Stevo365 said:

Please check out the latest film review going deep into the make up of this game.

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Excellent work Stevo ... keep up the real story. Overall we played like crap, but it was not for lack of effort. 'Bama's 5 Stars on offense and Defense got away with some egregious non-calls (holding, Targeting and PI's). It works that way when you get little to no push on Offense and you miss so many tackles on Defense.

paksat said:

preachhhh i've been "hatin" on king since he got here, tired of people hyping this dude up to be something he's not. He's going undrafted at this rate, think about that.

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Bull hockey ...

Swampcity said:

Bull hockey ...

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so you think the nfl is interested in a 5 foot 8 quarterback that has done nothing against all his legit competition whom also has accuracy issues?

I stand corrected

Swampcity said:

Excellent work Stevo ... keep up the real story. Overall we played like crap, but it was not for lack of effort. 'Bama's 5 Stars on offense and Defense got away with some egregious non-calls (holding, Targeting and PI's). It works that way when you get little to no push on Offense and you miss so many tackles on Defense.

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appreciate you bro checking it out !

scrantoncane said:

31 was lining up in 5-tech and got around Scaife like his feet were in cement boots. Normally this would open up the middle, but there was nothing there because our guards are physically weak and because Bama's LBs are smart and athletic and filled the right gap basically every time.

Again, we just didn't have the horses, and most teams don't. That was a different brand of football.

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From the time Oluwasseun entered the ol actually held up pretty good. There’s a reason we moved the ball pretty well from then on.

As far as the game plan, offensively I question the personnel. Harris/Mallory/Rambo/Harley/Smith isn't a scary lineup. Rambo is overrated and a non-factor (I said that when we got him & said I would've rathered Samauri Tourre who went to Nebraska. Rambo was being phased out at Oklahoma for a reason). X-Man did more when he got in than Harley could (and King looked for him often). Mallory is another non-factor. Chaney is clearly better than Harris, and it isn't close IMO.

Our screen game is terrible. Again, personnel plays a part. Why are screens going to Harris or Mallory? Why don't we ever run bubble screens or tunnel screens?

I am not sure what the idea of running into the stacked box was. I especially don't get the 3rd & 7. The RPO isn't as scary if you don't have the threat of King taking off, and he clearly isn't 100% (whether it is physically or mentally). Granted, King handed off in the RPO a few times when he shouldn't have, but in general I don't like relying on RPO when the defense is as disciplined and fast as Bama is. That split second where King has to make a decision doesn't work as well when 31 is coming off the edge and Donaldson is being pushed back into you.

Defensively, I get why people are ragging on the soft zone. I would guess the game plan was to try to confuse a young QB and force him to make the proper reads. He did, and he beat us. It was an uphill battle from the start, and you have to try something. The poise Young showed was unreal, especially after the reports out of Bama fall camp were that Young was having timing issues and struggling a bit.

I didn't get to watch SteveO's whole clip yet, but the part I did see highlights Bubba ******* up on an A-gap blitz. Had Young for a sack, didn't make it. The tackling was horrendous all day. I suppose you can blame the coaches for that if you want, but to me the players have to go out and execute.

We were outclassed. I think D$ said it on the podcast - the key is to not let Bama beat you twice.

scrantoncane said:

I wouldn't say he had plenty of time. And as I said earlier, by mid-2nd quarter, he was tucking it if his first read was covered bc the pocket was collapsing on him all day.

I totally agree King is limited and can be inaccurate. I've posted it many times starting last year, including a PFF breakdown of his deep ball this off-season. My point was that there wasn't time or space to hit crossers and deep passes in this game. No time because of the insane pressure and our weak (physically and rhetorically) OL. No space because Saban's game plan was to jam our small WRs at the LOS and rely on the front 4 to get pressure (which they did), allowing the LBs and safeties to create havoc. There was just nowhere to go. It was more on the OL than King, IMO.

When King had time, I thought he did a good job. Forced it a few times (1 got picked off), but for the most part if guys were open King didn't have time to go through his progressions.

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Trust me he had more than enough time on drop backs. We moved the well pretty **** well after 70 entered. He goes though progressions slowly so fans jump on the ol but sometimes he’s causing sacks. He’ll also leave the pocket early , he did that alot last year.

Cribby said:

From the time Oluwasseun entered the ol actually held up pretty good. There’s a reason we moved the ball pretty well from then on.

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Oluwassen did play okay. The 2nd half of the 3rd quarter was mostly against backups tho, until Bama fumbled and then brought their starters back in.

I think it was bad personnel on offense the whole game. I think Chaney & X got their first snaps late in the 2nd quarter when the game was out of reach already. They coached scared and they got exposed for it.

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Oluwassen did play okay. The 2nd half of the 3rd quarter was mostly against backups tho, until Bama fumbled and then brought their starters back in.

I think it was bad personnel on offense the whole game. I think Chaney & X got their first snaps late in the 2nd quarter when the game was out of reach already. They coached scared and they got exposed for it.

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Bama kept their starters in pretty late.

Cribby said:

Trust me he had more than enough time on drop backs. We moved the well pretty **** well after 70 entered. He goes though progressions slowly so fans jump on the ol but sometimes he’s causing sacks. He’ll also leave the pocket early , he did that alot last year.

