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hughhoney said:
Do you think Oregon (minus Thibodeaux and Flowe) is more talented than Ohio State?
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I haven’t watched Oregon yet this year. That said they both have recruited very well and have talent. I said last week that it was a big feather in Mario’s cap and I was happy for him. But I wasn’t about to annoint him as Belechek after that win. Nor am I going to pass on him after yesterday’s loss. He should get a call in the search, but so should others.

I also don’t know what to make of OSU this year tbh. I’d like to see what they do the rest of the season, particularly against PSU and Michigan.
 
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GoCanes!! said:
Hey guys does this sound familiar to you? This is a article posted from a Oregon AP writer. Manny 2.0 kind of stuff


Oregon’s utter failure to take full advantage of Stanford’s Achilles’ Heel— stopping the run. The defensive backfield is a mess, the linebackers can’t cover in space, and the d-line fails to get pressure. Costly penalties continue to pile up, the team tends to come out of the gates flat and then play to the level of their opponents. Yes, this team has been decimated by injuries, but this team also has more talent waiting in the wings than ever before. Oregon is a paper tiger, and sadly it was our old adversary Stanford that exposed the Ducks for what they are. This team has talent, but it’s raw and undisciplined; it’s versatile, but unsure how to use it; it’s good, but not great. Is this the coaching staff to unlock this team’s potential? I don’t know. Defensive Coordinator Tim DeRuyter is still only in his first season with Oregon, Moorhead his second; 2020 was ravaged due to Covid-19, so I think this staff is still trying to find it’s collective footing. But, and I think I can speak for many Duck Fans, we want to see improvement, and yet we’ve seen the same sloppy, uninspired play in four of the five games so far this season. I’m hoping if today’s loss does nothing else, it wakes the players up to the realization that they can’t just coast through the season on their four-and-five star ratings and a big win against Ohio State.
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2 Cubans in a pod?
 
WaterburyCane said:
I haven’t watched Oregon yet this year. That said they both have recruited very well and have talent. I said last week that it was a big feather in Mario’s cap and I was happy for him. But I wasn’t about to annoint him as Belechek after that win. Nor am I going to pass on him after yesterday’s loss. He should get a call in the search, but so should others.

I also don’t know what to make of OSU this year tbh. I’d like to see what they do the rest of the season, particularly against PSU and Michigan.
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If you haven't watched them, then why do you claim that Mario can't out scheme a more talented team? I think it's pretty obvious that Ohio State is far more talented than Oregon.

Sure, call up anyone that will listen, but we also have to be realistic. We'd have no shot at him if he wasn't an alum. Almost every guy that we have a realistic shot at will have flaws and won't have a perfect record.
 
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hughhoney said:
If you haven't watched them, then why do you claim that Mario can't out scheme a more talented team? I think it's pretty obvious that Ohio State is far more talented than Oregon.

Sure, call up anyone that will listen, but we also have to be realistic. We'd have no shot at him if he wasn't an alum. Every guy will have flaws and won't have a perfect record.
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FIFY
 
hughhoney said:
If you haven't watched them, then why do you claim that Mario can't out scheme a more talented team? I think it's pretty obvious that Ohio State is far more talented than Oregon.

Sure, call up anyone that will listen, but we also have to be realistic. We'd have no shot at him if he wasn't an alum. Almost every guy that we have a realistic shot at will have flaws and won't have a perfect record.
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hughhoney said:
If you haven't watched them, then why do you claim that Mario can't out scheme a more talented team? I think it's pretty obvious that Ohio State is far more talented than Oregon.

Sure, call up anyone that will listen, but we also have to be realistic. We'd have no shot at him if he wasn't an alum. Almost every guy that we have a realistic shot at will have flaws and won't have a perfect record.
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Mario has been a head coach for about 10 years. I’ve watched plenty of his games and have been underwhelmed for the most part with scheming/adjustments and game calling. He is not an X and O guy as his strength. I don’t even think that is debateable from what I’ve seen from him over the years. His strengths are as a motivator, recruiter, instilling toughness, OL specialist. AS I stated, the OSU win was a real nice notch in the belt. But 1 game isn’t going to change my mind on that topic.

I also said we would be lucky if he said yes considering the state of the program. What I won’t get on board with is just running to him with a blank check without doing due diligence on a number of candidates that would be interested. The OSU win should not change that. You saw my list. More than 1 on that list would say yes to this job and I’ll support them.

I agree, all the candidates have flaws or risks/unknowns associated with them. Saban isn’t walking through the doors.
 
hughhoney said:
If you haven't watched them, then why do you claim that Mario can't out scheme a more talented team? I think it's pretty obvious that Ohio State is far more talented than Oregon.

