When you guys watched Mendoza, did you really think "Oh, yeah, this guy should be the #1 overall pick in the draft!!!!"

[DrNovaCane]

Wes is the man. Incredible Cane and a cornerstone of the defense. I’m not trying to down him at all. He smoked Mendoza the year before when he was in space and unoccupied. But it was a physical finish by Mendoza and we’d be going crazy if our guy did it.

Yes it was a physical play but Wes was fighting off two blockers D while attempting to tackle Mendoza…

Last year @Cal was a one-on-on play and Wes came up Aces and if it was our guy this year, I’d be willing to wager that we would’ve be lavishing praise on our OL for they’re down field blocking (which we’ve done all year).

Now I will say that that cut off J Scott…getting away from a closing K Scott was a sweet move but saying Mendoza “ran over our. best LB just isn’t factual…

I would’ve been thrilled to have him this year so my statement isn’t coming from a place of hate but I think it’s a disservice to Wes to say Mendoza ran over him when the film says different…

 

[PIPO]

No doubt about it. He's like Tebow even though they had different playing styles. An elite CFB player who is gutsy, but doesn't have it for the NFL. Although, between the two, Mendoza at least has the skill set to possibly make it at least as a backup, whereas Tebow NEVER had the skillset, and could've played for 10+ years in the league as an elite TE/H-back, but his pride wouldn't allow him to do it.

You guys are ******* crazy!! Seriously.

Like step back for a minute and use some common sense.

I will start by acknowledging that this is the weakest QB class I’ve ever seen next to 2022. Let me use the 2022 class which had Kenny Pickett (#20 pick), Malik Willis (#86) and Brick Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant last pick).

No GM in their right mind is going to take a QB 1st overall just because he’s the top QB. Pickett was not liked by those QB needy GMs. They also missed on Purdy and Mendoza is closer to Purdy than he is to Pickett.

I am not making the argument that Mendoza is a can’t miss, first overall QB must pick. I do believe he’s a first round QB but he sure as **** is not Kenny “*******” Pickett and IMO, you guys are way off in your evaluations for his skill set, arm, football IQ and enough athleticism (vertically).

You don’t make the QB run he made without being a little athletic! Obviously he’s not a side to side running type of athletic QB. He's a north/south guy. Not his strength.

His strengths are processing information quickly, making good decisions, accuracy, strong enough arm to make every throw, leadership, cool under pressure, coachable, mentally & physically tough and an elite teammate.

My comp is Kirk Cousins (again, not first player overall worthy but teams with serious QB issues will take that all day) and if we are comparing draft classes to 2022, IMO, he’s closer to a Brock Purdy than he is a Kenny Pickett.

 

[filmcane]

You guys are ******* crazy!! Seriously.

Like step back for a minute and use some common sense.

I will start by acknowledging that this is the weakest QB class I’ve ever seen next to 2022. Let me use the 2022 class which had Kenny Pickett (#20 pick), Malik Willis (#86) and Brick Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant last pick).

No GM in their right mind is going to take a QB 1st overall just because he’s the top QB. Pickett was not liked by those QB needy GMs. They also missed on Purdy and Mendoza is closer to Purdy and he is to Pickett.

I am not making the argument that Mendoza is a can’t miss, first overall QB must pick. I do believe he’s a first round QB but he sure as **** is not Kenny “*******” Pickett and IMO, you guys are way off in your evaluations for his skill set, arm, football IQ and enough athleticism (vertically).

You don’t make the QB run he made without being a little athletic! Obviously he’s not a side to side running type of athletic QB. He's a north/south guy. Not his strength.

His strengths are processing information quickly, making good decisions, accuracy, strong enough arm to make every throw, leadership, cool under pressure, coachable, mentally & physically tough and an elite teammate.

My comp is Kirk Cousins (again, not first player overall worthy but teams with serious QB issues will take that all day) and if we are comparing draft classes to 2022, IMO, he’s closer to a Brock Purdy than he is a Kenny Pickett.

We're crazy for not letting our lying eyes deceive us....? What?

It's an opinion and unless he tears it up in the league next year (which is highly doubtful), we won't know definitively for 2-3 years. He's a great CFB QB, but based on watching football for decades, my opinion is he'll be a career backup if he's lucky and almost certainly labeled a bust, but we'll see....

