Update on BOT / AG info from TG on CS

[brock]

Golden has a degree in psychology and he is straight working miami lol....

 

[Tad Footeball]

These are not my words but TG's

Who's TG?

Tino Gorretta

Aka "The Gooch"

 

[52CANES]

why dont former players and other alumni raise some money?

Maybe this is why hunt made his donation.

Former players made the U hundreds of millions on their backs, lets take some of that and buy a ******* coach.

 

[Crimpy]

So explain to me why they (AD/BOT) wouldn't just terminate who they want to and tell Golden to deal with it if they're that unhappy?
If he's that angry then he could quite and thus no buy-out is necessary.

because old rich white guys hate being wrong, and they're immensely wrong in this situation. They gave a completely undeserving long term contract to the guy and now there's no way for them to get out of it but by writing the guy a big fat check while he tells them to shove miami up their @ss

Honestly, the BOT deserves this

they're negligent as **** and this is what happens, pay for your ***** up and maybe this time around you'll start paying attention if you learned anything

I am not defending the BOT, but Golden took advantage of them. He knew darn well they had to meet his extension demands as we were smack in the middle of a major NCAA investigation and having our head coach walk on us would have been a huge blow at that time. I just wish they would have given him more $$ for fewer years then a long extension, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking. I will give the BOT some credit in that Golden tried to use the PSU situation last year for another pay increase and BOT told him to go f*ck himself. A few days later the BOT found out that he had already been turned down for the PSU job (prior to him trying to get more $$ from Miami) and that ****ed a whole bunch of members off.

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

 

[The Franchise]

So explain to me why they (AD/BOT) wouldn't just terminate who they want to and tell Golden to deal with it if they're that unhappy?
If he's that angry then he could quite and thus no buy-out is necessary.

because old rich white guys hate being wrong, and they're immensely wrong in this situation. They gave a completely undeserving long term contract to the guy and now there's no way for them to get out of it but by writing the guy a big fat check while he tells them to shove miami up their @ss

Honestly, the BOT deserves this

they're negligent as **** and this is what happens, pay for your ***** up and maybe this time around you'll start paying attention if you learned anything

I am not defending the BOT, but Golden took advantage of them. He knew darn well they had to meet his extension demands as we were smack in the middle of a major NCAA investigation and having our head coach walk on us would have been a huge blow at that time. I just wish they would have given him more $$ for fewer years then a long extension, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking. I will give the BOT some credit in that Golden tried to use the PSU situation last year for another pay increase and BOT told him to go f*ck himself. A few days later the BOT found out that he had already been turned down for the PSU job (prior to him trying to get more $$ from Miami) and that ****ed a whole bunch of members off.

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

 

[Cane2]

because old rich white guys hate being wrong, and they're immensely wrong in this situation. They gave a completely undeserving long term contract to the guy and now there's no way for them to get out of it but by writing the guy a big fat check while he tells them to shove miami up their @ss

Honestly, the BOT deserves this

they're negligent as **** and this is what happens, pay for your ***** up and maybe this time around you'll start paying attention if you learned anything

I am not defending the BOT, but Golden took advantage of them. He knew darn well they had to meet his extension demands as we were smack in the middle of a major NCAA investigation and having our head coach walk on us would have been a huge blow at that time. I just wish they would have given him more $$ for fewer years then a long extension, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking. I will give the BOT some credit in that Golden tried to use the PSU situation last year for another pay increase and BOT told him to go f*ck himself. A few days later the BOT found out that he had already been turned down for the PSU job (prior to him trying to get more $$ from Miami) and that ****ed a whole bunch of members off.

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Golden also attended every single hearing of that protracted NCAA drama. Not sure he held anything over UM other than the fact that his presence made folks feel like he'd have UM Football on the straight and narrow path, so reduce any penalty to the minimum. Plus AG was getting good press for being "blindsided" and UM was getting bad press not disclosing to AG everything. So they reward AG for their lame emotions of guilt.

Bottom line you don't make Football decision (or business decision) on emotion of warmth or whatever fuzzy feeling AG had UM appreciate.

 

[Crimpy]

because old rich white guys hate being wrong, and they're immensely wrong in this situation. They gave a completely undeserving long term contract to the guy and now there's no way for them to get out of it but by writing the guy a big fat check while he tells them to shove miami up their @ss

Honestly, the BOT deserves this

they're negligent as **** and this is what happens, pay for your ***** up and maybe this time around you'll start paying attention if you learned anything

I am not defending the BOT, but Golden took advantage of them. He knew darn well they had to meet his extension demands as we were smack in the middle of a major NCAA investigation and having our head coach walk on us would have been a huge blow at that time. I just wish they would have given him more $$ for fewer years then a long extension, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking. I will give the BOT some credit in that Golden tried to use the PSU situation last year for another pay increase and BOT told him to go f*ck himself. A few days later the BOT found out that he had already been turned down for the PSU job (prior to him trying to get more $$ from Miami) and that ****ed a whole bunch of members off.

