wspcane said:

Yes. Alabama after Stallings until Saban, Nebraska from 01 to now, Notre Dame from 93 to 2012 other than a year or two, Georgia from the early 80s until Richt, Tennessee.

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USCw, twice. A bad period between the end of John Robinson’s first tour early 80s until Pete Carroll. The post-Carroll until now with Lincoln Riley, or so it seems so far. The Trojans had some decent seasons while down - Clay Helton won a Rose Bowl - but it can be done.

Middle Tennessee was rock bottom. Duke and FSU are relapses.

If you know, you know.

I'll get negged for this, but some on here didn't want Dorsey as OC because he lacked experience; yea that was a big problem in Buffalo huh? Fan expectations are never reasonable, that is why we are FAN-atics.

Yes we need a new OC, but most on this board won't accept the fact that what you are looking at is a retread / redemption OC or an up and coming OC from the G5 ranks. THAT is who we are at this point.

Couldn’t agree more. 07 canes were lousy but they did beat up a ranked aTm team near the end of the year and also won at FSU. This team is much worse which is hard to believe

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Lol at the tweets at King. One ******* goes we thought you were going to be elite at Miami. Boy were we wrong. King single handed was the reason Miami won as many games as they did in 2020. Wasn’t his fault he was rushed back in 2021.

Mklein13 said:

Lol at the tweets at King. One ******* goes we thought you were going to be elite at Miami. Boy were we wrong. King single handed was the reason Miami won as many games as they did in 2020. Wasn’t his fault he was rushed back in 2021.

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Those people should be lobotomized.

Notsince1985 said:

2007 wasn't this bad. 1997 wasn't this bad. Enter year here (since the late 70s) and it wasn't this bad.

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Take the worst of 2018-2019, and 2007 and you have this season.

JeddTheFisch said:

Those people should be lobotomized.

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Yep people are the worst sometimes

Mklein13 said:

Lol at the tweets at King. One ******* goes we thought you were going to be elite at Miami. Boy were we wrong. King single handed was the reason Miami won as many games as they did in 2020. Wasn’t his fault he was rushed back in 2021.

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The D'Eriq King disrespect from this fan base is a travesty, but very much par for the course.

And a classic example of why our fans are viewed they way they are Nationally.

The absolute bottom of the fckin barrel smh

Liberty City El said:

The D'Eriq King disrespect from this fan base is a travesty, but very much par for the course.

And a classic example of why our fans are viewed they way they are Nationally.

The absolute bottom of the fckin barrel smh

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Literally ****es me off. True definition of what a Miami player should be. Idiots expected him to throw for 4000 yards and run for 1500 in a shortened season. My favorite player to come through this program since Berrios, The Duke, and Perryman.

The reason we were predicted to win 9 games was also becasue of how weak the schedule was in fact this was one of the weakest schedules we have played in the history of the program

Rock bottom would be now people can truly see how bad mario is as a coach under the spotlight and he starts losing recruits then we are completely fuucked were not even close to rock bottom sad part is if mario never left when goldem hired him i think this program would of changed years ago

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I know this is crazy but I almost feel like Mario isn’t trying to win.
The only possible motivation for that would be to convince recruits that they can play immediately becuase the players in front of them are garbage.
But the flip side is that it seems losing this much would tell recruits and families that UM doesn’t have the staff to coach them. Maybe in the NIL world this doesn’t matter as much as the money. We will find out.

I sincerely can’t find another explanation for how bad we are other than we are not trying to win. I know many will say the explanation is that Mario sucks, but he did not suck like this at Oregon. Either did Steele, Gattis, Addae, Field, or any other coach at their previous jobs. Not even close.

So let me ask the unthinkable. Is it possible we are intentionally tanking?

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No he just is that bad

AtlAtty said:

I know this is crazy but I almost feel like Mario isn’t trying to win.
The only possible motivation for that would be to convince recruits that they can play immediately becuase the players in front of them are garbage.
But the flip side is that it seems losing this much would tell recruits and families that UM doesn’t have the staff to coach them. Maybe in the NIL world this doesn’t matter as much as the money. We will find out.

I sincerely can’t find another explanation for how bad we are other than we are not trying to win. I know many will say the explanation is that Mario sucks, but he did not suck like this at Oregon. Either did Steele, Gattis, Addae, Field, or any other coach at their previous jobs. Not even close.

So let me ask the unthinkable. Is it possible we are intentionally tanking?

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I actually had this thought going through my head more than once.

Sure, it sounds absolutely pathetic from a perspective on the outside. Theres no draft and no benefit from being bad in college football. Recruiting takes a beating and fans won't come to the games. Thats just a fact.

However, when I look at how we play, it looks like we have checked out. As if we are playing games just to play them and get over with them. Mario right now is just looking at who has it, who can be planned with for the future, and who can take his butt to the portal. One of them is already going, it seems, so theres that.

And it would explain the recruiting class sticking together as they do. Mario surely must have told them that they will be part of a massive roster purge. Andrew Rodgers from MSU was hired and his job at MSU was to identify transfer portal targets, which they got en masse in 2021. The same will be happening here.

But the main part will be the coaching. This staff, the way its structured now, will not be the staff we have moving forward, unless we make a complete identity shift, especially on offense.