 

[PIPO]

We're crazy for not letting our lying eyes deceive us....? What?

It's an opinion and unless he tears it up in the league next year (which is highly doubtful), we won't know definitively for 2-3 years. He's a great CFB QB, but based on watching football for decades, my opinion is he'll be a career backup if he's lucky and almost certainly labeled a bust, but we'll see....

I took specific exception to the Tebow comp because it’s not even close.

Haynes King is more of an accurate Tebow comp than Mendoza and you have Mendoza as some 3rd string barely hanging on to NFL life/career.

But yes, we can come back and revisit this after his first NFL season and beyond.

 

[filmcane]

I took specific exception to the Tebow comp because it’s not even close.

Haynes King is more of an accurate Tebow comp than Mendoza and you have Mendoza as some 3rd string barely hanging on to NFL life/career.

But yes, we can come back and revisit this after his first NFL season and beyond.

And, to be fair to Mendoza, revisiting this after his first year is probably not a good indication, unless he has one of these rare rookie seasons, which would shock me - especially with the teams it looks like he'll probably head to.

3 years from now, we'll know what he is and my guess is a footnote bust in the NFL, but we'll see.

I think if you're the Raiders or the Jets, you go find another QB and use that money to fill in their other needs, but that's why they make the big bucks.

 

[PIPO]

And, to be fair to Mendoza, revisiting this after his first year is probably not a good indication, unless he has one of these rare rookie seasons, which would shock me - especially with the teams it looks like he'll probably head to.

3 years from now, we'll know what he is and my guess is a footnote bust in the NFL, but we'll see.

I think if you're the Raiders or the Jets, you go find another QB and use that money to fill in their other needs, but that's why they make the big bucks.

Fair - you can compare this upcoming year vs what Geno did.

I would trade and get more picks if I were them.

Same with Tennessee. They have Cam and he needs all the help he can get on the offensive line and playmakers.

Raiders need an O-line more than anything. I don’t like Geno as a QB but he had no shot at living last year. It seemed like every game was 4-6 sacks.

 

[Dracula]

"Mendoza's been hit!"- GTA V.

 

[Canedude08]

I would debate taking Ty Simpson over him personally. I just think he has a higher ceiling.

But Mendoza definitely has the intangibles to have a long career. He'll get opportunities to start over and over again as long as he stays healthy.

Intangibles only go so far. If the biggest thing you have to say about a guy is "He has the intangibles", that's not a good sign, especially in the modern NFL, where teams can't wait 4-6 years for a guy to develop.

Never mind the fact that people attribute certain intangibles to Mendoza, despite none of us truly knowing. We know he's book smart, but there's a difference between book smart and football smart. He's never been asked to do a lot of the things that NFL QBs are regularly required to do. You can't spam RPO and backshoulder fades in the big leagues. He's not some superlative athlete, he's a passable one.

From what I've seen this season, Chambliss is the better QB, but he isn't nearly the "Story" Mendoza is, so people will sleep on him.

 

[MarkyMark]

We made him look average. Great job lobbing back shoulder throws that were horribly placed, I guess. Yeah it was gritty run, I’ll tip my cap to him there. However, that doesn’t make you a great or good QB.

We don’t call/throw the dumbest play in modern history, we likely win this game and everyone would be saying the same thing.

 

[simplycanes]

If we didn't start the game by giving his WR's a 8+ yard cushion he wouldn't have looked nearly as good. He didn't have to make a tight throw during the entire first half.

This drove me crazy. Less than our offensive game plan but still frustrating. What was I missing? Their guys aren't burners but they will drive you mad taking the EZ money. Trying to feel them out? Survive until Lucas was back?

 

[BRockCane98]

You guys are ******* crazy!! Seriously.

Like step back for a minute and use some common sense.

I will start by acknowledging that this is the weakest QB class I’ve ever seen next to 2022. Let me use the 2022 class which had Kenny Pickett (#20 pick), Malik Willis (#86) and Brick Purdy (Mr. Irrelevant last pick).

No GM in their right mind is going to take a QB 1st overall just because he’s the top QB. Pickett was not liked by those QB needy GMs. They also missed on Purdy and Mendoza is closer to Purdy than he is to Pickett.

