Update on BOT / AG info from TG on CS

[ramcanes]

Jeebus some people really do live in fantasy world. You all realize that the BOT is made up for successful professional people, socialites, philanthropists, community and business leaders, etc. These people are not frothing football fanatics that are going to start some sort of scorched Earth war over firing the HC. They may end up with a tense situation, bad blood, a lame duck toxic environment, but they are not going to breach a contract if they are on the hook for 8 million bucks, or create some sort of 3 ring circus to destroy Golden from within.

Worst case scenario is they will just accept next year will be a disaster and pull the trigger next year when the buyout is less. But they are not going to start WW3 because fans are angry about a failed football coach. That would be an embarrassment to the University and pretty much the LAST thing they want.

If they keep him, then its almost certainly because of the money issue. They may realize he's failed, but they aren't displeased enough that they will eat a massive buyout if its around 8M. 8M for UM is not chump change. Yes they have the money, but would they really commit that much to fire a coach? I don't see it. 4-5 would be a stretch, but at least fathomable.

All this other stuff is just delusions and fantasy. This is going to come down to money. If the choose, in the end, to not eat the buyout this year, which I don't think they will, they are just going to sit back and write off next year, and deal with the situation then. They are not going to engage in some sort of guerilla war against a football coach to pressure him out and all that other stuff.

Yes.

They'll leave the guerilla warfare to the fanbase.

 

[Stylie]

UCF isnt all that great. Would be sad if we lost to them...... but Pitt and UVA aren't good either so..... **** it.

 

[TallyCane]

Don't know if any of this is true but where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

Fire Dorito's ### themselves and tell Golden to like it or leave!

 

[Jonnyblaze]

Don't know if any of this is true but where there's smoke there's fire.

Yeah, but unsubstantiated rumors from anonymous posters referencing unnamed sources doesn't qualify as smoke.

 

[paksat]

So explain to me why they (AD/BOT) wouldn't just terminate who they want to and tell Golden to deal with it if they're that unhappy?
If he's that angry then he could quite and thus no buy-out is necessary.

because old rich white guys hate being wrong, and they're immensely wrong in this situation. They gave a completely undeserving long term contract to the guy and now there's no way for them to get out of it but by writing the guy a big fat check while he tells them to shove miami up their @ss

Honestly, the BOT deserves this

they're negligent as **** and this is what happens, pay for your ***** up and maybe this time around you'll start paying attention if you learned anything

 

[rsa coral gables]

Games. When one who technically works for you, and won't do what needs doing, but you can't fire him right then, well, there are options.

First, the university can make a power play that pulls the teeth of Golden. He's real proud, too stubborn, and won't be able to handle anyone usurping his authority. So while he's technically the Head Football Coach, you hire a Co-Head Football Coach, and designate that the new Co-Head Football Coach is to take over all football responsibilities, freeing the Head Football Coach to handle promotions, speak to booster groups, and give public statements.

He just got relieved of all duties, but he hasn't been fired. He's still getting his checks, but he's not getting the buyout. It's a public embarrassment, and something if he wants to stay, can just choke on.

In the meantime, Butch can fire and hire the Coordinators and coaching staff, as his duties will be to run the football program.

Golden will be forced to choke on the public embarrassment of being paid - for doing nothing - or arranging a more acceptable buyout for UM. And in the meantime, Butch is right in the driver's seat, recruiting, and preparing for a run at the National Championship.

***** the $8M buyout. That won't happen. Golden can even be promoted to HFC and AD in name only. The AD we have now has no authority, so Golden can sit in his symbolic chair.

in theory this sounds promising. in reality, it doesnt. it is likely that his contract has a provision prohibiting the exact scenario that you envision. most CEO contracts will have such a provision.

 

[Pete]

No,it is not a good scene in the Gables.Take a look at what UF is paying there new
coach,at the U it will be close to that to bring in a new coach and staff.Ride it out,
hope Golden wins and moves on.And buy tickets,because if ticket sales collapse
The U may seriously think about giving up FB.

 

[TroubleChunks]

in theory this sounds promising. in reality, it doesnt. it is likely that his contract has a provision prohibiting the exact scenario that you envision. most CEO contracts will have such a provision.

You're not going gaming out the reality far enough. Contracts are not self-enforcing. To recover for a breach, you've got to sue. There are plenty of reasons why a coach wouldn't want to be suing his employer for sidelining him due to incompetence.

The BoT won't pull a maneuver like this, but I don't think the existence of a contractual clause would really have much bearing on their decision if they were actually motivated enough to pull something that hardcore.

 

[Gatorhater]

If we get thrashed in a bowl game I just really can't see him coming back. 6-7, I mean the administration is bad but they cant be this bad can they?

Can't fire him after a bowl game. Doesn't give new guy enough time to recruit.

It's this week or never.

Would depend on if they had replacement ready immediately and who that replacement was. I think if you fired Al and announced Butch at the same press conference, recruiting would get huge lift. Everyone knows about Butch and recruiting. Just getting an offer from him would thrill any recruit. Butch's boys don't just get to NFL, they get in the first round AND pro bowls and then HOF. Saban's kids get drafted, period.

If they replace Al with another slump after being turned down by 5 or 6 coaches, then it will be a disaster. I wanted Chud as next NC but at this late point, Butch might be the only name with the star quality we need.