Sure, call up anyone that will listen, but we also have to be realistic. We'd have no shot at him if he wasn't an alum. Almost every guy that we have a realistic shot at will have flaws and won't have a perfect record.
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A) There probably wouldn't be any significant interest in him if he wasn't an alum and was named Mario Christensen from Buffalo, NY.

B) To say we'd have no shot at luring some rando Oregon coach completely neglects to acknowledge that FSU (to their own demise) was easily able to lure away one of their coaches.
 
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WaterburyCane said:
100%. Mario would need really strong coordinators. If we empty the bank for him and have to go bargain hunting for staff, I’d be worried. Problem is with the ****stain Manny has left on the program we would be lucky if he said yes.

But bottom line. This needs to be a thorough search/interview process with a clear vision on how we will support the new coach. Fire. Blake and Strawley. Bring in the new AD. You call Mario, Bill Clark, Clawson, Napier, Chadwell, Bill OB, Stoops, Fickell, Campbell and Freeze. The herd will naturally thin with a quick no. You interview as many as possible and learn from each interview to help formulate what we value and need.

I can’t remember the last time this team won a game from outscheming an equal or more talented team with a great game plan. I really would love to see that. You aren’t going to get that with Mario
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To your last point one could argue the ND game. But we were pretty talented and ND was probably a bit overrated. But that is the team with the most similar talent that I can recall wherein coaching made a real difference, especially on defense. Manny had our guys in position at all 3 levels. What the heck happened to that guy?
 
AtlAtty said:
To your last point one could argue the ND game. But we were pretty talented and ND was probably a bit overrated. But that is the team with the most similar talent that I can recall wherein coaching made a real difference, especially on defense. Manny had our guys in position at all 3 levels. What the heck happened to that guy?
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I generally agree with your assessment of Cristobal but the reason I consider him to be in my top 3 is what I call the Coker Principle. Coker showed it is possible for a corch to win a national championship if he has a stacked roster. If Mario could consistently land a top 5 class for multiple years in a row, he would have a championship caliber team that could overcome his corching decisions.
In terms of him always dropping a game he shouldn't, so did Dabo once upon a time (folks seem to have forgotten when "Clemson'ing" was a thing).

I'll take my chances with a coach who has shown he is a good enough coach to beat one of the most talented teams in the country, even if loses a couple games a season to bad schools (that still means a 10 or 11 win season). The losses to bad teams is generally due to the challenge of getting teenagers to not play down to opponents. It is something I think Cristobal might be able to eventually solve.
 
AtlAtty said:
To your last point one could argue the ND game. But we were pretty talented and ND was probably a bit overrated. But that is the team with the most similar talent that I can recall wherein coaching made a real difference, especially on defense. Manny had our guys in position at all 3 levels. What the heck happened to that guy?
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Man. Richt really channeled his younger self in that game and had those boys prepared and ready to play. We were ranked 13 and ND 11 in that game and both teams were overrated. One of the few bright spots. Then came Pitt, Clemson, Wisconsin. Dribble dribble.
 
TimeBum said:
I generally agree with your assessment of Cristobal but the reason I consider him to be in my top 3 is what I call the Coker Principle. Coker showed it is possible for a corch to win a national championship if he has a stacked roster. If Mario could consistently land a top 5 class for multiple years in a row, he would have a championship caliber team that could overcome his corching decisions.
In terms of him always dropping a game he shouldn't, so did Dabo once upon a time (folks seem to have forgotten when "Clemson'ing" was a thing).

I'll take my chances with a coach who has shown he is a good enough coach to beat one of the most talented teams in the country, even if loses a couple games a season to bad schools (that still means a 10 or 11 win season). The losses to bad teams is generally due to the challenge of getting teenagers to not play down to opponents. It is something I think Cristobal might be able to eventually solve.
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Mario is a great recruiter AT OREGON. Who is he recruiting against? USC? Washington? I mean that area and that conference is terrible right now so he doesn't have that much competition up there... At Miami he will have to deal with UF, FSU, Bama, UGA, Ohio St and every major program in the country.. To say he'll have the same success as he does at Oregon is a dream
 
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GoCanes!! said:
Mario is a great recruiter AT OREGON. Who is he recruiting against? USC? Washington? I mean that area and that conference is terrible right now so he doesn't have that much competition up there... At Miami he will have to deal with UF, FSU, Bama, UGA, Ohio St and every major program in the country.. To say he'll have the same success as he does at Oregon is a dream
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So you think he would be a worse recruiter than Mark Richt or Manny Diaz? I don't. No one is demanding that Cristobal recruit the #1 class every year. Diaz and Richt recruited in the 11-15 range (I think Diaz's average is in that range) . It's not a dream to think Cristobal could do a little better. After just 1 10 win season, Richt landed the #8 class. If Cristobal put together a couple 10 win seasons, he should be able to land classes ranked in the top 8 in his sleep. I think that a lot of top players in S Fl would want to stay close to home but they need a reason. Right now leaving for the SEC schools is a business decision. If Miami is back in the national conversation, I think a lot of players will see the business opportunities in Miami (helped a lot by NIL).
 
