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8-4.

Defensive side of the ball is a disaster as of today with starters.

I Only like LT, Rique and the safety’s.

Everybody else is wishful thinking and hoping that guys take the next step.

If we are going with HOPE they could squeeze 9 wins.

I think 8-4 is about right. Offense looks good and could potentially carry the defense if they are lights out.

We just had a season with the fewest interceptions in Miami history. The player with the most was James Williams with 2……..we had 5.5 sacks from Zach Mccloud as the sack leader.

I don’t think we have a double digit sack guy on the roster, LBs, CBs outside of Tyrique are average to below average guys.

The roster of today I can only see 8-4 unless the TVD offense wins games in shootout fashion.
 
motorcitycane said:
8-4.

Defensive side of the ball is a disaster as of today with starters.

I Only like LT, Rique and the safety’s.

Everybody else is wishful thinking and hoping that guys take the next step.

If we are going with HOPE they could squeeze 9 wins.

I think 8-4 is about right. Offense looks good and could potentially carry the defense if they are lights out.

We just had a season with the fewest interceptions in Miami history. The player with the most was James Williams with 2……..we had 5.5 sacks from Zach Mccloud as the sack leader.

I don’t think we have a double digit sack guy on the roster, LBs, CBs outside of Tyrique are average to below average guys.

The roster of today I can only see 8-4 unless the TVD offense wins games in shootout fashion.
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💯; agreed. Like I said, be pleasantly surprised if we win 10+ games…but man, we have holes that will not be fixed in yr 1.
 
First sign of boneheaded clock management and/or inexplicable 4th quarter play calling and he's back to Luigi Cristobal in my book! I ain't scared of you slurpers and the Columbus Crew. Meet me in the Blue Lot if you don't like real talk. Ask for the "new" Laz. The body bags will be ready.

That said, I think we go 10-2. We back. All Star Staff & a Heisman hopeful QB. Meet me in the Green Lot. Victory shots will flow.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I wanted some things to come to fruition before making this post. Clearly, under Mario’s leadership things are different. For a while I’ve complained about the S&C program, & now u’re hearing from our kids’ very own mouths, while trying to be respectful of the old program, admitting both the workouts & nutrition have been more geared towards what they do vs. saying to themselves ‘I can “see’” how this can relate to football.’

We’ve complained about recruiting; being lazy towards certain caliber of players, not having enough eyes out there like a Bama, Clemson, or UGA. Now, we’re seeing the exact opposite, not afraid to aggressively go after top tier talent DESPITE location.

We’ve complained about practices being, too, lax, where coaching wasn’t necessarily done. Brownie points & seniority taking precedence before the first whistle. Now we see guys getting coached up on minor details. Players praising the practices being harder, while seeing our HC, OC, & S&C coaches being right there in the middle, not allowing guys to get away w/ not executing their standards.

Honestly, there’s a lot to be excited for; couple that w/ the fam getting back together & allowed to come through w/ appropriate notice. Media coverage has been WAAAAY better than before. (Shout out to Canesville). Having a great, GREAT AD who comes from a top notch football factory. Having guys on staff w/ NFL credentials, &/or So Fla street cred. Seeing players work their tails out, looking like football players v. high school guys playing at the collegiate level. This has been the most excited I’ve been about the direction of our program since the downfall.

HOWEVER, I wanna swagger jack a partial post from @canesdogo:

“I am convinced that many cane fans will start, bleeting, cussin' and belching, negative crap, when we lose a close game, or a called play does not work out during a crucial game….The big question is........... will our fans give the Canes, Coaches and team a chance to grow and become great, or will impatience win out?.”

This, too, is my concern. We’ve been patiently waiting for 15+ yrs. Let’s be honest, there were & are some serious Mario haters on here, & human nature is sometimes ppl care about being right than being wrong. It’s the sensationalism of saying “Aha, I told u so” vs. seeing what’s best for their program. I’ll admit, I wasn’t a fan of the last 3 hires, however I put on the best pair of O&G glasses for a brief moment to give them a chance. This time, it feels different. It didn’t “feel” different under the previous hires, but like true fans, many convinced ourselves it would b/c we care. Mario 2021 vs Mario 2016 is two different coaches, but make no mistake about it, we r a rebuild & remodel. Some houses just need a coat of paint, while others need the dry rot completely removed & parts renovated. Our house is the latter. So I don’t want the fans who want “Lane Train” to assume in yr 1, if we don’t knock it out the park, we inherited FIU Mario.

