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When Oregon loses to Stanford?

Canedude08 said:
I would take Shaw at Miami, provided we provided him with a budget needed to get the assistants he needs. At least you'll have a consistent, hard nosed product. I have always wondered what Shaw could do with the ability to actually recruit. He has never been able to recruit at a high level, because you can't at Stanford.
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Would Shaw be able to recruit and develop the same caliber of offensive linemen he needs to run his offense if he was at Miami?
 
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Shaw can flat out coach, but he isn’t coming, and it’s not about money. Shaw and his wife like living in Palto Alto.

I will still take Mario if he is available.
 
Canedude08 said:
It shouldn't have been that close to begin with. Mario got outcoached, by a guy that gets the most out of his guys. David Shaw, despite having some hiccups of late is a guy that is an NFL coach coaching gt at a place that has a definitive ceiling.

Would Mario be an upgrade over Manny at Miami? Yes, but let's be honest: He is a guy that relies on outtalenting everyone and it's tougher to do that at Miami, when you don't have Nike money to work with. If you are going to spend the money needed to get Mario to Miami, you can do significantly better with that money. He's going to expect Dabo level money, and honestly, he isn't a complete enough coach to justify that.
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Who is better for the money?
 
Just for the record:

I still have reservations on Mario. Would I take him over Diaz? Before the clock strikes one sec, I would; however, he’s shown a propensity to either get in his head or simply freeze in big moments that’s cost his teams at least 2 games on the season.

Now, do I think he will do well here? Absolutely, but I also see us consistently having good seasons w/o an invite to the CFP or dropping a NY6 bowl game b/c of his history of having some head scratching moments in the crunch.
 
TemplarCane said:
No argument. For every success, there are a dozen bad ones. A success does not mean the HC is Urban Meyer, he's an outlier. I mean someone who looks like they belong at the P5 level.
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Any hire you make will have a chance at failure. You can hire the best coach available and they fail. There's no sure thing, the only thing you can as a hiring manager is to make the most rational, quality hires you can and provide the support needed for them to succeed. What you don't do is hire guys with an extremely high failure probability like Randy Shannon, Larry Coker, and Manny Diaz. If those guys worked out, it was going to be a miracle, based on their experience, skill set and ability.
 
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PhenomCane said:
Would Shaw be able to recruit and develop the same caliber of offensive linemen he needs to run his offense if he was at Miami?
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Definitely, he's doing it at Stanford right now. Frankly, it would be easier for him, because he wouldn't have to work from such a shallow recruiting pool. Miami has academic standards, but we don't require every student athlete to have the same academic profile as the general student body.
 
BigWindyCane1 said:
Shaw can flat out coach, but he isn’t coming, and it’s not about money. Shaw and his wife like living in Palto Alto.

I will still take Mario if he is available.
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**** makes $8.9M. *** palo alto or bajo he ain’t coming here
 
Rellyrell said:
Just for the record:

I still have reservations on Mario. Would I take him over Diaz? Before the clock strikes one sec, I would; however, he’s shown a propensity to either get in his head or simply freeze in big moments that’s cost his teams at least 2 games on the season.

Now, do I think he will do well here? Absolutely, but I also see us consistently having good seasons w/o an invite to the CFP or dropping a NY6 bowl game b/c of his history of having some head scratching moments in the crunch.
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I agree. My hope is that being in the ACC gives UM a decent shot at CFP due to Clemson being down. ACC will always be a one bid conference (until expansion), so I just ask myself whether or not Mario will be good enough to win the ACC. That part I would feel more confident in than any coach we’ve had in recent years.

Also +1 for your post, I read it in Little Carmine’s voice and it was even better
 
Canedude08 said:
Definitely, he's doing it at Stanford right now. Frankly, it would be easier for him, because he wouldn't have to work from such a shallow recruiting pool. Miami has academic standards, but we don't require every student athlete to have the same academic profile as the general student body.
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I'm skeptical because they have a lot of complex line calls which requires good communication and football IQ, while our linemen struggle to pick up simple twists and stunts.
 
TruCane81 said:
Who is better for the money?
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Honestly, if you are going to have to pay Dabo money for Mario(Oregon will match everything up to that point most likely), you might as well make a run for a Lincoln Riley, you might as well make a run at a high end NFL coordinator. Mario has a well defined ceiling. If you are going for broke and you are going to pay that kind of money, at least get a guy that has the potential to really do something special.
 
PhenomCane said:
I'm skeptical because they have a lot of complex line calls which requires good communication and football IQ, while our linemen struggle to pick up simple twists and stunts.
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Our coaches are crappy teachers, I doubt these young men are that stupid.
 
Canedude08 said:
To go 93-38 at STANFORD over the course of a decade, with 7 seasons with nine wins or more is beyond impressive. He has had ONE losing season in that span, at a school that is at a competitive disadvantage with **** near everyone in the conference. Yes, he isn't as hot of a commodity as he was 5 years ago, but the record speaks for itself.
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Fair enough
 
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TruCane81 said:
Who gonna take us to Bama level?
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Mario COULD, but it depends on how much money the Board is willing to spend on Assistants. Mario CAN recruit like it’s nobody’s business but as we saw today, he shares some of Butch’s flaws as a game day coach.

Where was the mid-quarter adjustment to what Stanford was doing on the ground? And yes, the officials screwed him. But he knew this going in.
Should never have gone to OT is all I’m saying and I’m not terribly happy about their inability to get out of the gate in the First Half. Very Goldenesque.

He may come here, but his stock just dropped. JMHO.
 
Canedude08 said:
Any hire you make will have a chance at failure. You can hire the best coach available and they fail. There's no sure thing, the only thing you can as a hiring manager is to make the most rational, quality hires you can and provide the support needed for them to succeed. What you don't do is hire guys with an extremely high failure probability like Randy Shannon, Larry Coker, and Manny Diaz. If those guys worked out, it was going to be a miracle, based on their experience, skill set and ability.
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OK
 
SFbayCane said:
Again, for those who dont realize that the california schools use political power to control the outcome of football games.... Here's a brief history lesson.


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Pac-12 commish: Errors made in replay review

Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott says the conference made procedural mistakes and will make immediate changes in how video reviews are handled during football games.
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In the wake of a report that Pac-12 leadership has influenced decision-making during the replay process of football games, commissioner Larry Scott announced an immediate change that will prevent any real-time involvement from conference leadership moving forward.



Yes they had politicians controlling the replay booth. I have no doubt they still control it by only allowing certain replay officials who are on board with their gobohomo group.
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Oregon is FAR MORE TALENTED than Stanford. It's not even close, Oregon should have won this game going away. It shouldn't have even come down to that one play. Then again, when you are overly invested in one coach, you'll dig for excuses.

This fanbase has to stop anointing guys as the sole savior of the program, there are a lot of coaches out there that can give us what we want.
 
Canedude08 said:
Oregon is FAR MORE TALENTED than Stanford. It's not even close, Oregon should have won this game going away. It shouldn't have even come down to that one play. Then again, when you are overly invested in one coach, you'll dig for excuses.

This fanbase has to stop anointing guys as the sole savior of the program, there are a lot of coaches out there that can give us what we want.
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To clarify, Im not invested in Mario in any way. I do root for Oregon in the Pac 12 and have since the Chip Kelly days. I do like Mario and have no doubt he'd be a huge upgrade over Manny but Im on record saying we can do better. (see post 128 in this thread).

I do agree that Oregon should have won this game going away. They made a horrible 4th and goal play call to end the first half then play way too conservatively down the stretch. That said, anyone with critical thinking skills could see that the Pac 12 refs decided this game at the end.
 
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