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Canedude08 said:
Oregon is FAR MORE TALENTED than Stanford. It's not even close, Oregon should have won this game going away. It shouldn't have even come down to that one play. Then again, when you are overly invested in one coach, you'll dig for excuses.

This fanbase has to stop anointing guys as the sole savior of the program, there are a lot of coaches out there that can give us what we want.
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If I’m not mistaken just a few weeks ago Dabo and Clemson who were ranked #9 at the time loss 21-27 to NC state, a team they were FAR MORE TALENTED than NC State. We wouldn’t need Mario to win every game, and unless you’re Saban you more than likely won’t. But Mario is penciled to win 10 to 11 games in the ACC annually.
 
Rellyrell said:
Just for the record:

I still have reservations on Mario. Would I take him over Diaz? Before the clock strikes one sec, I would; however, he’s shown a propensity to either get in his head or simply freeze in big moments that’s cost his teams at least 2 games on the season.

Now, do I think he will do well here? Absolutely, but I also see us consistently having good seasons w/o an invite to the CFP or dropping a NY6 bowl game b/c of his history of having some head scratching moments in the crunch.
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What I’m waiting to see with Mario is his ability to develop a QB...

He inherited Herbert & had Tyler Shough last year, this year he went with Grad Transfer Ant Brown from BC who’s average/solid at best but limited as a passer & pure QB.

Since 2018, he’s signed high 4-star QB Tyler Shough out of AZ (transferred to TTech), 3-star QB Cale Millen from Washington (transferred to Northern AZ), high 4-star Jay Butterfield out of Brentwood CA (North Cali not South) & signed high 4-star Ty Thompson out of Gilbert AZ in last years class.

Now obviously, Butterfield & Thompson are both Red & True Frosh so I won’t be quick to make a rash judgment about their development or lack thereof, but at some point I wanna see what he does with a QB of his own, I’m not really a Cristobal guy because I don’t think he’d actually come here anyway because his situation up in Oregon is way better than what he would have to deal with in Miami, obviously he’d be better than Pansy Biaz, but I’m skeptical about him being the answer to rebuild our program.

Good coach, good recruiter, but there’s some red flags about his approach that make me a bit more cautious & apprehensive about going all in on Mario.
 
IcemanArcade said:
If I’m not mistaken just a few weeks ago Dabo and Clemson who were ranked #9 at the time loss 21-27 to NC state, a team they were FAR MORE TALENTED than NC State. We wouldn’t need Mario to win every game, and unless you’re Saban you more than likely won’t. But Mario is penciled to win 10 to 11 games in the ACC annually.
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Difference between Dabo and Mario. Dabo has gone YEARS and I mean YEARS in between losses to mediocre teams. Mario finds a way to have this happen every single year. That's the difference. Mario is in a conference where he has far and away the most talented team, and manages to lose to these kinds of teams every year. Keep in mind at Miami, he won't have Nike money, he sure as **** won't have little to no competition for recruits(right now, it's SC, Oregon and **** near no one else out there for recruits).

Miami paying Dabo/Saban/Shaw money for Mario, to get 9-3, 10-2 every year, with an inexplicable loss is silly. Mario at a rational salary is fine, but you know full well that Miami will have to pay insane money to pry him away from Oregon. Is he worth 8-9 million per year?
 
Liberty City El said:
What I’m waiting to see with Mario is his ability to develop a QB...

He inherited Herbert & had Tyler Shough last year, this year he went with Grad Transfer Ant Brown from BC who’s average/solid at best but limited as a passer & pure QB.

Since 2018, he’s signed high 4-star QB Tyler Shough out of AZ (transferred to TTech), 3-star QB Cale Millen from Washington (transferred to Northern AZ), high 4-star Jay Butterfield out of Brentwood CA (North Cali not South) & signed high 4-star Ty Thompson out of Gilbert AZ in last years class.

Now obviously, Butterfield & Thompson are both Red & True Frosh so I won’t be quick to make a rash judgment about their development or lack thereof, but at some point I wanna see what he does with a QB of his own, I’m not really a Cristobal guy because I don’t think he’d actually come here anyway because his situation up in Oregon is way better than what he would have to deal with in Miami, obviously he’d be better than Pansy Biaz, but I’m skeptical about him being the answer to rebuild our program.

Good coach, good recruiter, but there’s some red flags about his approach that make me a bit more cautious & apprehensive about going all in on Mario.
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Good point need a guy who has an eye for QBs and can recruit.
 
