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The biggest difference between Miami and Michigan

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Cribby said:
How many current coaches have won natty’s in Cfb? How many coaches have been as successful as Jim at schools like San Diego , Stanford who was a doormat joke , took over a mess in SF taking them to a SB, then building Michigan into a constant playoff contender? I think that’s kinda impressive.
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Nah, Harbaugh is great.

SD 2000-2003 (before Harbaugh) 24-15
SD 2004-2006 (w/ Harbaugh) 29-6 (22-2 2005-2006)

Stanford 2003-2006 (before Harbaugh) 14-31 (1-11 the year before Harbaugh) (didn't have a winning season since 2001 before Harbaugh)
Stanford 2007-2010 (w/ Harbaugh): 29-21 (won Orange bowl)


49ers were a joke before Harbaugh. Didn't qualify for playoffs since 2002. two 2-win seasons included.

w/ Harbaugh (44-19) three straight NFC championship games and one Super Bowl.
 
Funny that we are now so called physical, but many times when it counted, we coundnt get that 3rd or 4th and short by being more physical than the man on the other side. Coaching and play calling matter. Yet again weve done less with the ingredients we did have than we could have.

A good QB can mask a lot of issues. Hoping we strike gold in the portal.

Plenty of teams are showing you can have some version of both…being physical at the line but fast and dynamic at skill positions.
 
mossmadness said:
Michigan had 338 yards

They were 3-12 on third down

They averaged 4 yards a carry

They scored 30 points, 7 of which was set up by their defense getting an INT deep in OSU territory


This is not an offense or style of football anybody should want to try to emulate.


And the real difference between Michigan and Miami is the floor of the offense under Mario.

I’ve tried to impart this a bunch. But Mario has at minimum 5 negative offensive value games a year. Every year. His entire career. Regardless of OC. Regardless of QB.

He has 3 20+ positive value games for his entire career.

Even Harbaugh’s offensive floor doesn’t collapse to that degree when his man ball bullsh*t isn’t working.
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Bingo. Also nobody has mentioned that trash *** Michigan who has never won a ship despite having elite talent is that.....

They've known every fckin play their opponent was about to run!!!

Easy to play bro ball when you know your defense has an uncanny advantage and will keep the score low.

**** Michigan and their ****** style of football.
 
mossmadness said:
Michigan had 338 yards

They were 3-12 on third down

They averaged 4 yards a carry

They scored 30 points, 7 of which was set up by their defense getting an INT deep in OSU territory


This is not an offense or style of football anybody should want to try to emulate.


And the real difference between Michigan and Miami is the floor of the offense under Mario.

I’ve tried to impart this a bunch. But Mario has at minimum 5 negative offensive value games a year. Every year. His entire career. Regardless of OC. Regardless of QB.

He has 3 20+ positive value games for his entire career.

Even Harbaugh’s offensive floor doesn’t collapse to that degree when his man ball bullsh*t isn’t working.
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...and Michigan is 12-0 at the end of the regular season lol. Imagine acting like that's not good enough. Y'all flip flop between only caring about wins, and only caring about how we look trying to get those wins.

People don't want to admit it but we aren't even close to emulating Michigans offense. They run the ball FAR more than we have. It's not even close. Literally like a game ago they didn't pass the ball once in the second half lol. Like look at our WRs vs Michigans, it's not even a competition.

What Michigan is showing is that you can win a **** load of games even with that type of offense y'all hate so much. It's not saying we want to be or should want to be that type of offense. But why does it work for them while we struggled? Cause we turned the ball over, had **** penalties, and a couple dumb coaching decisions. Less fumbles and interceptions + take a knee at end of GTech game = 10 win season.
 
mossmadness said:
It shows just how low the ceiling is to his offensive style even when it’s working, and how bad things get when it doesn’t work, and it doesn’t work a ton.

And honestly, Harbaugh’s is the same when you look at the ceiling. His teams rarely have these games where they are creating a positive offensive value of 20+. Just like Mario. Because he spends too much time running into bunched boxes and burning plays and putting his offense in third and long too much.

The difference is he’s better at bro-ball.
So while you don’t see a ton of impressive offensive value performances every year when you look at Michigan, you also don’t see these complete floor dropping games. Where there’s not only a ton of negative value games, but they are like double digit negative value games.

And that’s Mario. And until he figures out how to stop that, nothing will matter. And it’s not a question of giving him time to turn us into what he did at Oregon. Because every year at Oregon follows the exact same pattern. Without fail.
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It's an effective strategy to beat the wide open "spread high-tempo" offenses.

When it works, it works very well.

No one criticizes Bama and UGA for doing it.
 
JustAFanHTX said:
You want to be like a team that when the playoffs start is yet again going to lose to a spread finesse team. It’s official fella’s we have reached insanity
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Georgia and Oregon are also physical, ball-control offenses. They run efficiently, physically dominate when necessary and protect the ball. They just have an explosive element on top of their ability to control the game.

The OP isn’t saying we should be like Michigan. I would rather be Georgia and Oregon. But the biggest reason Michigan wins is because they do the things we don’t do- protect the ball, manage the game and make good decisions from the top down.
 
calinative umstudent said:
...and Michigan is 12-0 at the end of the regular season lol. Imagine acting like that's not good enough. Y'all flip flop between only caring about wins, and only caring about how we look trying to get those wins.