Garcia already said it’s been a process learning a new O & D. Pls understand, while we boast some nice, young parts that will be great, we still have holes & ?marks across. That’s not a Mario fault, that’s a previous regime fault. I seen posters say ACCCG or bust, 10+ wins or it’s a failure. U r setting urself up for failure. History shows even the greatest coaches needed 2-3 yrs to right a ship off back on course. So my plead to my fellow Canes fans is to give it just a little time. Our culture has been tarnished, & like any fine jewelry that’s been tarnished, it takes a little time to buff it back to its luster.

It’s great to be a Miami Hurricane, & as Mario said, nothing is done yet. Enjoy what we got cooking, just don’t stick ur head in the pot, too, soon.
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My gosh this is some real deal TRUTH that needed to be said and understood! this definitely needs to be pinned.
 
Yoyo82 said:
10-2 with 2 blowout losses to Clemson and A&M could be just as disappointing as 8-4 with 2 very closes losses to ACC teams and 2 close losses to Clemson and A&M.

There are a lot of factors that go into deciding a successful season. Record is important but how we play for 4 quarters and how the coaches make adjustments are just as important. Can we get short yards on the ground when we need them? Can we get off the field on 3rd and 4th down? Score TDs when we get in the red zone? Keep them to field goals? Not constantly shoot ourselves in the foot with terribly timed penalties?

There are all kinds of other factors that can leave you feeling optimistic even if the record isn't as good as you hope or vice versa.
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I can see a texas a&m blowout but i have more confidence in being competitive vs clemson because its later in the season so we could be more settled in.

10-2 is a huge success for year one and the little stuff you mentioned takes time, its not all gonna be solved after one off season
 
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Yoyo82 said:
10-2 with 2 blowout losses to Clemson and A&M could be just as disappointing as 8-4 with 2 very closes losses to ACC teams and 2 close losses to Clemson and A&M.

There are a lot of factors that go into deciding a successful season. Record is important but how we play for 4 quarters and how the coaches make adjustments are just as important. Can we get short yards on the ground when we need them? Can we get off the field on 3rd and 4th down? Score TDs when we get in the red zone? Keep them to field goals? Not constantly shoot ourselves in the foot with terribly timed penalties?

There are all kinds of other factors that can leave you feeling optimistic even if the record isn't as good as you hope or vice versa.
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If we went 10-2 in the regular season with the only 2 losses being blowouts to ATM and Clemson, I would be ecstatic! That scenario would be a very successful yet realistic reflection of where we are as a program. A team that possesses very good talent yet lacking in depth in many areas particularly OL and DL plus an elite QB. That would reflect a team with the talent to beat the mediocre competition that the ACC(minus Clemson) presents yet still a way from truly competing with the elite national powers. It would almost certainly mean a rematch with Clemson in the ACCCG which I would suspect would be much closer the second time around.

Regardless of the fact that we are at the beginning of a major program rebuild the above scenario isn't out of the question for the very reasons I gave above. Am I expecting the above? No absolutely not because things rarely work out according to the way they appear on paper. On paper we have a very potent offense led be one of the top QBs in the nation in TVD and excellent talent and depth at WR, TE and RB. The OL is the question mark yet that group should greatly benefit as from the superior quality coaching, S&C, nutrition plus improved level of competition. Conventional wisdom would have us logically conclude that the offense will improve from the top 25 unit of 2021. TVD has a full year of starting experience under his belt plus the above together with the assumption that the run game should be greatly improved under Gattis. The funny thing about this is like life in general, things rarely go according to plan or how we thing they should go based on deductive thinking and logical reasoning. Maybe TVD doesn't quite take to the new offense like we are just assuming he will. Maybe injuries at OL and WR put a big wrench in the overall scheme. The point is that we never know how unexpected variables can impact a team during a season.

