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When you guys watched Mendoza, did you really think "Oh, yeah, this guy should be the #1 overall pick in the draft!!!!"

BRockCane98 said:
I don't see how the QB class sucking or being amazing is relevant to one's evaluation of Mendoza. Either you think he can successfully play NFL QB or not. If you think he can he's worth a high 1st round pick. If you don't think he can.......it doesn't mater if no QB is better. Selecting a player who is incapable of playing their position is never a way to make a team better. Yes QB's obviously the most important position on the team so maybe you.....

-Trade #1 overall for a bunch of picks.
-Select other players you do like who will play their positions at a high level
-Trade for Jameis Winston as he's a fun QB for fans to watch during a rebuild
-Trade for Joe Milton, idk if Cowboys would want to give him up (Stephen Jones is no dummy but Jerry kind of is), and get a QB coach who you think can turn him into something amazing as lord knows he has the physical tools
-Reassess after the coming season
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Jameis Winston and Joe Milton???

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Cane30 said:
I am mostly in agreement with your post. Mendoza is a NFL QB without question, I just wouldn't want to be a team drafting a early 1st RD QB in this draft and maybe even next year. I really don't believe he is a NFL starter. I think he would have been the 6th or 7th QB chosen in the draft 2 years ago. Evaluating a QB for the draft is a really hard thing to do. Systems and fits have a lot to do with success. He is going to be a day 1 starter and I personally don't like it. I could be completely wrong. I wish QB's got to sit a year or 2 like they use to years ago.
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If that is your evaluation of Mendoza then trade the #1 pick and get a **** ton of assets, especially in the offensive line.
 
He gets his balls licked because he is from South Florida on here. He got his balls licked by the media because he played a soft *** schedule and sat behind an offense that ran for 3300 yards on the ground, with 2 1k backs.. Mendoza wasn't carrying that team. We didn't loose because he lit us up. We lost because of poor tackling and poor effort on the punt block team. Carson should've never been in position to make that throw. Put Cam on this years team and his stats woul've crushed Mendoza and so would his game. You wanna know what a great QB looks like. You had one last season. Dude won the Heisman this year because nobody else played for **** and they didn't want to give it to JJ.
 
Tough kid. Seems like a good dude and quality teammate. Otherwise, the least impressive Heisman season since Eric Crouch. Average arm. Average to below average athleticism. He’s a willing runner but he’s got a lot of baby giraffe to his running style. He played in a very run heavy offensive system that didn’t ask him to make multiple reads or different route patterns. Just a ton of RPO and back shoulder 50/50 balls. Maybe he’s a more skilled passer but Indiana’s offense didn’t showcase it.
 
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Fantastic point.

Great coaching elevates players. Indiana's staff has already shown that they will do that. Rourke wasn't an impressive talent and they made him look great. If Indiana was a little better last year people would have been calling for Rourke to be drafted in the 1st round. He played okay in their loss to Notre Dame, 20-33 for 215 with 2 TD's and 1 INT, especially when you consider they had no running game and ND's offense was putting pressure on Indiana to put up points.

Add in Mendoza's personality/media training and the "heart warming tale of him returning home to win a championship vs his childhood team" and you get the media and all kinds of people screaming for him to be the 1-1.
 
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PIPO said:
Jameis Winston and Joe Milton???

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Milton is a project. Just cause he isn't from south Florida, doesn't get media worship, and doesn't create ethnic allegiance for you, doesn't remove the fact that his physical talent dwarfs Mendoza's.
 
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PIPO said:
How do you not have a comp? You seem to know everything that is bad with Mendoza.

I also judge it on what he did at Cal.

Ok - we shall see. If Brady and the Raiders don’t take him #1, well then, I guess I will be wrong.

We can revisit this conversation for the next 5 years starting with the end of the 2026 NFL season.
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Brady's making that pick? He owns 5% of the team. Mark Davis is the owner and will make the final decision. I don't care either way though what some dumb team does. The acid test is what he actually does on the field.

If Mendoza is gonna be even somewhat successful he needs to be picked by a team with a good roster. He was a game manager in college. Putting him on a bad roster is a recipe for disaster.
 