I am not making the argument that Mendoza is a can’t miss, first overall QB must pick. I do believe he’s a first round QB but he sure as **** is not Kenny “*******” Pickett and IMO, you guys are way off in your evaluations for his skill set, arm, football IQ and enough athleticism (vertically).

You don’t make the QB run he made without being a little athletic! Obviously he’s not a side to side running type of athletic QB. He's a north/south guy. Not his strength.

His strengths are processing information quickly, making good decisions, accuracy, strong enough arm to make every throw, leadership, cool under pressure, coachable, mentally & physically tough and an elite teammate.

My comp is Kirk Cousins (again, not first player overall worthy but teams with serious QB issues will take that all day) and if we are comparing draft classes to 2022, IMO, he’s closer to a Brock Purdy than he is a Kenny Pickett.

I'd agree but quite a few GM's are really dumb and when you are talking about top 5 picks owners often get involved and force their front office and coaching staff to make picks they otherwise wouldn't make.

 

[BRockCane98]

Eye roll at "willing your team to win". Intangible focused commentary.

General commentary.......should really mention D&D when talking about specific plays. Very hard to judge decision making when you don't have that context. Chase must be really bored to make videos like this!

1st play- RPO, pre determined read. Can't live off that in the NFL. Honestly shocked he covered this play. Why? IU's OC deserves way more credit than Mendoza.

2nd play- Really surprising he didn't adjust pass pro as we didn't do a good job of disguising it

3rd play- WTF Chase Daniels! You don't get to carry out a C gap run fake and then cry when you get hit. That's garbage. It's not a dirty play. The ref is looking at a QB who literally ran at the safety. What is he suppose to do?

4th play- Over analyzing it. Mendoza 100% should have gone to the out route.

5th play- Back shoulder ball. Most of the pressure is on the receiver to adjust to the ball.

"He knows exactly where the safety's going".

Um.....it's single high, the safety is on the boundary hash, and he's throwing outside the #'s field side. If he was looking off the safety, I don't think he was, it wasn't necessary as he's roughly 30 yards away from the receiver he's going to.

Our coverages were so telegraphed in this game. By far Hetherman's worst game of the season. Look at Poyser and Smith stacked on top of each other pre snap to man up the H-Back and RB. Why not just signal cover 1 to the IU staff pre snap just in case they are confused. LOL! We didn't even make an attempt to disguise it.

6th play- This is the kind of thing that fans care about 100x more than NFL evaluators. The QB draw....nice run but the pandemonium, the journalism is honestly purple, over this play is absurd. Notre Dame's RS freshman QB had a nice run on a QB draw vs us as well didn't he? Another team did as well. No mention of the plays real hero Carter Smith who hooked Bain from behind and prevented him from making a TFL (holding? Of course not).

Not a single play where he showed that he could make real progressions. I'm not a PFF subscriber, no reason to be and I think their overall evaluations are highly inconsistent, but they do have good data. I've read that his average release time is around 3.1 seconds which is pretty high. His completion %'s when he makes quick decisions are crazy good, lines up with what I've said about CWM's and a lot of his success being based on him having an elite coaching staff, but when he holds the ball closer to or over his 3.1 average his results are really bad. I take that as meaning when the pre determined read he's given, be it an RPO or just a CWM where they tell him what to do with the football, doesn't work out things go south. Their data on his ability to make off platform throws or just throws while being pressured aligns more or less perfectly with what I've said about him being bad at throwing on the move. I can't find the board I read it on but the completion % was under 50% when he threw off platform.

Chase is clearly bored! Southlake Carrol's head coaching job is still open last I checked. He should really put his name in for that at his old HS as he's clearly having trouble filling the hours.

 

[OldhamA]

****, Ham!!

You are harsh, lol.

I like to think I'm fair.

I see a limited game manager in Mendoza. Gun to my head as a GM I take Simpson and Chambliss before him - and I'm not a big fan of either of those either.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

And I think they do that more to protect others. He’s capable of more.

I’ve been the high man on him since high school, and he’s still a million times better than I thought. Running over Wes was unfortunately the play of the game.