We all know how much better the coaching staff is under Mario and the defensive staff is no exception. Having Steele and Strong on the same staff almost seems unfair. This defensive staff is the definition of elite and we have quite a few very talented playmakers on this squad. It is literally a layup type given that the overall performance and production from this defense will improve from the absolutely dismal showing of last year. I forget if our total defense was ranked in the 80s or 90s but either way it was putrid. We all know who the players are and what our weaknesses are on defense. There are many budding potential superstars like Leonard Taylor, James Williams, Avantae Williams, Kamren Kinchens, Wesley Bissiante, Chase Smith, Chris Graves, Cyrus Moss and Nyjalik Kelly. There are many solid to very good players and depth pieces like Jake Lichtenstien, Moultrie, Gil Frierson, Keontra Smith, Waynmon Steed, JHH, Chanz Williams, Jafari Harvey etc. Then we have the wildcard types who could blossom or not like Austin Cave, Marcus Clarke, Avery Huff, Elijah Roberts etc. There is talent here and the coaching upgrade will bring out the best in them. What we need is more elite players and much better depth and that isn't exactly breaking news. Overall there is plenty of room for improving the talent base here but there is certainly enough to field a decent to solid, fundamentally sound and competently run defense. A significant improvement is almost certainly guaranteed. Like with the offense the reality rarely matches expectations on paper. Injuries, transfers, the difficulty adjusting to a completely new scheme plus being expected to play with rock solid fundamentals are all potential factors that could impact the bottom line in terms of how this defense ultimately performs in 2022.

Looking at the overall picture on both sides of the ball I honestly expect to see continued success and improvement offensively as well as a complete sea change defensively together with marked improvement as the season progresses. The point is that one season can be subject to various types of unexpected factors that can derail or severely undercut any reasonable logical expectation that we may have in terms of the overall outcome of the 2022 season. The good news is that this program has completely ripped out the status quo and has embraced a firm and total commitment to being the very best football program possible. We have committed to the idea of using our brand name and location to it's maximum achievable benefit. We have made an immense open ended financial commitment unlike anything this program has ever done before. Our infrastructure will be at the very least among the very best in the nation. We have hired a coach with a unique insight into the history of this program, the greatness it has achieved in the past and how it was done because he was a part of it coupled with the practical knowledge and experience of what it takes to achieve that success in the present. That man, Mario Cristobal has not only put in a brand new program infrastructure but he has hired what is arguably the best staff in program history and one of the very best in the entire nation with one overarching goal. To bring this once proud program back to the dominance that it is known for. Back to the very pinnacle of college football. So to conclude, it would be very shortsighted to put to much weight or focus on the way that the first season in this journey unfolds. One season can be affected by a myriad of random and unexpected variables especially at the beginning. However with the systemic and foundational changes that are now firmly in place the ability of random and unexpected factors to undermine the program will be greatly mitigated with each year. In other words, don't let any temporary issues and setbacks discourage you. We are now on a level playing field and we are in this for the long haul to win it all. It will come! Let's F**king Go!
 
Just being honest about some fans when you ask about “giving time”

Not just fans of our program but fans of every team in every sport

Often times that one game per week is the highlight of their week. It’s what their lives are based around. I’m not judging or saying that’s good or bad, but it definitely skews how someone views the bigger picture

Mario has some concerns but he’s also a guy that’s earned the right to have us exercise patience

But we all know there will always be a few that won’t be able to do that. That’s just life.
 
Good post. There are definitely fans who can't wait for the first loss to spew discontent and dispair - it fuels them.
 
Rellyrell said:
I wanted some things to come to fruition before making this post. Clearly, under Mario’s leadership things are different. For a while I’ve complained about the S&C program, & now u’re hearing from our kids’ very own mouths, while trying to be respectful of the old program, admitting both the workouts & nutrition have been more geared towards what they do vs. saying to themselves ‘I can “see’” how this can relate to football.’

We’ve complained about recruiting; being lazy towards certain caliber of players, not having enough eyes out there like a Bama, Clemson, or UGA. Now, we’re seeing the exact opposite, not afraid to aggressively go after top tier talent DESPITE location.

We’ve complained about practices being, too, lax, where coaching wasn’t necessarily done. Brownie points & seniority taking precedence before the first whistle. Now we see guys getting coached up on minor details. Players praising the practices being harder, while seeing our HC, OC, & S&C coaches being right there in the middle, not allowing guys to get away w/ not executing their standards.