 

[Gatorhater]

No,it is not a good scene in the Gables.Take a look at what UF is paying there new
coach,at the U it will be close to that to bring in a new coach and staff.Ride it out,
hope Golden wins and moves on.And buy tickets,because if ticket sales collapse
The U may seriously think about giving up FB.

That is BS. Without football program they risk getting thrown out of ACC and losing all that money. We are not ND. Ticket sales collapse is our best weapon. Besides, some, like me, would rather the program fold than continue this embarrassment. That threat needs to be turned around on the administration. It is total bs. You sound like a straw man from AD.

 

[brcane1]

No,it is not a good scene in the Gables.Take a look at what UF is paying there ne
coach,at the U it will be close to that to bring in a new coach and staff.Ride it out,
hope Golden wins and moves on.And buy tickets,because if ticket sales collapse
The U may seriously think about giving up FB.

Golden isn't capable of winning anything. If this admin won't admit their mistake and spend their money, then there is no way I am going to spend my money on renewing my club seats. The ACC tie-ins for marketing purposes are also far to valuable to make your last point even a consideration.

 

[NVA CANE]

They're not firing him this year. I just don't buy it. They wouldn't be coming out defending him from all the media reports if things were as bad as its made out to be in the OP. Just gotta accept that next year is a throw away year.

 

[brcane1]

They're not firing him this year. I just don't buy it. They wouldn't be coming out defending him from all the media reports if things were as bad as its made out to be in the OP. Just gotta accept that next year is a throw away year.

That's hard to accept since this year was also essentially a throw away year.

 

[Palm Harbor Cane]

Yep hire Butch and give Golden the Bobby Bowden-Jimbo Fischer treatment and force him out while not having to pay the buyout and still getting your coach you want and ******* Al incompetent *** in the process this would work it did for FSU!!!

 

[ThomasM]

Went the easy route in hiring Larry Coker. Then spent $50,000 for someone to search for Randy Shannon. This dumpster fire has been years in the making. We get what we pay for.

What did we do to deserve this?

 

[Cash]

They're not firing him this year. I just don't buy it. They wouldn't be coming out defending him from all the media reports if things were as bad as its made out to be in the OP. Just gotta accept that next year is a throw away year.

I'm trying to remember a coach that we fired where the AD didn't come out with some type of supportive statement. I think they want him gone but don't want to pay if they don't have to. Golden is doing everything he can to force them to fire him. If he stays another year it's a guaranteed $2.25 million. If they fire him then he gets his buyout (probably in incremental payments). They need to cut the chord now and save the recruiting season and some money.

 

[AUcane]

They're not firing him this year. I just don't buy it. They wouldn't be coming out defending him from all the media reports if things were as bad as its made out to be in the OP. Just gotta accept that next year is a throw away year.

Here's the thing, though...if it's a money issue, what difference does one more year make? In other words, let's say for argument's sake that the buyout right now is $5M. I'm guessing it gets prorated each subsequent year, so to keep things simple, it goes down by $1m next year (or maybe a little more). At this rate, is saving $1-2M really worth keeping this clown for another year and potentially costs us more money down the road? Penny wise pound foolish.

 

[texacane]

Jeebus some people really do live in fantasy world. You all realize that the BOT is made up for successful professional people, socialites, philanthropists, community and business leaders, etc. These people are not frothing football fanatics that are going to start some sort of scorched Earth war over firing the HC. They may end up with a tense situation, bad blood, a lame duck toxic environment, but they are not going to breach a contract if they are on the hook for 8 million bucks, or create some sort of 3 ring circus to destroy Golden from within.

Worst case scenario is they will just accept next year will be a disaster and pull the trigger next year when the buyout is less. But they are not going to start WW3 because fans are angry about a failed football coach. That would be an embarrassment to the University and pretty much the LAST thing they want.

If they keep him, then its almost certainly because of the money issue. They may realize he's failed, but they aren't displeased enough that they will eat a massive buyout if its around 8M. 8M for UM is not chump change. Yes they have the money, but would they really commit that much to fire a coach? I don't see it. 4-5 would be a stretch, but at least fathomable.

All this other stuff is just delusions and fantasy. This is going to come down to money. If the choose, in the end, to not eat the buyout this year, which I don't think they will, they are just going to sit back and write off next year, and deal with the situation then. They are not going to engage in some sort of guerilla war against a football coach to pressure him out and all that other stuff.

Yes.

Who let the adults in?

 

[Cash]

They're not firing him this year. I just don't buy it. They wouldn't be coming out defending him from all the media reports if things were as bad as its made out to be in the OP. Just gotta accept that next year is a throw away year.

Here's the thing, though...if it's a money issue, what difference does one more year make? In other words, let's say for argument's sake that the buyout right now is $5M. I'm guessing it gets prorated each subsequent year, so to keep things simple, it goes down by $1m next year (or maybe a little more). At this rate, is saving $1-2M really worth keeping this clown for another year and potentially costs us more money down the road? Penny wise pound foolish.

Exactky my thoughts on this! Anyway if they buy him out it's usually done in annual payments this allowing for us to break even with a big hire. The merch sales and ticket sales would make up for it.