He made Poyser dive out of his way. It might've been even better than running someone over, making someone fake a tackle to avoid getting ran over

 

[Ironmanfootball]

At the same time, the guy has no shot in the NFL. Not even a chance.

Have you seen the NFL QB's? Ewers, Stidham, Purdy, Flacco still gets starts, Rodgers... the NFL is desperate for guys with a pair of grapefruits and a pulse

 

[Gzo7]

He’s a goofy looking kid but very good at football. Why they say Brady loves him. He reminds him of himself.

We aren’t smarter than the ones that get paid to evaluate and they get it wrong a lot.

 

[PIPO]

I'd agree but quite a few GM's are really dumb and when you are talking about top 5 picks owners often get involved and force their front office and coaching staff to make picks they otherwise wouldn't make.

That’s true. Happened here in Miami when Ross forced the Tua pick over Herbert and others elsewhere.

Why I said in Vegas, Tom Brady is there to help in the assessment of the Qb decision.

 

[PIPO]

Eye roll at "willing your team to win". Intangible focused commentary.

General commentary.......should really mention D&D when talking about specific plays. Very hard to judge decision making when you don't have that context. Chase must be really bored to make videos like this!

1st play- RPO, pre determined read. Can't live off that in the NFL. Honestly shocked he covered this play. Why? IU's OC deserves way more credit than Mendoza.

2nd play- Really surprising he didn't adjust pass pro as we didn't do a good job of disguising it

3rd play- WTF Chase Daniels! You don't get to carry out a C gap run fake and then cry when you get hit. That's garbage. It's not a dirty play. The ref is looking at a QB who literally ran at the safety. What is he suppose to do?

4th play- Over analyzing it. Mendoza 100% should have gone to the out route.

5th play- Back shoulder ball. Most of the pressure is on the receiver to adjust to the ball.

"He knows exactly where the safety's going".

Um.....it's single high, the safety is on the boundary hash, and he's throwing outside the #'s field side. If he was looking off the safety, I don't think he was, it wasn't necessary as he's roughly 30 yards away from the receiver he's going to.

Our coverages were so telegraphed in this game. By far Hetherman's worst game of the season. Look at Poyser and Smith stacked on top of each other pre snap to man up the H-Back and RB. Why not just signal cover 1 to the IU staff pre snap just in case they are confused. LOL! We didn't even make an attempt to disguise it.

6th play- This is the kind of thing that fans care about 100x more than NFL evaluators. The QB draw....nice run but the pandemonium, the journalism is honestly purple, over this play is absurd. Notre Dame's RS freshman QB had a nice run on a QB draw vs us as well didn't he? Another team did as well. No mention of the plays real hero Carter Smith who hooked Bain from behind and prevented him from making a TFL (holding? Of course not).

Not a single play where he showed that he could make real progressions. I'm not a PFF subscriber, no reason to be and I think their overall evaluations are highly inconsistent, but they do have good data. I've read that his average release time is around 3.1 seconds which is pretty high. His completion %'s when he makes quick decisions are crazy good, lines up with what I've said about CWM's and a lot of his success being based on him having an elite coaching staff, but when he holds the ball closer to or over his 3.1 average his results are really bad. I take that as meaning when the pre determined read he's given, be it an RPO or just a CWM where they tell him what to do with the football, doesn't work out things go south. Their data on his ability to make off platform throws or just throws while being pressured aligns more or less perfectly with what I've said about him being bad at throwing on the move. I can't find the board I read it on but the completion % was under 50% when he threw off platform.

Chase is clearly bored! Southlake Carrol's head coaching job is still open last I checked. He should really put his name in for that at his old HS as he's clearly having trouble filling the hours.

Thank you for providing analysis on what Chase presented. Good stuff!

 

[OldhamA]

He’s a goofy looking kid but very good at football. Why they say Brady loves him. He reminds him of himself.

We aren’t smarter than the ones that get paid to evaluate and they get it wrong a lot.

Speak for yourself.

 

[passitback]

Raiders taking him at 1 will be such a mistake.

As a Jets fan, I hope they do take him. Moore staying behind was a blessing. The Jets can snatch up the best player in the draft now. Who that is? Not sure. I do know it **** sure wasn't Moore, and most likely is NOT Mendoza.