Honestly, there’s a lot to be excited for; couple that w/ the fam getting back together & allowed to come through w/ appropriate notice. Media coverage has been WAAAAY better than before. (Shout out to Canesville). Having a great, GREAT AD who comes from a top notch football factory. Having guys on staff w/ NFL credentials, &/or So Fla street cred. Seeing players work their tails out, looking like football players v. high school guys playing at the collegiate level. This has been the most excited I’ve been about the direction of our program since the downfall.

HOWEVER, I wanna swagger jack a partial post from @canesdogo:

“I am convinced that many cane fans will start, bleeting, cussin' and belching, negative crap, when we lose a close game, or a called play does not work out during a crucial game….The big question is........... will our fans give the Canes, Coaches and team a chance to grow and become great, or will impatience win out?.”

This, too, is my concern. We’ve been patiently waiting for 15+ yrs. Let’s be honest, there were & are some serious Mario haters on here, & human nature is sometimes ppl care about being right than being wrong. It’s the sensationalism of saying “Aha, I told u so” vs. seeing what’s best for their program. I’ll admit, I wasn’t a fan of the last 3 hires, however I put on the best pair of O&G glasses for a brief moment to give them a chance. This time, it feels different. It didn’t “feel” different under the previous hires, but like true fans, many convinced ourselves it would b/c we care. Mario 2021 vs Mario 2016 is two different coaches, but make no mistake about it, we r a rebuild & remodel. Some houses just need a coat of paint, while others need the dry rot completely removed & parts renovated. Our house is the latter. So I don’t want the fans who want “Lane Train” to assume in yr 1, if we don’t knock it out the park, we inherited FIU Mario.

Garcia already said it’s been a process learning a new O & D. Pls understand, while we boast some nice, young parts that will be great, we still have holes & ?marks across. That’s not a Mario fault, that’s a previous regime fault. I seen posters say ACCCG or bust, 10+ wins or it’s a failure. U r setting urself up for failure. History shows even the greatest coaches needed 2-3 yrs to right a ship off back on course. So my plead to my fellow Canes fans is to give it just a little time. Our culture has been tarnished, & like any fine jewelry that’s been tarnished, it takes a little time to buff it back to its luster.

It’s great to be a Miami Hurricane, & as Mario said, nothing is done yet. Enjoy what we got cooking, just don’t stick ur head in the pot, too, soon.
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Personally I give every staff until the 3rd year to prove we are headed in the right direction. Year 1, you're working with what you got. The goal is to recruit hard and prove that you're coaching competently and trying to establish culture. Year 2 is more of the same, but things should start looking more refined and a sense of direction should be felt throughout the program. Year 3, you have a lot of your own players now, but they are underclassmen. If the previous players weren't good, your recruits should be supplanting them on the depth chart and we look like a competent team with wins headed in the right direction. Year 4, there's no excuses. By now, everyone should know what they have in a coach.
 
Rellyrell said:
I wanted some things to come to fruition before making this post. Clearly, under Mario’s leadership things are different. For a while I’ve complained about the S&C program, & now u’re hearing from our kids’ very own mouths, while trying to be respectful of the old program, admitting both the workouts & nutrition have been more geared towards what they do vs. saying to themselves ‘I can “see’” how this can relate to football.’

We’ve complained about recruiting; being lazy towards certain caliber of players, not having enough eyes out there like a Bama, Clemson, or UGA. Now, we’re seeing the exact opposite, not afraid to aggressively go after top tier talent DESPITE location.

We’ve complained about practices being, too, lax, where coaching wasn’t necessarily done. Brownie points & seniority taking precedence before the first whistle. Now we see guys getting coached up on minor details. Players praising the practices being harder, while seeing our HC, OC, & S&C coaches being right there in the middle, not allowing guys to get away w/ not executing their standards.

Honestly, there’s a lot to be excited for; couple that w/ the fam getting back together & allowed to come through w/ appropriate notice. Media coverage has been WAAAAY better than before. (Shout out to Canesville). Having a great, GREAT AD who comes from a top notch football factory. Having guys on staff w/ NFL credentials, &/or So Fla street cred. Seeing players work their tails out, looking like football players v. high school guys playing at the collegiate level. This has been the most excited I’ve been about the direction of our program since the downfall.

