork and politics.
4. I still hang out with a couple of former employees. The only people who thought i was an ******* were the ones I proved wrong.

Accuracy is important but when our guy is 33% beyond 40 yards, hasn’t attempted a 50 yarder when there were opportunities(might as well have tried how bad our punter was), and in his senior year of highscool he kicked under 50% that is a cause for concern. Those three facts in themselves are not knee jerk they are what they are that he has not proved much other then he is a below average kicker.
 
The are far fewer NFL kickers than NFL quarterbacks. That's a 100% fact. Also, NFL kickers have longer careers on average, than NFL quarterbacks so that means they're being replaced far less often. Just look at ANY NFL draft. Count the number of quarterbacks drafted, count the number of kickers drafted. NFL level kickers are far rarer than NFL level quarterbacks. You know little to nothing but keep yammering on, making bull**** statements that aren't backed up by facts or numbers.

Baxa was 8/9 on kicks under 40 yards. All things remaining equal, had he attempted double that amount, his over numbers would be 17/21. Over 80%. Once again, the guys with the highest percentage are the guys who have the most short yardage attempts.

That is 100% fact. Every team carries 2-3QBs because of necessity and the importance of the position, every team carries 1 kicker. When a kicker outside the top ten lose their job there is 10 others waiting to tryout. Ever played fantasy football and you don’t draft a kicker till last round because they all put up similar stats?

What does 80% on chip shot field goals have to do with me stating he can’t kick long field goals accurately. 33% on kicks over 40 yards is the key stat here. Zero 50 yarders attempted when there were opportunities. I’ve provided plenty of facts but you choose to highlight he is 80% from inside 40 yards. That is average. 33% from over 40 yards is terrible, add more kicks and the stats would most likely stay similar percentage wise. Quit making excuses we need a kicker that can kick a 40 yard field goal consistently and when we need him to step up he needs to be able to kick a 50 yarder when called upon.
 
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I think the spread is now 4.5 points.

By the way, Carlos Huerta was a walk on and one of our best ever.

Huerta attended the University of Miami, where he was a walk-on kicker for the Miami Hurricanes football team from 1988 to 1991.[3] During his four years as a starter, he led the Hurricanes in scoring.[3] He still holds the Hurricanes career records for points after touchdowns (PATs), field goals, and total points, as well as the top three season records for consecutive PATs in a season, the top four season records for field goals, and the top three season records for points scored kicking and field goals in a game.[3] As a senior in 1991, he was recognized as a consensus first-team All-American, having earned first-team honors from the Associated Press, the Walter Camp Football Foundation, Football News and The Sporting News.[3]

He graduated from the university with a bachelor's degree in business administration, and was later inducted into the University of Miami Sports Hall of Fame.[3]

While at Miami, he was given the nickname "The Iceman" because of how cool he stayed no matter what the situation.[4]
 
I'm still reserving judgment until I see proof otherwise but we've had a nasty habit of making ****** QB's look amazing in the past. We'll see if Diaz prepares differently now that he has full control of the program. I would love to see a dominant defensive performance similar to Notre Dame 2017.

We have an advantage on offense in my opinion as they won't quite know what to expect from us. Hopefully we see something like in '09 when Jacory came out guns blazing against FSU.
 
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I'm still reserving judgment until I see proof otherwise but we've had a nasty habit of making ****** QB's look amazing in the past. We'll see if Diaz prepares differently now that he has full control of the program. I would love to see a dominant defensive performance similar to Notre Dame 2017.

We have an advantage on offense in my opinion as they won't quite know what to expect from us. Hopefully we see something like in '09 when Jacory came out guns blazing against FSU.

Agreed on our Defense making ****** QB’s look great. That being said, I’m not sold Franks will light us up. We need him to be thinking about the pressure and hopefully not making plays with his legs.
 
After watching the Frank's lowlights in the tears thread I'm interested to know how many fumbles that guy. Seemed like he couldn't hold onto the ball to save his life.
 
I'm still reserving judgment until I see proof otherwise but we've had a nasty habit of making ****** QB's look amazing in the past. We'll see if Diaz prepares differently now that he has full control of the program. I would love to see a dominant defensive performance similar to Notre Dame 2017.

We have an advantage on offense in my opinion as they won't quite know what to expect from us. Hopefully we see something like in '09 when Jacory came out guns blazing against FSU.
We had the number 1 pass defense last year, so it's safe to say that ****** QB's played ****** against us
 
Uf fans read that and I believe they can only argue at the WR point. Everything else I feel is spot on and not biased

I think our argument is much stronger ...especially with the ball in his hands .....and it can be summed up in two words

Jeff Thomas
 
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