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When you guys watched Mendoza, did you really think "Oh, yeah, this guy should be the #1 overall pick in the draft!!!!"

Number 1 QB, yes and clearly. Top pick no, he is not the best player in the nation. But I also have felt that clearly in past drafts abt QBs as well. It’s always apparent that QB is treated completely differently than every other position.

Let’s just say he’s no Cam Ward
 
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BRockCane98 said:
6:44 is a 15 yard throw.

9:07 he's running more or less straight up the field, yes it's slightly to his left which actually helps based on the location of the receiver since he's running towards him, and hits a receiver who's very open. Solid ball.

These aren't really what people mean when they say off platform throws. Go watch Ward or Burrows highlights and if you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.
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So you are just going to use Burrow and Ward as the people I need to watch to tell me Mendoza sucks? lol.

I asked you for a comp earlier since you scoffed at my Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold NFL comps.

Give me an NFL comp for Mendoza, all knowing QB whisperer, wether it’s a current or past NFL QB.
 
PIPO said:
I am not making the argument for him to be the 1st pick. I don’t care where he goes.

Whatever teams decide, they decide. To me, he’s a legit NFL QB, whether he’s the 1st pick of the 1st round or the 1st pick in the 3rd round.
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He’s an NFL player. I just think the only reason he’s being predicted as the #1 overall pick is because there aren’t any good quarterbacks in the draft. To me, he’s a fringe starter. Low ceiling, high floor guy who I’d pick in the third round. It that’s also just my opinion and I’m pretty much an idiot so nobody should take me very seriously.
 
AlexCane said:
I'm not a Mendoza fan, but you're selling him short. He's more athletically talented than Kenny.
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Yes, but not by a **** of a lot. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm. He runs like a wounded baby giraffe. He's going to be a massive bust at the next level. I just don't put on his tape and see Cam Ward, at all. I see a game manager who had more talent than most teams he faced. Those dudes don't often cut it in the NFL.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Or they could just get a GM that can draft better. LOL! He doesn't realize that without Allen, even if replaced with an above average QB....Jared Goff lets say, the Bills would be a 5 win team. Allen covers up for so much stink on Buffaloes roster. They have one of the worst pass catching groups in the NFL, Oline is mediocre at pass pro, and the defense is now just bad as they are undersized and struggle to stop the run.
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I just shake my head. He truly believes the Mendoza is the best thing right now. Here’s a little fact, Ty Johnson from the Bills is from my hometown in which I still live and attended the same high school I did.
 
PIPO said:
So you are just going to use Burrow and Ward as the people I need to watch to tell me Mendoza sucks? lol.

I asked you for a comp earlier since you scoffed at my Kirk Cousins and Sam Darnold NFL comps.

Give me an NFL comp for Mendoza, all knowing QB whisperer, wether it’s a current or past NFL QB.
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I thought you were done?

Sam Darnold isn't a horrible comparison in terms of physical skills but you have to hope he learns to process like Darnold has, far from guaranteed, and you need to build him a really top shelf supporting cast for him to be successful. Darnold is viewed as a bust! Even this year he hasn't been especially good he's just on a really good team with an elite defense. 25 TD vs 14 INT's.

I use Burrow and Ward since they are two recent 1st overall picks. My point isn't that Mendoza sucks or even that he can't develop into a solid, 20-15th best maybe, NFL starter. It's that guys with similar skill sets who need lots of development and a really good supporting cast (low ceiling players) aren't that rare, even in this God awful QB class there are 5-6 guys like that, and they aren't worth taking with a 1st round pick.
 
ThomasM said:
He looked more like Ken Dorsey than a 1st overall. You will never convince me he is much more than that.
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Has a better arm than Dorsey and is a bigger and thicker dude who should hold up better against the pounding that NFL QB's take. More mobile than Dorsey was. Dorsey did process better though.
 
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SFbayCane said:
I didnt read through this thread but...

If I had the #1 overall pick and needed a QB, I'd be drafting Trinidad Chambliss.
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Couldn't agree more. He's got upside out the backside, if you know what I mean. Mendoza? He's exactly where he's going to be for the rest of his playing days. He literally has no further room for development. The Mendoza of 5 years into the future is no better player than the Mendoza of today.
 
I just have this feeling that Mendoza’s NFL career is gonna end up falling somewhere in between Ryan Leaf’s and Tom Brady’s.
 
BRockCane98 said:
I thought you were done?

Sam Darnold isn't a horrible comparison in terms of physical skills but you have to hope he learns to process like Darnold has, far from guaranteed, and you need to build him a really top shelf supporting cast for him to be successful. Darnold is viewed as a bust! Even this year he hasn't been especially good he's just on a really good team with an elite defense. 25 TD vs 14 INT's.

I use Burrow and Ward since they are two recent 1st overall picks. My point isn't that Mendoza sucks or even that he can't develop into a solid, 20-15th best maybe, NFL starter. It's that guys with similar skill sets who need lots of development and a really good supporting cast (low ceiling players) aren't that rare, even in this God awful QB class there are 5-6 guys like that, and they aren't worth taking with a 1st round pick.
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Got it!