HOWEVER, I wanna swagger jack a partial post from @canesdogo:

“I am convinced that many cane fans will start, bleeting, cussin' and belching, negative crap, when we lose a close game, or a called play does not work out during a crucial game….The big question is........... will our fans give the Canes, Coaches and team a chance to grow and become great, or will impatience win out?.”

This, too, is my concern. We’ve been patiently waiting for 15+ yrs. Let’s be honest, there were & are some serious Mario haters on here, & human nature is sometimes ppl care about being right than being wrong. It’s the sensationalism of saying “Aha, I told u so” vs. seeing what’s best for their program. I’ll admit, I wasn’t a fan of the last 3 hires, however I put on the best pair of O&G glasses for a brief moment to give them a chance. This time, it feels different. It didn’t “feel” different under the previous hires, but like true fans, many convinced ourselves it would b/c we care. Mario 2021 vs Mario 2016 is two different coaches, but make no mistake about it, we r a rebuild & remodel. Some houses just need a coat of paint, while others need the dry rot completely removed & parts renovated. Our house is the latter. So I don’t want the fans who want “Lane Train” to assume in yr 1, if we don’t knock it out the park, we inherited FIU Mario.

Garcia already said it’s been a process learning a new O & D. Pls understand, while we boast some nice, young parts that will be great, we still have holes & ?marks across. That’s not a Mario fault, that’s a previous regime fault. I seen posters say ACCCG or bust, 10+ wins or it’s a failure. U r setting urself up for failure. History shows even the greatest coaches needed 2-3 yrs to right a ship off back on course. So my plead to my fellow Canes fans is to give it just a little time. Our culture has been tarnished, & like any fine jewelry that’s been tarnished, it takes a little time to buff it back to its luster.

It’s great to be a Miami Hurricane, & as Mario said, nothing is done yet. Enjoy what we got cooking, just don’t stick ur head in the pot, too, soon.
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Sh*t man, we all know how this goes. Bunch of dudes will slowly inflate what’s possible next season until less than 11 wins and beating Clemson and a NY6 bowl is a failure. TVD will need to be a Brianna finalist or he will have underperformed. Mario will need a top 5 class or it’s a failure. CIS has proven again and again and again that they can’t appreciate anything. And the best part is that you aren’t getting bashed for this post because people respect you, but if somebody else said this (true) sh*t, motherf*cker’s would be in here with that’s “battered woman” stuff. Like if you dare to think less than a NC is ok, you’re some kind of p*ssy. And I don’t think most of the culprits are really against Mario so much as they just can’t be happy with anything.

So yeah, you’re right on with your post. I would like to think people can do better this time, but they just won’t.
 
poncho0091 said:
Personally I give every staff until the 3rd year to prove we are headed in the right direction. Year 1, you're working with what you got. The goal is to recruit hard and prove that you're coaching competently and trying to establish culture. Year 2 is more of the same, but things should start looking more refined and a sense of direction should be felt throughout the program. Year 3, you have a lot of your own players now, but they are underclassmen. If the previous players weren't good, your recruits should be supplanting them on the depth chart and we look like a competent team with wins headed in the right direction. Year 4, there's no excuses. By now, everyone should know what they have in a coach.
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Agreed. I’ve stated many times on here that by yr. 3, u’ll know what u have in a coach.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I wanted some things to come to fruition before making this post. Clearly, under Mario’s leadership things are different. For a while I’ve complained about the S&C program, & now u’re hearing from our kids’ very own mouths, while trying to be respectful of the old program, admitting both the workouts & nutrition have been more geared towards what they do vs. saying to themselves ‘I can “see’” how this can relate to football.’

We’ve complained about recruiting; being lazy towards certain caliber of players, not having enough eyes out there like a Bama, Clemson, or UGA. Now, we’re seeing the exact opposite, not afraid to aggressively go after top tier talent DESPITE location.

We’ve complained about practices being, too, lax, where coaching wasn’t necessarily done. Brownie points & seniority taking precedence before the first whistle. Now we see guys getting coached up on minor details. Players praising the practices being harder, while seeing our HC, OC, & S&C coaches being right there in the middle, not allowing guys to get away w/ not executing their standards.

