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This reminds me of Coker in 2006

mirvin88 said:
If Richt were a godly man of his word he would resign if playcalling abilities were taken from him. That's the only reason he is here and was going to walk away until we gave him the opportunity to do so. But he's a hypocrite.
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Something I’ve noticed knowing many deeply religious folks is sometimes they are very good at completely ignoring the facts and believing in something so deeply that there is no reasoning with them
 
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Awsi Dooger said:
We have skinny guys who get pushed around and sloppy guys who can't push anybody around. But as soon as a few of them make NFL rosters then we've got the dependable propaganda from administrators asserting that we have supreme talent and rightful national championships upon competent coaching.
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You can rely on the "eye-test" for talent or you can look at the numbers. Here are the most represented colleges in the NFL, as of Opening Day 2018:

1. Alabama 44
2. LSU 40
3. Florida 38
4. Miami 36
4. Ohio State 36
6. Florida State 33
7. Southern Cal 32
8. Clemson 29
9. Auburn 28
9. Georgia 28

Every team listed has won a title in the past 15 years except Miami and Georgia.
 
DMoney said:
We can fantasize about that but it's not realistic. Four years is the realistic number.
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1. He should have NEVER been hired in the first place.

2. [At most programs/situations] A coach doesn't need four years to see if he is going to be the guy, when the coach already:

a. [with such a tremendous sample size] Failed to have real success at a prior program,
b. Employs his unqualified family,
c. Continues to call the plays after he failed at a prior program doing so,
d. Continues to call the plays after his offense continues to regress (three straight years), and
d. In year three the overall performance of the team plummets,

Richt isn't a first time HC. He was a "failure" before he got here. He doesn't need more time.

DMoney said:
The reality is you can't fire Richt after three years. No AD in America would do that.
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So no coach has been fired after three years?
 
IF CMR has to stay, then urgency calls for:
  • A new OC, replacing Brown. The OC brings his staff.
  • Implying a new QB coach and at least one additional new position coach (OL would be my pick), if Brown stays he looses the OC title.
  • A transfer QB ready to go for Spring practice.
  • A HS QB even a 2 or 3 * to have depth.
  • A transfer DT ready to play.
  • A transfer impact WR or sign Hazelwood.
  • A new local SF recruiting strategy and overseer.
  • CMR must micro manage the DC combo of Banda/Patke.
  • CMR must assist and micro manage Special Teams, cannot have a repeat of 2018.
 
My fear is that he'll hire an OC with his same, old, outdated beliefs. I have no faith that we'll hire an innovative guy.
 
Consigliere said:
So no coach has been fired after three years?
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Find me a similar situation. Most ADs are going to give the guy four years. Alabama gave Mike Shula four years, Florida gave Will Muschamp four years, Michigan gave Brady Hoke four years, etc.

There are exceptions for scandals or a horrible record. But as bad as he's been, Richt is winning 67% of his games after the prior regime won 53%.

It's just not realistic to expect him to get fired right now, even if we see the writing on the wall. Next year is a different story.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
This is a public relations board first and foremost. There may be negativity and banners but the single overriding trend is overstating our players to comical degree.

We have skinny guys who get pushed around and sloppy guys who can't push anybody around. But as soon as a few of them make NFL rosters then we've got the dependable propaganda from administrators asserting that we have supreme talent and rightful national championships upon competent coaching.

It is hilarious misrepresentation, and has been that way as long as this site has been in existence. Every spring is a farce in terms of how our roster is described.

Once we have our head coach in the front row at the NFL Draft, wondering which one of his nearby players will be the next one picked in the first round, then we can rave about our talent level.

Because that's what it takes these days to legitimately compete with the Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State types. It is where we used to be.

The only other vehicle is to find a freakish skill position player like Oklahoma has done multiple times recently. That is fragile but exciting mode. In that scenario the rest of your roster doesn't have to be Alabama or Clemson level. But it **** sure needs to be close enough, and far above the current Miami level.
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I agree i hate when anyone makes the nfl and they say well we have nfl talent like we r putting in first rounders or pro bowl players. Most teams have nfl players but we need quality nfl players like the butch players. This site continues topump up bumbs and say its development but when said player makes the league hes trash. And thats with nfl coaching so there theory is just that a theory cause there players stay bumbs.
Quality players come from the big dogs mostly
 
Awsi Dooger said:
This is a public relations board first and foremost. There may be negativity and banners but the single overriding trend is overstating our players to comical degree.

