Blaming the good players

[77cane]

Fair to say Kaaya has not been what you thought he'd be before the season? Or has the bad oline been too much to overcome?

OUR OL is the worst in CFB...even D2. They are beyond pathetic. The Kehoe project has run its course. Get him out. Our OL should be nicknamed "Little sisters of the weak and frail". Not only that they embarrassed themselves with the *** grabbing pics earlier this year. SOFT AS CHARMIN.

The Defenses have no problem finding "Keholes" up and down the line.

 

[Bennubird]

Totally disagree. He was one of the most fundamentally sound high school QBs in his class, and he was better fundamentally than anyone we had on our roster except maybe for Williams.

Kaaya was raw coming out of high school. People that watched him thought a redshirt would help him. I never saw him as a 3 and out dude and he has shown improvement.

 

[LuCane]

The draft community correctly identified Erek Flowers' flaws? He was drafted 9th overall and won't turn 22 till right around the next NFL draft. It's not to say he doesn't have flaws (I think he's more of a natural RT), but perhaps I'm missing what you're saying.

I'm saying he was overrated by fans & the NFL because of his size, strength and tenacity as a run blocker when he hasn't shown the fundamentals to be a reliable pass protector in a passing league. Those traits have carried over to the pros but how you feel about him long-term is determined by your philosophy on OL development - can sloppy technique, lack of balance, etc. be corrected or not? I tend to think no but it's not impossible. If Flowers corrects his technique issues he will be an elite OL but that's a huge leap of faith for a top 10 pick imo. Granted the OL class was bad overall in 2015 but the Giants took a desperate risk with Flowers. We'll see.

Anyways, every draft scout I've read or listened to views Kaaya as a top-3 QB prospect for the future drafts and a 1st round lock. But I'm sure the fans are capable of applying context to Kaaya's traits and performance within a poorly coached mess of an offense....(not really)

On the first part, I'll repeat that I consider Flowers a natural fit at RT and I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually is placed over there.

On the second part, I've compared Kaaya to something closer to an Andy Dalton level of prospect. I get what you're saying here.

And dalton was a 2nd round pick and i think kaaya has better arm talent.

But, currently is stiffer than Dalton was coming out. Kaaya has two seasons to improve that, but some of it will be difficult to overcome. He really needs help with his feet. He needs to spend time with someone technical. It's really hard to judge his reads (predetermined) because the offense is so disjointed.

I think it's way too early to project his draft status.

 

[Angry Ibis]

How does what a player goes on to do in the NFL impact what he did not do at Miami?

Strange argument as to why we shouldn't discuss their play while actually playing for Miami.

Perhaps the issue here is:

Fans really like and appreciate good players and leaders, but some have shoved a certain player's awesomeness down others' throats and up their asses for 2 years and that player looks much more like Hackenberg Hype than Deshaun Watson production so it is possible that posters are going to discuss that gap and try to understand it.

 

[Bennubird]

True AI, but the point is that the culture, scheme, system, lack of coaching, make what should be our best players look and play pedestrian football. Blaming the players for not producing in a bad system/program should start with the system itself.

Brad isn't perfect, far from it, but his commitment to get better and attempt at leadership under a historically bad regime should cause Canes to commend him rather than to name call. Again, I agree Canes should be free to analyze and critique our players, just be fair about it.

How does what a player goes on to do in the NFL impact what he did not do at Miami?

Strange argument as to why we shouldn't discuss their play while actually playing for Miami.

Perhaps the issue here is:

Fans really like and appreciate good players and leaders, but some have shoved a certain player's awesomeness down others' throats and up their asses for 2 years and that player looks much more like Hackenberg Hype than Deshaun Watson production so it is possible that posters are going to discuss that gap and try to understand it.

 

[252cane]

The draft community correctly identified Erek Flowers' flaws? He was drafted 9th overall and won't turn 22 till right around the next NFL draft. It's not to say he doesn't have flaws (I think he's more of a natural RT), but perhaps I'm missing what you're saying.

I'm saying he was overrated by fans & the NFL because of his size, strength and tenacity as a run blocker when he hasn't shown the fundamentals to be a reliable pass protector in a passing league. Those traits have carried over to the pros but how you feel about him long-term is determined by your philosophy on OL development - can sloppy technique, lack of balance, etc. be corrected or not? I tend to think no but it's not impossible. If Flowers corrects his technique issues he will be an elite OL but that's a huge leap of faith for a top 10 pick imo. Granted the OL class was bad overall in 2015 but the Giants took a desperate risk with Flowers. We'll see.