Counsins/Darnold - Those are my player comps.

What are your player comps?
 
filmcane said:
I didn't. I mean, he's gutsy, but I thought he was good-ish and gutsy. I would be ****ED if my team wasted a #1 overall pick on him. Not trying to be sour grapes and congrats to him on his natty, but meh. He didn't seem elite to me.
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Kid is very smart and very accurate - two biggest strengths for nfl quarterbacks
 
PIPO said:
Got it!

Counsins/Darnold - Those are my player comps.

What are your player comps?
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I've avoided making one cause if I took the time to look at NFL QB's and relate it to where I think his career ends up you'd probably get ****ed and call me "biased" or a "hater" or something like that. I honestly don't wanna hear it. I think his ceiling is probably at the current version of Darnold and much closer to version 2025 than 2024.

The reason I scoffed at Cousins is that he processed at a high level coming into the NFL. You probably know that Shanahan wanted to take Cousins in the 3rd or 4th, which they did, and not mortgage their future for RG3. Imagine where the Redskins would have been had they listened to him. Cousins takes over much earlier and they retain all that draft capital. Shanahan wanted Cousins as he'd shown advanced passing skills in a timing passed offense in college. Could Mendoza learn to do that? Yeah. It's very unlikely though. I've worked with half a dozen HS QB's as a programs analyst including one fairly recent unanimous five star recruit and the experience has taught me that those skills, processing coverages and making good decisions in a progression based offense, are to a large degree innate. Either a player has them or they don't. Yes they can be improved but it is a hellish grind and it has real limits.

The offense Mendoza played in this year was incredibly simple. I think a lot of what they did was CWM based or if/then constructs that allowed him to look a lot better than his actual skill set, not enhanced by having the best coaching staff in the sport. think Indiana probably does have the most intelligent staff in CFB....see my 1st post about coaches with "personality defects" and an SD above. He won't get to take that with him to the NFL. He'll also be facing far more complex defenses that do a much better job of masking coverages. NFL coverage shells move like accordions pre snap. It's not like college where you get 20 hours a week to install your stuff. Combine this with what appears to be mid level arm talent and athleticism.....I have a very hard time seeing him excel. Going high in the draft is probably the worst thing for him as he'll go to an awful team putting him in virtually the polar opposite position of what he was in at Indiana this year with a high quality veteran team around him and elite coaches.
 
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filmcane said:
I didn't. I mean, he's gutsy, but I thought he was good-ish and gutsy. I would be ****ED if my team wasted a #1 overall pick on him. Not trying to be sour grapes and congrats to him on his natty, but meh. He didn't seem elite to me.
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I rarely back taking a first round QB. They cost too much vs the likely hood they don’t work out. But even if I were in favor of taking somebody, I don’t think it would be him. He’s got some good traits and he may work out, but I just don’t see the upside. I can’t see him being a great NFL QB.
 
BRockCane98 said:
I've avoided making one cause if I took the time to look at NFL QB's and relate it to where I think his career ends up you'd probably get ****ed and call me "biased" or a "hater" or something like that. I honestly don't wanna hear it. I think his ceiling is probably at the current version of Darnold and much closer to version 2025 than 2024.

The reason I scoffed at Cousins is that he processed at a high level coming into the NFL. You probably know that Shanahan wanted to take Cousins in the 3rd or 4th, which they did, and not mortgage their future for RG3. Imagine where the Redskins would have been had they listened to him. Cousins takes over much earlier and they retain all that draft capital. Shanahan wanted Cousins as he'd shown advanced passing skills in a timing passed offense in college. Could Mendoza learn to do that? Yeah. It's very unlikely though. I've worked with half a dozen HS QB's as a programs analyst including one fairly recent unanimous five star recruit and the experience has taught me that those skills, processing coverages and making good decisions in a progression based offense, are to a large degree innate. Either a player has them or they don't. Yes they can be improved but it is a hellish grind and it has real limits.

The offense Mendoza played in this year was incredibly simple. I think a lot of what they did was CWM based or if/then constructs that allowed him to look a lot better than his actual skill set, not enhanced by having the best coaching staff in the sport. think Indiana probably does have the most intelligent staff in CFB....see my 1st post about coaches with "personality defects" and an SD above. He won't get to take that with him to the NFL. He'll also be facing far more complex defenses that do a much better job of masking coverages. NFL coverage shells move like accordions pre snap. It's not like college where you get 20 hours a week to install your stuff. Combine this with what appears to be mid level arm talent and athleticism.....I have a very hard time seeing him excel. Going high in the draft is probably the worst thing for him as he'll go to an awful team putting him in virtually the polar opposite position of what he was in at Indiana this year with a high quality veteran team around him and elite coaches.
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Give me a name besides Darnold?!?

All jokes aside, ok, nice write up and analysis for why you feel he’s not good enough.

He played in a bad team at Cal so it’s not just been Indiana and their coaching staff/players.

Overall, I disagree with your assessment. Only time will tell.
 
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