TimeBum said:
So you think he would be a worse recruiter than Mark Richt or Manny Diaz? I don't. No one is demanding that Cristobal recruit the #1 class every year. Diaz and Richt recruited in the 11-15 range (I think Diaz's average is in that range) . It's not a dream to think Cristobal could do a little better. After just 1 10 win season, Richt landed the #8 class. If Cristobal put together a couple 10 win seasons, he should be able to land classes ranked in the top 8 in his sleep. I think that a lot of top players in S Fl would want to stay close to home but they need a reason. Right now leaving for the SEC schools is a business decision. If Miami is back in the national conversation, I think a lot of players will see the business opportunities in Miami (helped a lot by NIL).
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Mario’s staff would be better recruiters collectively, and would quickly improve the HS coaches and media’s perception of the program.

See @Coach Macho ‘s post regarding current perception.
 
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Southtampacane said:
Our fans are so delusional. Nothing has changed over 25 years. This is not a destination job and hasn't been for a long time. Even after Butch left we had to take Coker (I know the players wanted him) as the other options were guys like Barry Alvarez. I remember when people were convinced Gruden was going to get hired before we settled on our 6th choice, Al Golden. Randy Shannon was also 5th or 6th on the list. Richt was the only hire since 1989 that was a big name "get". I remember when we thought we could steal Schiano from Rutgers. Freaking Rutgers and he laughed. Bo Pellini laughed when the rumors were out that he would leave Lincoln.

Quick summary-we don't draw fans. Oregon has a small stadium but fills it and makes a lot of noise. Oregon has Nike money behind it. We don't seem to have a lot of money to attract big name coaches. Oregon, other than the Taggert year is a consistent winner and made the playoffs a few times. That is a much better program, and seems to be on the rise.

USC fans are also certain b/c of their blue blood status (also delusional) that Mario is coming to LA. I highly doubt it. Oregon has no state income tax and cost of living is low. Probably the one thing we are on a level playing field with them, but Dade County is super expensive.

I can't see him coming here. He proved with the last fiasco where he quit a month after Golden hired him that he doesn't place any great value on being an alum and one thing consistent with the BOT is that they never forget. (see Butch Davis)

Find a different name than Mario. I'd bet quite a bit that he wouldn't take the job. Maybe they would try Leach, which seems to be a popular pipe dream even if his coaching isn't very good.
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Hey I made my first thread ever an it was to bring Mike Leach an it didn't go so well! But he jus beat #15 Texas a&m last night! Of course hes not my first pick but he would be a **** of lot better than any of the last 5 coaches here🤷
 
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Tad Footeball said:
A) There probably wouldn't be any significant interest in him if he wasn't an alum and was named Mario Christensen from Buffalo, NY.

B) To say we'd have no shot at luring some rando Oregon coach completely neglects to acknowledge that FSU (to their own demise) was easily able to lure away one of their coaches.
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"Some rando"? Yeah let's act like the guy who has 5 top 15 wins after 3-4 seasons (whatever the f the Pac 12 was doing last year) is the same as a guy who had a losing conference record and no top 25 wins in one season there. Strong work.
 
bdcane4eva said:
some of you don't watch enough football...Oregon does this everyyyy **** year....lose to someone they shouldn't.
they got another punch in the mouth coming at the Civil War...
huge backing from a powerful company and every year's media darling - zero to show for it.
watched the whole game and nothing impressed me with them...nothing.
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Every year.
That's why I don't understand the obsession. When he comes and loses to Pitt or some dumb ****? We will be in the same position.
Give me Fickell
 
Tad Footeball said:
A) There probably wouldn't be any significant interest in him if he wasn't an alum and was named Mario Christensen from Buffalo, NY.

B) To say we'd have no shot at luring some rando Oregon coach completely neglects to acknowledge that FSU (to their own demise) was easily able to lure away one of their coaches.
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“Mario Christensen” from Buffalo is not believable. Maybe if you said something like “Mario Cannelloni” from Buffalo then I could get my head around it.
 
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