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Cribby said:

Trust me he had more than enough time on drop backs. We moved the well pretty **** well after 70 entered. He goes though progressions slowly so fans jump on the ol but sometimes he’s causing sacks. He’ll also leave the pocket early , he did that alot last year.

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Agree to disagree. I watched the film this morning. Our OL was awful, King had nothing.

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Trust me he had more than enough time on drop backs. We moved the well pretty **** well after 70 entered. He goes though progressions slowly so fans jump on the ol but sometimes he’s causing sacks. He’ll also leave the pocket early , he did that alot last year.

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Here are some PFF numbers. I don't know how anyone can put this on King and not the OL.

scrantoncane said:

Here are some PFF numbers. I don't know how anyone can put this on King and not the OL.

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Scaife pass block grade is a 1.7 LOLOL. All our starters were below 60%. He had no time. The film and the numbers both show it.

This kid is talented. Lots of good Canes content creators out there. Now if the team could play worth a **** we'd be good.

cooks002 said:

This kid is talented. Lots of good Canes content creators out there. Now if the team could play worth a **** we'd be good.

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Yeah, @Stevo365 sorry to highjack your thread. Your work is excellent, as usual.

scrantoncane said:

As far as the game plan, offensively I question the personnel. Harris/Mallory/Rambo/Harley/Smith isn't a scary lineup. Rambo is overrated and a non-factor (I said that when we got him & said I would've rathered Samauri Tourre who went to Nebraska. Rambo was being phased out at Oklahoma for a reason). X-Man did more when he got in than Harley could (and King looked for him often). Mallory is another non-factor. Chaney is clearly better than Harris, and it isn't close IMO.

Our screen game is terrible. Again, personnel plays a part. Why are screens going to Harris or Mallory? Why don't we ever run bubble screens or tunnel screens?

I am not sure what the idea of running into the stacked box was. I especially don't get the 3rd & 7. The RPO isn't as scary if you don't have the threat of King taking off, and he clearly isn't 100% (whether it is physically or mentally). Granted, King handed off in the RPO a few times when he shouldn't have, but in general I don't like relying on RPO when the defense is as disciplined and fast as Bama is. That split second where King has to make a decision doesn't work as well when 31 is coming off the edge and Donaldson is being pushed back into you.

Defensively, I get why people are ragging on the soft zone. I would guess the game plan was to try to confuse a young QB and force him to make the proper reads. He did, and he beat us. It was an uphill battle from the start, and you have to try something. The poise Young showed was unreal, especially after the reports out of Bama fall camp were that Young was having timing issues and struggling a bit.

I didn't get to watch SteveO's whole clip yet, but the part I did see highlights Bubba ******* up on an A-gap blitz. Had Young for a sack, didn't make it. The tackling was horrendous all day. I suppose you can blame the coaches for that if you want, but to me the players have to go out and execute.

We were outclassed. I think D$ said it on the podcast - the key is to not let Bama beat you twice.

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Go back and finish reviewing Stevo's breakdown. It will challenge some of your previous thoughts.

scrantoncane said:

Scaife pass block grade is a 1.7 LOLOL. All our starters were below 60%. He had no time. The film and the numbers both show it.

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PFF will have you thinking bad players are good and good players are bad, I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick personally

paksat said:

PFF will have you thinking bad players are good and good players are bad, I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick personally

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Maybe, but a 1.7 woman doesn't become a 10 just because a guy with bad taste labels her a 1.7

paksat said:

so you think the nfl is interested in a 5 foot 8 quarterback that has done nothing against all his legit competition whom also has accuracy issues?

I stand corrected

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Who in the he'll cares about the NFL? I'm speaking to the player abilities of a College QB. Without question if we had 5-6 more D' Kings at various positions on this team we would easily be 14-1 by seasons end.

scrantoncane said:

And UNC didn’t play them the year they went 7-6 and lost by less than 7 every game.

Idk what point you are trying to make. We aren’t in Bamas league. Most ppl here understand that.

My point is you can’t gauge how good this team is if you compare it to Bama. No coach could’ve won with those matchups. I think we can run the table (I don’t think we will, but we certainly can) until the ACCCG.

Yea, we need better recruits. Yeah, you get them by winning. If we rattle off 10 straight vs the teams we are SUPPOSED TO beat, recruits will take notice. Maybe next year we get three 5* instead of 2. Whether it’s manny or someone else, you gotta win to sell the top talent on coming here.

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You're still chatting **** because its a recurriing problem for 3 years now. Not to mention Diaz is into his 6th year. If the team aint some garbage ACC team or below power 5, the game is over by the start of the 2nd qtr. UNC, OK St, FIU, La Tech, Duke. None of them are Bama. You are painting a false image like we play Bama every season or thats the only game we got rag dolled. Disingenuous

We are a good team. What we don't have is the big play element on either side of the ball. Nobody could make a big play in a big game when it mattered. No truly elite players. Without that, no defense will fear you.

But the young guys balled out. I've got high hopes for Kinchens, Williams, X man, Keyshawn, Flagg and Chantz. These young guy made plays on the big stage. Even if it was against back ups. Our young guys are backups too so they'll be playing these same guys in the future.

And here's a scary thought for the rest of the football world, Tyreke and T'cory are only sophomores.

Enjoy the ride. Our best days are still in front of us.

We're going to be ok, even if its not with Manny.

But I hope it is.