Honestly, there’s a lot to be excited for; couple that w/ the fam getting back together & allowed to come through w/ appropriate notice. Media coverage has been WAAAAY better than before. (Shout out to Canesville). Having a great, GREAT AD who comes from a top notch football factory. Having guys on staff w/ NFL credentials, &/or So Fla street cred. Seeing players work their tails out, looking like football players v. high school guys playing at the collegiate level. This has been the most excited I’ve been about the direction of our program since the downfall.

HOWEVER, I wanna swagger jack a partial post from @canesdogo:

“I am convinced that many cane fans will start, bleeting, cussin' and belching, negative crap, when we lose a close game, or a called play does not work out during a crucial game….The big question is........... will our fans give the Canes, Coaches and team a chance to grow and become great, or will impatience win out?.”

This, too, is my concern. We’ve been patiently waiting for 15+ yrs. Let’s be honest, there were & are some serious Mario haters on here, & human nature is sometimes ppl care about being right than being wrong. It’s the sensationalism of saying “Aha, I told u so” vs. seeing what’s best for their program. I’ll admit, I wasn’t a fan of the last 3 hires, however I put on the best pair of O&G glasses for a brief moment to give them a chance. This time, it feels different. It didn’t “feel” different under the previous hires, but like true fans, many convinced ourselves it would b/c we care. Mario 2021 vs Mario 2016 is two different coaches, but make no mistake about it, we r a rebuild & remodel. Some houses just need a coat of paint, while others need the dry rot completely removed & parts renovated. Our house is the latter. So I don’t want the fans who want “Lane Train” to assume in yr 1, if we don’t knock it out the park, we inherited FIU Mario.

Garcia already said it’s been a process learning a new O & D. Pls understand, while we boast some nice, young parts that will be great, we still have holes & ?marks across. That’s not a Mario fault, that’s a previous regime fault. I seen posters say ACCCG or bust, 10+ wins or it’s a failure. U r setting urself up for failure. History shows even the greatest coaches needed 2-3 yrs to right a ship off back on course. So my plead to my fellow Canes fans is to give it just a little time. Our culture has been tarnished, & like any fine jewelry that’s been tarnished, it takes a little time to buff it back to its luster.

It’s great to be a Miami Hurricane, & as Mario said, nothing is done yet. Enjoy what we got cooking, just don’t stick ur head in the pot, too, soon.
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Great stuff. I’ve learned that in life (and CIS) there’s about 10-15% of the population that no matter what are just miserable a**holes. You can do nothing with these people. They will always complain, look to blame others for their shortcomings, and constantly bring rain to your parade. They hate themselves and project that onto everybody and everything they encounter. They’re like a virus… The 85-90% of Canes fans that are decent, rational people understand what’s happening here and will enjoy the ride, with the occasional fan critiquing that goes along with being a sports fan. The other 10-15% will always be around, lurking in the shadows, ready to pounce and steal everyone’s joy. That’s just life.
 
motorcitycane said:
8-4.

Defensive side of the ball is a disaster as of today with starters.

I Only like LT, Rique and the safety’s.

Everybody else is wishful thinking and hoping that guys take the next step.

If we are going with HOPE they could squeeze 9 wins.

I think 8-4 is about right. Offense looks good and could potentially carry the defense if they are lights out.

We just had a season with the fewest interceptions in Miami history. The player with the most was James Williams with 2……..we had 5.5 sacks from Zach Mccloud as the sack leader.

I don’t think we have a double digit sack guy on the roster, LBs, CBs outside of Tyrique are average to below average guys.

The roster of today I can only see 8-4 unless the TVD offense wins games in shootout fashion.
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We are playing scrubs. The only good teams we are playing next year are Clemson and Tamu. Not to mention porsters have been ripping TAMU for months now talking about how overrated they are and how much of a Corch Jimbo is without Crablegs. Now all of a sudden TAMU is the unstoppable monster that we can't even beat with our Heisman hopeful QB.

With this "elite" staff we have, we should lose no more than 2 regular season games. At the absolute worst we should lose 3. Clemson, TAMU, and Marios signature loss against a less talented team. We have more talent than every team on the schedule already, besides TAMU and Clemson.
 
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