We have skinny guys who get pushed around and sloppy guys who can't push anybody around. But as soon as a few of them make NFL rosters then we've got the dependable propaganda from administrators asserting that we have supreme talent and rightful national championships upon competent coaching.

It is hilarious misrepresentation, and has been that way as long as this site has been in existence. Every spring is a farce in terms of how our roster is described.

Once we have our head coach in the front row at the NFL Draft, wondering which one of his nearby players will be the next one picked in the first round, then we can rave about our talent level.

Because that's what it takes these days to legitimately compete with the Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State types. It is where we used to be.

The only other vehicle is to find a freakish skill position player like Oklahoma has done multiple times recently. That is fragile but exciting mode. In that scenario the rest of your roster doesn't have to be Alabama or Clemson level. But it **** sure needs to be close enough, and far above the current Miami level.
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Under rated post that needs 100 times to some fans on here
 
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supersaiyanshel said:
Brian Shottenheimer esque hire will be his move. He might even be John Lilt to come.

But he's not going to change his stripes and go to something modern, mainly because -- and I don't mean this as an insult -- I don't think he can comprehend a modern offense or has the desire to learn one.
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John Brian was a joke, Lilly wasCMR's arguably best recruiter and OC'd the bowl game win after Richt left and did not get a raise when every other coach got one. Lilly is a man of the highest order of character and turned down an offer to come to Miami with CMR even though he did not have a job...
Lilly is the most Godly coach I know of and he had had enough of CMR'S hypocrisy.
 
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DMoney your statement is the most coherent and accurate summary of the current situation anywhere. Right On.
 
@DMoney Best guess, what changes (if any) do you think are made? Does Richt bring in an OC? If so, how do you think they re-arrange the staff to make room (ie, we need another defensive coach so would need to create a spot).
 
Both James and Richt need to go.

James has repeatedly made bad personnel decisions, and Richt is a colossal failure.

A real AD would have given Richt a Hobson's Choice immediately after the Duke game to either bow out gracefully citing health issues or the like or be fired at the end of this season.

There is plenty of evidence to support canning Richt and James. UM's administration just isn't concerned to compete for national titles beyond making public statements claiming that they are. Adding a forth year is just another year of national embarrassment for the institution.

We need to move now to find an AD who has a track record for knowing how to build winning sports programs. We need to support them institutionally, and we need to give them autonomy. The rest will fall into place.
 
CanesSkins26 said:
@DMoney Best guess, what changes (if any) do you think are made? Does Richt bring in an OC? If so, how do you think they re-arrange the staff to make room (ie, we need another defensive coach so would need to create a spot).
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I think we get a new OC and potentially a new OL coach. My concern is that he will go with people he knows/trusts and nothing will change.
 
DMoney said:
I think we get a new OC and potentially a new OL coach. My concern is that he will go with people he knows/trusts and nothing will change.
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This is why he made Simpson AHC. The only complaint I ever heard from Buford fans about Simpson was that his offense was very vanilla. Richt needs to take money away from Brown, the guy is useless.
 
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DMoney said:
That's how this feels. Same age (58), same record. We have an offensive coach with a boring, ineffective offense. Our only hope is hiring an OC to do the coach's job for him. We are trying to make Richt a CEO, even though his big-picture judgment this year would get him fired by any board. The defense is good but overworked and flawed. The quarterback play is the worst it's been since Kyle and Kirby.

It's been twelve years since Coker got fired and we are in the same place. This sucks.

The reality is you can't fire Richt after three years. No AD in America would do that. I think there's enough pressure on him that he will hire an OC. But the question is: will he be bold, or will he make a "safe" choice that really changes nothing? History would suggest the latter.

Whatever he does, this needs to be the year. And if we don't make that leap into the Top 10, we need to move on and rethink our approach. Coker, Shannon, Golden and Richt all had one thing in common: they weren't innovators. They were supposed "CEOs" who believed in winning with simple schemes and better athletes. The past sixteen years have proven that won't work here. This is a program built on innovation. We need to get back to that.