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Really? Because I happen to have a law degree and would love to have a client who was fraudulently induced into signing a multimillion dollar, high-profile contract.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I am not defending the BOT, but Golden took advantage of them. He knew darn well they had to meet his extension demands as we were smack in the middle of a major NCAA investigation and having our head coach walk on us would have been a huge blow at that time. I just wish they would have given him more $$ for fewer years then a long extension, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking. I will give the BOT some credit in that Golden tried to use the PSU situation last year for another pay increase and BOT told him to go f*ck himself. A few days later the BOT found out that he had already been turned down for the PSU job (prior to him trying to get more $$ from Miami) and that ****ed a whole bunch of members off.

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Really? Because I happen to have a law degree and would love to have a client who was fraudulently induced into signing a multimillion dollar, high-profile contract.

Big fkn deal you pomposity.

This guy has a law degree too.

 

[Crimpy]

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Really? Because I happen to have a law degree and would love to have a client who was fraudulently induced into signing a multimillion dollar, high-profile contract.

Big fkn deal you pomposity.

This guy has a law degree too.

View attachment 27906

I'm pompous?? Ur the one who purported to know what does and does not happen in the "reality of the legal world". Don't cry 'cause u got called out. Go **** ur self, douche bag.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Really? Because I happen to have a law degree and would love to have a client who was fraudulently induced into signing a multimillion dollar, high-profile contract.

Big fkn deal you pomposity.

This guy has a law degree too.

View attachment 27906

I'm pompous?? Ur the one who purported to know what does and does not happen in the "reality of the legal world". Don't cry 'cause u got called out. Go **** ur self, douche bag.

(when did I say anything even remotely close to the bolded?)

I object your honor. This ******* **** has no idea what the fvck he's talking about.

I bet you got your law degree from UM.

 

[Gatorhater]

Fire Donna immediately and promote Al to president for the remainder of his contract with the expressed provision that he have nothing to say about hiring and firing of coaches. Then hire Butch. If Al refuses the promotion, hire Butch into a new position of Czar of Football with override authority on all recruiting, scheme, practice, and all other football matters. Then move Al and Mark into their new offices, abutting desks on corner of NW 12th ave and 62 st.

 

[DapperSlapper]

I am not defending the BOT, but Golden took advantage of them. He knew darn well they had to meet his extension demands as we were smack in the middle of a major NCAA investigation and having our head coach walk on us would have been a huge blow at that time. I just wish they would have given him more $$ for fewer years then a long extension, but that is Monday morning quarterbacking. I will give the BOT some credit in that Golden tried to use the PSU situation last year for another pay increase and BOT told him to go f*ck himself. A few days later the BOT found out that he had already been turned down for the PSU job (prior to him trying to get more $$ from Miami) and that ****ed a whole bunch of members off.

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Really? Because I happen to have a law degree and would love to have a client who was fraudulently induced into signing a multimillion dollar, high-profile contract.

There was clearly no fraudulent inducement. There was no investigation pending when Al was hired, and the school had received zero information from the NCAA after reporting the potential issue. While you might love to have such a client, Al would not have been one.

Cool, you have a law degree. Some of us are seasoned and highly regarded trial attorneys with many years of experience.

 

[canesman]

The premise that Al Golden and his agent had no idea about the Shapiro allegations is laughable.

Brett Senior is one of the best in the business. In fact, he may have actually done more due diligence than Miami on the situation. That is the biggest farce in this whole thing.

If Mr. Senior did not look into it, then he committed malpractice. It was in the f**king newspaper. These were not message board rumors.

The Shapiro thing was the best thing that could have happened to Golden. It helped to disguise his ineptitude by allowing self imposed bowl bans. Two less games for Al to get blown out in. I expect our performance in this bowl to be worse than last if that is possible.

A true mark of an Al Golden football team are late season collapses. This is fueled by a bunch of players realizing by the end of the year coaches are feeding them a bunch of bull****. Playing football for an Al Golden football team really sucks. Passive, slow and unable to adjust.

When the going gets tough....the tough get Folden.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Lol fraudulent inducement. I'm a 3L and laughed at that ****.

 

[canesman]

The only way they could have a case against Miami would be if they asked Miami to disclose any information they had as part of the agreement and they withheld.