BRockCane98 said:
You're drafting a guy at 1-1 based on a QB draw? And no one is advocating Carson Beck go 1-1 or even the 1st round.

Sometimes the QB class just isn't very good. It's possible that no QB's are worth a top 10 or even 1st round pick.
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Not just the draw, he is a pretty mistake free guy, not spectacular, just the best of the QB in my opinion. Number 1 because the raiders have terrible QB luck. I don’t see any player that jumps out as Superman in this draft. I haven’t seen a completely dominating game changer this year. Now Jeremiah Smith was in this draft, he is a dominant player. Now if we had Cam Ward this year, we would be undefeated and in the conversation as one of the greatest teams.
 
jed1250 said:
Not just the draw, he is a pretty mistake free guy, not spectacular, just the best of the QB in my opinion. Number 1 because the raiders have terrible QB luck. I don’t see any player that jumps out as Superman in this draft. I haven’t seen a completely dominating game changer this year. Now Jeremiah Smith was in this draft, he is a dominant player. Now if we had Cam Ward this year, we would be undefeated and in the conversation as one of the greatest teams.
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Let's not assume the Raiders will pick him. Brady knows QB play and if he is not impressed by Mendoza they will trade down or pick the best OT or DE. To me that will be very telling. As a fan, I can't see Mendoza being a #1 pick or even a first round pick for that matter. I am curious to see if actual NFL people agree.
 
“He can’t play at the FBS level”

“He can’t play at Miami”

“He’s just doing what Indiana did last year and not elevating anything”

“He’s the worst Heisman ever”

“He only played average in his national championship win”

“He doesn’t deserve the #1 pick”

At this rate, people in here will be starting threads about how he shouldn’t be in Canton.

Just tip your cap. Everybody here was wrong. I was bullish on him since high school and I was still way wrong about his ceiling.

Mendoza won everything possible last season and ran over our best LB on the biggest play of the game. This all feels like sour grapes and loser talk.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Milton is a project. Just cause he isn't from south Florida, doesn't get media worship, and doesn't create ethnic allegiance for you, doesn't remove the fact that his physical talent dwarfs Mendoza's.
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Ethnic allegiance?!?! What the **** is that supposed to mean?

I am not even Cuban so are you saying I am propping him up because Mendoza is Cuban?

I see what I see and Joe Milton ******* sucks!! He played 6 years in college, started only 1 out of those 6 years and had a decent 6th year at Tennessee.

GTFOH!
 
BRockCane98 said:
Brady's making that pick? He owns 5% of the team. Mark Davis is the owner and will make the final decision. I don't care either way though what some dumb team does. The acid test is what he actually does on the field.

If Mendoza is gonna be even somewhat successful he needs to be picked by a team with a good roster. He was a game manager in college. Putting him on a bad roster is a recipe for disaster.
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You can say that about any QB. Look at Cam at Tennessee- bad offense surrounds him and he struggles.

And yes, Davis better let Brady have some input regarding the 1st pick, especially if they are going QB.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Milton is a project. Just cause he isn't from south Florida, doesn't get media worship, and doesn't create ethnic allegiance for you, doesn't remove the fact that his physical talent dwarfs Mendoza's.
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What “ethnic allegiance” did the Heisman voters have?

What “ethnic allegiance” do the NFL GMs have?

Who beat him this year in college, on the field? Anybody?

People just don’t want to admit how badly they got this one wrong. It’s embarrassing.
 
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BRockCane98 said:
Can anyone find a clip of him making an off platform throw? I've looked throw several highlight videos and I'm not seeing it

Against Miami what did he do?

-Took easy stop route throws against off coverage
-Hit a one read RPO
-Made two back shoulder throws which while solid are throws that are largely dependent on the WR making adjustments. That's the one route he does throw fairly well.
-Few swing routes?
-Am I forgetting something?

Indiana is extremely well coached. They do a lot at the LOS with CWM's to make things as easy as possible for the offense in general which obviously effects the QB. Yes their coaches are smarter than ours are just about anyone else's. Indiana hired a coach who clearly has what most people would consider to be "personality defects". Mildly autistic. Aspergers? Call it what you want. He's hired coaches who are smart not a collection of former jocks. Yes mot played football but that's not really why he hired them. They are smart people, an SD or so above most of the opposing coordinators they face, They call plays that make it easy for him and make adjustments at the LOS that make it easy for them. It wasn't the case at Cal and it won't be the case in the NFL.