Miami is a more attractive place than it was in 2006. We have a great stadium and modern facilities. Guys like Leach and Mullen were begging for the job. Someone like Dino Babers would kill for this opportunity. We saw in 2017 how quickly momentum can shift for the better. But we're getting old. And this season looked way too familiar.
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I have been yelling at the clouds since 2003 - this program has never been good without a truly top level coach. Coker won with the best roster ever assembled, handed to him by Butch, who was good enough to get hired by the NFL and was the best talent evaluator of his entire generation. Erickson was hired twice in the nfl. Innovator. Early spread adopter. And he still couldnt maintain the program, and won with JJ’s team. JJ and Howard were and are legends. Only they could have maintained it.

This fan base and administration has absolutely deluded itself for two decades with the transparently false notion that we can be a top team just by grabbing local kids and having a non-awful corch. It’s delusional. Just flat out wrong. And to top it off, we’ve hired incompetents to fill the seat of non-awful corch. Coker and Shannon had zero hc experience. Gluten was a PSU bonehead with a losing record and wasn’t remotely innovative. And Richt had just got fired from UGA and stated voluntarily that he didn’t want to be a ceo, but rather a play caller. As bad as the prior hiring decisions were, the Richt one is the worst because he flat out said he wasn’t coming to do the job we were hiring him for. He failed as a play caller at UGA, then was aat best a mediocre ceo when he was forced to hire an OC, and he didn’t like being a ceo. So what theory did we hire him under? We turned around and hired him to be a ceo (because we clearly didn’t hire him to be an innovative play caller) but then allowed him to be his own OC, and hire his son as QB coach. It’s insane. That’s not what a ceo does. Our administration has absolutely failed the program sonce Butch left.

Winning may be hard in CFB, but looking competent on the same field as Wisky, GT and BC isn’t. It takes a special kind of incompetence for us to be so consistently unpreprared.

We have a Hc who intentionally skipped half the bowl practices, then comes out unprepared. What. The. ****?

We can’t even run a basic offense. It’s pathetic. blaming the kids when we get the same putrid product for decades is wrong. It’s not the fault of the kids. They’re being underserved by a staff and administration that gives no fcuks about football.

The school clearly decided two decades ago that it wanted a eutered program that wouldn’t embarrass it. Welp, it’s embarrassing, for sure!

The only way this program will win is by embracing rough, tough, edgy kids, and embracing innovation. We cannot be BC or Wisconsin, and it will get uglier and uglier if we keep trying to.
 
DMoney said:
You can rely on the "eye-test" for talent or you can look at the numbers. Here are the most represented colleges in the NFL, as of Opening Day 2018:

1. Alabama 44
2. LSU 40
3. Florida 38
4. Miami 36
4. Ohio State 36
6. Florida State 33
7. Southern Cal 32
8. Clemson 29
9. Auburn 28
9. Georgia 28

Every team listed has won a title in the past 15 years except Miami and Georgia.
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The nfl talent lists are very misleading.

You can win in cfb without nfl talent everywhere. So why do we keep talking about it, when we know the problem is coaching, culture, S&c, and depth?

What we have lacked for a long time, that the nfl lists hide, is LOS strength, and overall depth. Our roster has been more or less a train wreck since Coker’s ‘04 class filled it with holes. We haven’t even played with a full squad in a decade. Richt the ceo hasn’t managed to fill our roster, without sanctions to blame.

And let’s not kid ourselves. Our brand is at the bottom of the barrel, and so fla is more picked over than ever. Talking about nfl talent misses the point. Not pointing fingers, just stating the obvious.

We need an admin that wants to win and provides the resources, a Hc who cares about winning and recruiting, a s&c program that is top tier, and a full roster, and time. NFL talent is an outcome, not an input. Too many around UM think the talent will get us where we want to be. Obviously not.
 
DMoney said:
You can rely on the "eye-test" for talent or you can look at the numbers. Here are the most represented colleges in the NFL, as of Opening Day 2018:

1. Alabama 44
2. LSU 40
3. Florida 38
4. Miami 36
4. Ohio State 36
6. Florida State 33
7. Southern Cal 32
8. Clemson 29
9. Auburn 28
9. Georgia 28

Every team listed has won a title in the past 15 years except Miami and Georgia.
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What pro bowl players have we recently sent to the NFL that are getting finally getting real NFL coaching? I dont care about that number tell me what are they doing compared to Butch's guys, theres not alot.
 
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