Anyways, every draft scout I've read or listened to views Kaaya as a top-3 QB prospect for the future drafts and a 1st round lock. But I'm sure the fans are capable of applying context to Kaaya's traits and performance within a poorly coached mess of an offense....(not really)

All of that is based off of his freshman performance with the expectations of continued growth. No one has said he would be a 1st round pick if eligible after this season. The situation reminds me a lot of STEMO

Morris got worse and kaaya is getting better. Kaaya frosh numbers 3,198yds, 26tds, 12ints, 58.5% and 29 attempts a game. This season in 9 games 2,458yds, 13tds, 4ints, 61.7%, and 33 atempts this year.

And with the bowl game is projected to finish with 3,277yds, 20tds, 5ints, 61.7%.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Man ***** all that. Win a few games under adversity then I'll give em' His dues. The kid has won NO big games at UM, no comeback victories, had a chance 2 beat FSU 2 years in a row, and He failed...TWICE!!!

$H!T!, even Jacory & Stephen showed some chutzpah in their freshman years...and some of the same cats that want us to coronate Kaaya, absolutely $h!tted on Jacory & Stephen.

So *****! Kaaya until He does something!

 

[rok]

Stares down receivers

Throws off his back foot

Doesn't move around well

Does not throw a consistently good deep ball

Shows no emotion, not a good leader

11-11 record as a starter

Honestly, what's there to be excited about?

 

[DMoney]

How does what a player goes on to do in the NFL impact what he did not do at Miami?

Strange argument as to why we shouldn't discuss their play while actually playing for Miami.

Perhaps the issue here is:

Fans really like and appreciate good players and leaders, but some have shoved a certain player's awesomeness down others' throats and up their asses for 2 years and that player looks much more like Hackenberg Hype than Deshaun Watson production so it is possible that posters are going to discuss that gap and try to understand it.

The good players are not above criticism. But it has become a pattern.

1) Player A produces and the fans get excited about his obvious talent.

2) Player A doesn't produce elite stats and is attacked as "soft" and "not as good as we thought."

3) Player A gets to the pros and proves he is every bit as good as we thought.

 

[Phillyc55]

Like travis better than aldirus coming out wveryone was hyping the northwestern guys

 

[hoops156]

I've never said Kaaya was bad but he isn't the 1st round QB half the board says he is. Kaaya at this point is very average. His OL isn't perfect but no ones is. I hope with a new OC Kaaya tak s the next step. I know he is working hard and a good kid but the data doesn't suggest he is great or elite.

his OL sucks dude and has zero running game.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Morris got worse and kaaya is getting better.

So Morris & Kaaya got better & worse on their own huh?

But why did dorsey win? You think dorsey would have been a winner with this coaching staff and surrounding cast?

 

[252cane]

Stares down receivers

Throws off his back foot

Doesn't move around well

Does not throw a consistently good deep ball

Shows no emotion, not a good leader

11-11 record as a starter

Honestly, what's there to be excited about?

Just because he doesn't show emotion he isn't a good leader? People said the same thing about eli manning and now he has 2 super bowls. Most college qbs have issues with consistently throwing the deep ball, that's something nfl people talk about with these college offenses now.

Phillip rivers is a statue in the pocket and it hasn't stopped him from having a long career. Throwing off back foot can be easily fixed with continued work on mechanics. Anything else?

 

[frostycane]

Stares down receivers

Throws off his back foot

Doesn't move around well

Does not throw a consistently good deep ball

Shows no emotion, not a good leader

11-11 record as a starter

Honestly, what's there to be excited about?

I'm not overly concerned about record here. But when you talk about mechanics, arm strength etc. I am completely with you on this. He is great on any play that the first read is open. He does not know how to see that a player will be open in three more strides, ideally while the ball is in the air. As in he does not throw guys open. He almost instantly checks down to the rb.
I got hammered for this in the preseason, but he does not have the arm strength to throw the wide side of the field. Its almost always a back shoulder throw. Which requires the wr to make the play for the qb.
Not sure if he checks out of plays or not, it looks like he does. But half the time he checks to a run right into the blitz. Zero hot routes, unless its a free play..lol
Kids runs like a 40 yr old Manning and he's only 19. And boy is he scared to take a hit and deliver a throw....Not that any qb likes it, but some take it better than others and that separates the great ones....