Mirabal didn't turn into a JAG overnight, just like Steele and Strong didn't turn into JAG defensive coaches.

But the players who come here in the future absolutely want to see a vision schematically. They are not stupid.

This is the worst team I’ve seen in 22 years

Bender said:

I actually had this thought going through my head more than once.

Sure, it sounds absolutely pathetic from a perspective on the outside. Theres no draft and no benefit from being bad in college football. Recruiting takes a beating and fans won't come to the games. Thats just a fact.

However, when I look at how we play, it looks like we have checked out. As if we are playing games just to play them and get over with them. Mario right now is just looking at who has it, who can be planned with for the future, and who can take his butt to the portal. One of them is already going, it seems, so theres that.

And it would explain the recruiting class sticking together as they do. Mario surely must have told them that they will be part of a massive roster purge. Andrew Rodgers from MSU was hired and his job at MSU was to identify transfer portal targets, which they got en masse in 2021. The same will be happening here.

But the main part will be the coaching. This staff, the way its structured now, will not be the staff we have moving forward, unless we make a complete identity shift, especially on offense.

Mirabal didn't turn into a JAG overnight, just like Steele and Strong didn't turn into JAG defensive coaches.

But the players who come here in the future absolutely want to see a vision schematically. They are not stupid.

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I I think you are spot on. The rest of this season (and likely the last few weeks) seem like an audition for current players as to who will still be with the program next year, and a sales job to the recruiting class. I don’t think we are trying to lose as much as winning and losing this season is simply not Mario’s primary concern.
And frankly it’s probably an audition for the staff as to who will have their contract renewed. I don’t know hat to think about Gattis. My gut tells me that Mario is likely to keep him next year because Mario seems a little slow to move off of things in which he belIeves. But I hope I am worng becuase even with better personnel, Gattis’ play construciton on passing plays leaves much to be desired. As an example, Lashlee schemeed up 1-2 TD’s per game last year. Not tough catches or a RB breaking 5 tackles to score. I’m talking about 1-2 plays where the receiver was just wide open; Rooster on the 4th down play, Mallory on the flea flicker, Brashard Smith on the wheel route just to name a few. I haven’t seen a single offense I’ve play call this season wherein I felt like the scheme or play design created that result.

Let’s hope we are both correct because the alternative is that a bunch of successful coaches are now incompetent and UM paid a lot of money for incompetence.

The 97 team at least has an excuse. Probation had taken a 25 scholarship hit in 96 and 97. UM was in the process of rebuilding what would become a NC team. Mario has a full scholarship team and has done nothing to show he is rebuilding any kind of powerhouse team capable of winning a NC.

DMoney said:

The only difference between this team and 2007 is that the 2022 team has better players and more money. Florida State isn’t even a dominant opponent. They will finish with four to five losses. Two years ago, we beat them like they beat us. The difference is we have gotten worse in every aspect.

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...which was their first season under Mike Norvell, who went 3-6 in 2020 and was 3-6 in 2021 when Florida State got their win over Miami—a 6-12 combined record with a home loss to Jacksonville State to absorb weeks prior.

It's now year three under Mike Norvell and while they're not a "dominant" opponent, they're nowhere near the slouches they have been those first few years. This is becoming his football and he's looking like the guy Florida State hired him to be—after two years of our fans laughing at the Noles and saying they were stuck with him after buying out Willie Taggart, etc. —give him a lifetime contract, Norvell sucks and what not.

This year has been a complete abortion for Mario and it will get worse with three games remaining. The Canes are most-likely looking at 5-7 on the year, no bowl game and an off-season that will start Thanksgiving weekend, where heads will most-likely roll with some personnel turnover and a push to get a lot of kids out of here and to the portal.

Yes, we're all tired of irrelevancy, but Diaz did this program not favors with what he left behind for Mario and this new high-priced staff. There are some world class slugs on this team and mentally-broken kids who are not wired to deal with a hard-*** coach and to rebuild a program. He's going to have to flush all of that out this off-season and build a roster of kids who want to work hard and play hard come September 2023.

Curious to see what kind of team Miami looks like this time 2024, as the difference between Norvell's Noles in 2020 and this current team of his are night and day.

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I don’t know hat to think about Gattis. My gut tells me that Mario is likely to keep him next year because Mario seems a little slow to move off of things in which he belIeves. But I hope I am worng becuase even with better personnel, Gattis’ play construciton on passing plays leaves much to be desired.

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I think the x-factor has to be the personality and truth to rumors that Gattis is icing out Ponce and not letting the quarterback's coach and passing game coordinator do what he was hired to do. If there is that kind of friction here in year one, Mario might have to move faster than normal and admit he has problem on his hand staff-wise and make some year two changes he probably wished he could wait until year three to make.

SouthParkCane said:

Blind faith is not fandom. And that’s what you all are victims of. You hired a better coach this time around for sure. But you used the same approach to find him. There was never another interview. Google the definition of insanity. Too soon to say Mario will never work. But I know for a FACT there are much better coaches we could have had for cheaper. We just keep doing the same thing over and over to ourselves

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I agree with you, however I don’t see Ruiz and gang spending all the money if they had done a legit search.

Just my opinion of course.

If they were willing to spend , do improvements etc for a coaching search, then we should have went that route.