The issue I have with some of the Luigi arguments is two talking points his apologists KEEP resorting to:

A) "But but but he's 10x better than Manny!!!"

-only the mentally ill and maybe like 20% of the Diaz family would even argue this with you. Manny AIN'T the bar and he certainly AIN'T the comparison point.

B) "Mario gets us 9-10 wins a year and I'm content with that."

-in a bubble this sounds reasonable until the person spouting it acknowledges that they're also willing to pay Mario elite level coach money just to essentially make us respectable. Not actual contenders for anything beyond mayyyybe an ACC title but just respectable.

I really do think if by some outside chance the school did break the bank (respective to Miami) to get Luigi and he comes here and doesn't really achieve anything then you're going to have to pay exponentially even moarrr for any shot at ANY sort of established successor. That or you're going to have to go back to our typical recent model (sans Richt) of rolling the dice on an up-and-comer thar just ends up being a corch.
 
IcemanArcade said:
If I’m not mistaken just a few weeks ago Dabo and Clemson who were ranked #9 at the time loss 21-27 to NC state, a team they were FAR MORE TALENTED than NC State. We wouldn’t need Mario to win every game, and unless you’re Saban you more than likely won’t. But Mario is penciled to win 10 to 11 games in the ACC annually.
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Doeren and Shaw would also be huge upgrades over Diaz. Y'all need to understand that.
 
Liberty City El said:
What I’m waiting to see with Mario is his ability to develop a QB...

He inherited Herbert & had Tyler Shough last year, this year he went with Grad Transfer Ant Brown from BC who’s average/solid at best but limited as a passer & pure QB.

Since 2018, he’s signed high 4-star QB Tyler Shough out of AZ (transferred to TTech), 3-star QB Cale Millen from Washington (transferred to Northern AZ), high 4-star Jay Butterfield out of Brentwood CA (North Cali not South) & signed high 4-star Ty Thompson out of Gilbert AZ in last years class.

Now obviously, Butterfield & Thompson are both Red & True Frosh so I won’t be quick to make a rash judgment about their development or lack thereof, but at some point I wanna see what he does with a QB of his own, I’m not really a Cristobal guy because I don’t think he’d actually come here anyway because his situation up in Oregon is way better than what he would have to deal with in Miami, obviously he’d be better than Pansy Biaz, but I’m skeptical about him being the answer to rebuild our program.

Good coach, good recruiter, but there’s some red flags about his approach that make me a bit more cautious & apprehensive about going all in on Mario.
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Then who would you be all in on ?
 
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Canedude08 said:
Oregon is FAR MORE TALENTED than Stanford. It's not even close, Oregon should have won this game going away. It shouldn't have even come down to that one play. Then again, when you are overly invested in one coach, you'll dig for excuses.

This fanbase has to stop anointing guys as the sole savior of the program, there are a lot of coaches out there that can give us what we want.
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Which "one play" are you talking about? On the last drive alone there were 2 ridiculous personal fouls (one which ejected Oregon's best player), a false start that wasn't called, a pass interference that extended the game, and an offensive PI to end regulation that wasn't called. Seriously the refs should've just walked the ball into the end zone for Stanford.
 
Liberty City El said:
What I’m waiting to see with Mario is his ability to develop a QB...

He inherited Herbert & had Tyler Shough last year, this year he went with Grad Transfer Ant Brown from BC who’s average/solid at best but limited as a passer & pure QB.

Since 2018, he’s signed high 4-star QB Tyler Shough out of AZ (transferred to TTech), 3-star QB Cale Millen from Washington (transferred to Northern AZ), high 4-star Jay Butterfield out of Brentwood CA (North Cali not South) & signed high 4-star Ty Thompson out of Gilbert AZ in last years class.

Now obviously, Butterfield & Thompson are both Red & True Frosh so I won’t be quick to make a rash judgment about their development or lack thereof, but at some point I wanna see what he does with a QB of his own, I’m not really a Cristobal guy because I don’t think he’d actually come here anyway because his situation up in Oregon is way better than what he would have to deal with in Miami, obviously he’d be better than Pansy Biaz, but I’m skeptical about him being the answer to rebuild our program.

Good coach, good recruiter, but there’s some red flags about his approach that make me a bit more cautious & apprehensive about going all in on Mario.
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You could say the same thing about Riley.
 