I say the jury is out. He does not have a qb coach that is actually teaching him anything. The offense he plays in is absolute garbage. And he is playing behind a terrible OL. He is heady, smart, and he has the tools to be a really good college qb. Which, is what we are really worried about.

 

[rok]

If this team had good leadership on the part of the players they wouldn't have given up 59 points on Saturday. There was no reason why they should've gone out there and gotten completely brutalized. Will be shocked if they win another game this season in all honesty. They've officially mailed it in like they typically do late in the season. **** them all.

 

[Andrew]

The draft community correctly identified Erek Flowers' flaws? He was drafted 9th overall and won't turn 22 till right around the next NFL draft. It's not to say he doesn't have flaws (I think he's more of a natural RT), but perhaps I'm missing what you're saying.

I'm saying he was overrated by fans & the NFL because of his size, strength and tenacity as a run blocker when he hasn't shown the fundamentals to be a reliable pass protector in a passing league. Those traits have carried over to the pros but how you feel about him long-term is determined by your philosophy on OL development - can sloppy technique, lack of balance, etc. be corrected or not? I tend to think no but it's not impossible. If Flowers corrects his technique issues he will be an elite OL but that's a huge leap of faith for a top 10 pick imo. Granted the OL class was bad overall in 2015 but the Giants took a desperate risk with Flowers. We'll see.

Anyways, every draft scout I've read or listened to views Kaaya as a top-3 QB prospect for the future drafts and a 1st round lock. But I'm sure the fans are capable of applying context to Kaaya's traits and performance within a poorly coached mess of an offense....(not really)

All of that is based off of his freshman performance with the expectations of continued growth. No one has said he would be a 1st round pick if eligible after this season. The situation reminds me a lot of STEMO

Morris got worse and kaaya is getting better. Kaaya frosh numbers 3,198yds, 26tds, 12ints, 58.5% and 29 attempts a game. This season in 9 games 2,458yds, 13tds, 4ints, 61.7%, and 33 atempts this year.

And with the bowl game is projected to finish with 3,277yds, 20tds, 5ints, 61.7%.

You aren't factoring the opponents left which will make his numbers drop slightly. He also is not on a 7 to 1 TD/INT projection.

 

[Andrew]

I've never said Kaaya was bad but he isn't the 1st round QB half the board says he is. Kaaya at this point is very average. His OL isn't perfect but no ones is. I hope with a new OC Kaaya tak s the next step. I know he is working hard and a good kid but the data doesn't suggest he is great or elite.

his OL sucks dude and has zero running game.

Quantify that in some sort of data.

 

[FireSwasey]

Losing for a decade sucks.

In the midst of this pain, Miami fans have picked up a dumb habit. When things go wrong, we blame our good players for "not being as good as we hyped them to be." Then, when these same guys get to the NFL, they turn out to be even better than we ever hoped.

Calais Campbell- Low-motor, plays too high, slow, glorified cheerleader.
Greg Olsen- Soft, chokes in big games, average hands.
Travis Benjamin- Soft, can't run routes.
Allen Bailey- JAG, stiff.
Orlando Franklin- Dumb, belongs in the CFL.

Last year, Duke Johnson was the target. Now he's making TD catches on Thursday Night Football. This year, people are choosing to dump on Brad Kaaya.

Hopefully, the new coach turns this around fast. It would be nice to appreciate Kaaya while he's still in a Canes uniform.

This list could be 5x as long too of fans blaming players. Even if the players aren't that good, you should still blame the coaches bc thats who brought them in. A kid chooses to play for Miami and you trash him? Makes no sense, these guys aren't professionals and they don't get paid.

 

[MiamiManiac]

Most of the ones bashing the players love the corches. Players play and coaches are supposed to put players in position to make plays. Everyone complains about Coley and his terrible play calling, game time adjustments, etc...but then come back and get on the players.

 

[FireSwasey]

Dmoney, I am a canes fan. What the guys in your OP went on to do in the pros is great, but that is hardly relevant, or information that renders criticism wrong. None of those guys were all americans or national award winners, and none of those guys ever won 10 games here. Don't let your own standard of excellence deteriorate along with the athletic department and board of trustees.

Please let the board know how a kid is supposed to both teach himself the game and call the plays. Have u ever played ball? Have u ever been coached? Dudes hve to be taught the game. Its not learned thru osmosis.