People don't want to admit it but we aren't even close to emulating Michigans offense. They run the ball FAR more than we have. It's not even close. Literally like a game ago they didn't pass the ball once in the second half lol. Like look at our WRs vs Michigans, it's not even a competition.

What Michigan is showing is that you can win a **** load of games even with that type of offense y'all hate so much. It's not saying we want to be or should want to be that type of offense. But why does it work for them while we struggled? Cause we turned the ball over, had **** penalties, and a couple dumb coaching decisions. Less fumbles and interceptions + take a knee at end of GTech game = 10 win season.
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Michigan also plays a bunch of slow *** northern teams.

Iowa is 10-2 this year and about to play in the Big 10 Championship.

What other conference is that even possible?

What other playoff team would have lost to TCU last year?
 
DMoney said:
Physical, ball-control football still wins the games that matter. Miami tried to establish this culture all year. Our OL is actually better than Michigan’s right now- watch how the NFL draft plays out.

Yes, Michigan is the better team overall with the better defense and deeper NFL talent. But the difference should not be as stark as it is. What’s the biggest difference between the two teams? Game management.

Michigan is 5th nationally in fewest giveaways. Miami is 107th. And despite Michigan using a dozen different head coaches, they consistently make better decisions in crucial situations. They also had a smart quarterback who was at his best when his team needed a conversion.

You can’t be a physical, grind-it-out team if you consistently fail to manage the game. The reason Miami is 7-5 is because the coaches and quarterback did not consistently manage the game all season.
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also they have a mobile QB that can extend plays, and make plays with his legs. I thought that was key today vs OSU
 
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Empirical Cane said:
It's an effective strategy to beat the wide open "spread high-tempo" offenses.

When it works, it works very well.

No one criticizes Bama and UGA for doing it.
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But it’s not.

It’s why he lost to TCU. That’s the great tragedy of it.

Michigan would have beat TCU last year had they been running what TCU was running.

It’s because they burned so much of the clock and wasted so many possessions running into a crowded box, that TCU was able to upset them.

And TCU was a 3* talent team.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Also it took Harbaugh more than 3 years to build to this point. They used to get pushed around by OSU and Michigan State so bad he took a pay cut.

It won't happen overnight. Took him a minute to find his quarterback too.
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But CIS GM's say it should only take 1 year because Brohm and other 1st year coaches are doing it too... 😂😂😂😂

Football will and has always been a "contextual" game. Each team/school has to deal with situational context unique to them. I've never understood the "they are doing it argument" so should we. Life and sports doesn't work that way. What works in Long Beach doesn't work the same Malibu😂😂😂
 
mossmadness said:
But it’s not.

It’s why he lost to TCU. That’s the great tragedy of it.

Michigan would have beat TCU last year had they been running what TCU was running.

It’s because they burned so much of the clock and wasted so many possessions running into a crowded box, that TCU was able to upset them.

And TCU was a 3* talent team.
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Michigan failed to execute against TCU is why they lost, not style.
 
Michigan also didn't know TCU's signs for that game. TCU used dummy signs or whatever the story is because they were tipped off on Michigan having their signs.
 
mossmadness said:
Michigan also plays a bunch of slow *** northern teams.

Iowa is 10-2 this year and about to play in the Big 10 Championship.

What other conference is that even possible?

What other playoff team would have lost to TCU last year?
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We won't ever know what other playoff teams if Michigan hadn't been in would have lost to TCU.

We also don't really know how well Iowa stacks up against non B10 matchups givej they won all their non-con games this year. Last year they whooped Kentucky in the Bowl game but those matter less and less. Iowa has consistently had a great defense. But this yr they avoided Michigan and OSU this year. Not much different than like Louisville not playing FSU, UNC, and Clemson this yr. We had by far toughest schedule in ACC this year. Louisville isn't that good either. FSU barely beat us - without a QB basically lol.
 
One thing that's been left out is Urbans high octane spread offense. He was physical and modern at the same time. When he was coach 10 win Harbaughs (must be nice) was in life support.

Urban have a bad QB? He coaches em up. QB gets hurt, backup gets hurt? Urban recruited well enough and coached well enough to win a Ring.
 
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dycane said:
Michigan is better at almost every single position, deeper at almost every single position, has better coaches by a mile, and its players look like professionals handling their business every week. Other than that, OP is spot on.
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the vast majority of their players are also smarter
 
DMoney said:
Physical, ball-control football still wins the games that matter. Miami tried to establish this culture all year. Our OL is actually better than Michigan’s right now- watch how the NFL draft plays out.

Yes, Michigan is the better team overall with the better defense and deeper NFL talent. But the difference should not be as stark as it is. What’s the biggest difference between the two teams? Game management.

Michigan is 5th nationally in fewest giveaways. Miami is 107th. And despite Michigan using a dozen different head coaches, they consistently make better decisions in crucial situations. They also had a smart quarterback who was at his best when his team needed a conversion.

You can’t be a physical, grind-it-out team if you consistently fail to manage the game. The reason Miami is 7-5 is because the coaches and quarterback did not consistently manage the game all season.
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We need a qb and more weapons on the outside and we cooking
 
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