Hey guys does this sound familiar to you? This is a article posted from a Oregon AP writer. Manny 2.0 kind of stuff


Oregon’s utter failure to take full advantage of Stanford’s Achilles’ Heel— stopping the run. The defensive backfield is a mess, the linebackers can’t cover in space, and the d-line fails to get pressure. Costly penalties continue to pile up, the team tends to come out of the gates flat and then play to the level of their opponents. Yes, this team has been decimated by injuries, but this team also has more talent waiting in the wings than ever before. Oregon is a paper tiger, and sadly it was our old adversary Stanford that exposed the Ducks for what they are. This team has talent, but it’s raw and undisciplined; it’s versatile, but unsure how to use it; it’s good, but not great. Is this the coaching staff to unlock this team’s potential? I don’t know. Defensive Coordinator Tim DeRuyter is still only in his first season with Oregon, Moorhead his second; 2020 was ravaged due to Covid-19, so I think this staff is still trying to find it’s collective footing. But, and I think I can speak for many Duck Fans, we want to see improvement, and yet we’ve seen the same sloppy, uninspired play in four of the five games so far this season. I’m hoping if today’s loss does nothing else, it wakes the players up to the realization that they can’t just coast through the season on their four-and-five star ratings and a big win against Ohio State.
 
I watched a few minutes of the Oregon game yesterday.

I’m not too familiar with them or with Mario but from the little I saw, I saw them miss a bunch of tackles and they didn’t play as physical as expected

Don’t know if Im fully sold on Mario, though clearly he would be an upgrade to what we have today
 
RightSaidFred said:
I watched a few minutes of the Oregon game yesterday.

I’m not too familiar with them or with Mario but from the little I saw, I saw them miss a bunch of tackles and they didn’t play as physical as expected

Don’t know if Im fully sold on Mario, though clearly he would be an upgrade to what we have today
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Kind of the same issue we have at Miami right? Hiring Mario is like having a 2020 Ford F150 and trading it in for a 2021 F150.. It's the same **** thing just new
 
GoCanes!! said:
Kind of the same issue we have at Miami right? Hiring Mario is like having a 2020 Ford F150 and trading it in for a 2021 F150.. It's the same **** thing just new
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I probably watched ten minutes of the game but that was my impression more or less. Reading this board, i expected to see a physical, tough football team that blocked and tackled well and played hard. The missed tackles surprised me is all.
 
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Liberty City El said:
What I’m waiting to see with Mario is his ability to develop a QB...

He inherited Herbert & had Tyler Shough last year, this year he went with Grad Transfer Ant Brown from BC who’s average/solid at best but limited as a passer & pure QB.

Since 2018, he’s signed high 4-star QB Tyler Shough out of AZ (transferred to TTech), 3-star QB Cale Millen from Washington (transferred to Northern AZ), high 4-star Jay Butterfield out of Brentwood CA (North Cali not South) & signed high 4-star Ty Thompson out of Gilbert AZ in last years class.

Now obviously, Butterfield & Thompson are both Red & True Frosh so I won’t be quick to make a rash judgment about their development or lack thereof, but at some point I wanna see what he does with a QB of his own, I’m not really a Cristobal guy because I don’t think he’d actually come here anyway because his situation up in Oregon is way better than what he would have to deal with in Miami, obviously he’d be better than Pansy Biaz, but I’m skeptical about him being the answer to rebuild our program.

Good coach, good recruiter, but there’s some red flags about his approach that make me a bit more cautious & apprehensive about going all in on Mario.
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100%. Mario would need really strong coordinators. If we empty the bank for him and have to go bargain hunting for staff, I’d be worried. Problem is with the ****stain Manny has left on the program we would be lucky if he said yes.

But bottom line. This needs to be a thorough search/interview process with a clear vision on how we will support the new coach. Fire. Blake and Strawley. Bring in the new AD. You call Mario, Bill Clark, Clawson, Napier, Chadwell, Bill OB, Stoops, Fickell, Campbell and Freeze. The herd will naturally thin with a quick no. You interview as many as possible and learn from each interview to help formulate what we value and need.

I can’t remember the last time this team won a game from outscheming an equal or more talented team with a great game plan. I really would love to see that. You aren’t going to get that with Mario
 
WaterburyCane said:
I can’t remember the last time this team won a game from outscheming an equal or more talented team with a great game plan. I really would love to see that. You aren’t going to get that with Mario
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Do you think Oregon (minus Thibodeaux and Flowe) is more talented than Ohio State?
 
some of you don't watch enough football...Oregon does this everyyyy **** year....lose to someone they shouldn't.
they got another punch in the mouth coming at the Civil War...
huge backing from a powerful company and every year's media darling - zero to show for it.
watched the whole game and nothing impressed me with them...nothing.
 
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