Skillset;
-Mendoza doesn't throw on the move very well or at least hasn't shown the ability to do it.
-He hasn't shown the ability to actually make real progressions
-The arm talent is okay but nothing exceptional
-Mobility is decent but nothing incredible
-Prototype size
-So everyone doesn't get upset.....yes he's shown toughness

I honestly don't know why anyone thinks he is worth a 1st rounder. The guy has never shown msot of the key traits you need to be successful in the NFL. Well actually I do.....media hype and his association with a 16-0 national champ. The fact that he was mostly a game manager on said team; eh we can all disregard that. That's why we'll see statements like "He's a winner" as if that's a thing. Why didn't he win at Cal?

Go watch a highlight tape of Cam Ward and compare it with Mendoza's. Watch Joe Burrow make off platform throws, avoid the rush while keeping his eyes down field, and flash A level arm talent. Go watch Jared Goff, an absurd comparison I've seen, and you'll see that Goff processed at an extremely high level in a far more complex timing based offense. If you can't see the difference between those four guys I don't know what to tell you.

I think NFL coaching staffs will be extremely unimpressed with his workouts and the actual evaluations they do once they put his college career under a microscope. But this decision won't be theirs to make. Owners and many GM's, largely rich dummies, have become enamored with him because of media coverage and will bully their coach into a pick they don't want to make.
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Yeah - this guy sucks. Can’t make off platform throws, blah, blah, blah…..

 
DMoney said:
“He can’t play at the FBS level”

“He can’t play at Miami”

“He’s just doing what Indiana did last year and not elevating anything”

“He’s the worst Heisman ever”

“He only played average in his national championship win”

“He doesn’t deserve the #1 pick”

At this rate, people in here will be starting threads about how he shouldn’t be in Canton.

Just tip your cap. Everybody here was wrong. I was bullish on him since high school and I was still way wrong about his ceiling.

Mendoza won everything possible last season and ran over our best LB on the biggest play of the game. This all feels like sour grapes and loser talk.
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Won within the first two years of starting football in middle school, from a 6-play player to starter to winning leagues.
Man took Columbus to their first state titles.
Went blow for blow with our #1 pick at QB a year ago in an instant classic...
Man took Indiana to their first National Title and stomped us when it mattered the most. Not only running over our best LB, but threw perfect back shoulder throws to seal the game.

Yeah, keep betting against him. He's literally a Road to Glory Mode player in real life.

Dude is a straight up winner and looks the part off the bus and on film.
 
DMoney said:
What “ethnic allegiance” did the Heisman voters have?

What “ethnic allegiance” do the NFL GMs have?

Who beat him this year in college, on the field? Anybody?

People just don’t want to admit how badly they got this one wrong. It’s embarrassing.
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I don't care about the heisman. Ugly paper weight.

What do NFL GM's have to do with this? Have we even heard what they think yet? Nope we've just heard the media push a narrative that Mendoza is so amazing.

Football is a team sport. Individual players don't win or lose teams do. Mendoza didn't go to Indiana and light the world on fire. He was the game manager of a run heavy offense that featured a very simple passing game.

The fact that me saying these over the top opinions of Mendoza are in part based on ethnic allegiance gets people so fired up tells me that I'm right. I didn't say he's a bad person or even a bad QB. I said he's not worth a 1st round draft pick. I'm honestly not sure any QB in this years draft is worth a 1st rounder.
 
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PIPO said:
Yeah - this guy sucks. Can’t make off platform throws, blah, blah, blah…..

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You send a highlight of him throwing go ball on a seam where his receiver made a circus catch. I mean if you are trying to push the receiver I guess that's a good response but it really doesn't say anything about Mendoza.

Can you find a clip of him making an accurate off platform throw? Ideally two one moving right and one moving left. I haven't seen one.

The fact that you get so offended by an opinion you disagree with tells me that your opinion is informed by something personal. Something about yourself. It's not a dispassionate evaluation.
 
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