In that case, it would be a simple breach allowing Golden to void the buyout if he left the job. Don't forget, if Golden quits he owes Miami the same amount that we would owe him. That is unless we waive the liquidated damages which we would gladly do.

I think Miami was in denial about the Shapiro thing and ignored it until the Yahoo article was released. It would not surprise me if Golden's people knew more about it than we did. Simone should ask Shapiro if Goldens people approached him.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

The premise that Al Golden and his agent had no idea about the Shapiro allegations is laughable.

Brett Senior is one of the best in the business. In fact, he may have actually done more due diligence than Miami on the situation. That is the biggest farce in this whole thing.

If Mr. Senior did not look into it, then he committed malpractice. It was in the f**king newspaper. These were not message board rumors.

The Shapiro thing was the best thing that could have happened to Golden. It helped to disguise his ineptitude by allowing self imposed bowl bans. Two less games for Al to get blown out in. I expect our performance in this bowl to be worse than last if that is possible.

A true mark of an Al Golden football team are late season collapses. This is fueled by a bunch of players realizing by the end of the year coaches are feeding them a bunch of bull****. Playing football for an Al Golden football team really sucks. Passive, slow and unable to adjust.

When the going gets tough....the tough get Folden.

Exactly. It was common knowledge and Shalala even commented publicly that they were aware of the allegations from Shapiro and were fully cooperating with the NCAA long before Golden was ever hired. Are we really supposed to believe that a bunch of idiots on an internet message board knew about Shapiro yet Golden had absolutely no knowledge before he took the job? Bull crap.

 

[Dingaan1828]

As the only person on this site without a law degree, I laugh at the bull**** posted in this thread.

 

[canesman]

In August 2010, Shapiro told The Miami Herald that he was writing a book titled, The Real U: 2001 to 2010. Inside the Eye of the Hurricane in which he promised to tell how Miami had violated NCAA rules affecting more than 100 players. "Once the players turned pro, they turned their back on me. It made me feel like a used friend," he said.

On December 14, 2010, Miami hired Al Golden.

How dare someone actually look at the dates.

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

Only a pig pile of dopes would have allowed themselves to be extorted by Folden coming off a 7-6 record with a roster full of experienced NFL talent and a humiliating loss to a terrible BC team. Where the fck was he going to "walk away" to? And, more importantly, how did he prove to be some irreplaceable genius after that miserable first year?

Stop puppeting the party line fed to you by UM shills, and start using your heads.

Negotiating is about leverage and who has the hammer. Folden didn't have **** coming off his horrible failure of a first season. He had no one over the barrel unless they were empty headed rubes.

I'm not so sure. I truly believe that when this NCAA crap hit the fan, Al's attorney basically told the school that withholding all or part of this Shapiro situation was grounds for Golden to tear up his contract and sue them for big damages, and that they'd better pony up, or else. Like I've said before, I wonder if Al's extension came with a hold harmless/waiver of liability agreement that Golden had to sign.

That sounds like a bad tv show drama. All that stuff is ridiculous melodrama and has zero connection to reality in the legal world.

Really? Because I happen to have a law degree and would love to have a client who was fraudulently induced into signing a multimillion dollar, high-profile contract.

There was clearly no fraudulent inducement. There was no investigation pending when Al was hired, and the school had received zero information from the NCAA after reporting the potential issue. While you might love to have such a client, Al would not have been one.

Cool, you have a law degree. Some of us are seasoned and highly regarded trial attorneys with many years of experience.

Case Dismissed

 

[DapperSlapper]

The only way they could have a case against Miami would be if they asked Miami to disclose any information they had as part of the agreement and they withheld.

In that case, it would be a simple breach allowing Golden to void the buyout if he left the job. Don't forget, if Golden quits he owes Miami the same amount that we would owe him. That is unless we waive the liquidated damages which we would gladly do.

I think Miami was in denial about the Shapiro thing and ignored it until the Yahoo article was released. It would not surprise me if Golden's people knew more about it than we did. Simone should ask Shapiro if Goldens people approached him.

Unless you've seen the contract, there is no way of knowing that the amount Al would owe resigning is the same as UM would owe for terminating without cause. Those amounts frequently do not match, and the payment terms frequently do not match, with schools frequently paying out over the remaining term of the coach's contract while the coach (or his new employer on his behalf) owes 1 lump sum payment.

UM was not in denial about Shapiro. UM reported the little info they had (which came from the Herald article) to the NCAA. In addition, UM attempted to get further info from Shapiro, but his attorney would no cooperate with UM.