Strength and Conditioning

[paksat]

Clemson bullied us. Not sure if that's S&C or that we didn't match their intensity.

But they pushed us backward with their defense and exploded our ball carriers. And they pushed us forward with their offense. Their offense was consistently getting several yards after initial contact.

same thing pitt did

same thing unc did, to a degree

it's a pattern

 

[Reppingtheu]

For last 5 years those teams are bringing in 2-3 Navaughn Donaldsons and developing them before They see the field. We bring in One Donaldson and throw him into the fire without developing him and hope for the same results. Takes more than just a big guy to be a legit lineman. Need freaks of nature, and more than one every year before you can dominate.

 

[OldhamA]

I have zero issue with the size of the players on D - we value speed over size. They're big enough. We simply need the 2nd string to be able to step in for limited reps with little drop off and our offence to actually move the ball so the D isn't on the field for 40 minutes.

On O I question the strength and conditioning of the Oline - just look at McDermott, he's hugely out of shape. That's because he's not an elite athlete and they've bulked him up so he has an anchor to play LT. I have no problem with the size of the skill players considering where they are in their development.

Both of these problems can be fixed with recruiting. We need to recruit better athletes - the SEC doesn't have a magic formula, they just bulk recruit the biggest, fastest, strongest players in the nation and see them blossom as 20/21/22 year olds after two or three years in their weight room.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Don’t we, ya know, lead the nation in sacks and TFLs per game?

We’re not good enough yet.

The end.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

Oh my god another round of S&C threads.

As opposed to another round of:

-Rosier sucks threads
-Richt is god/idiot
-Diaz is god/idiot

S&C is a serious question. Guys with 2 years in the program shouldn’t/wouldn’t look fat or weak or thin. UGA, OSU, Auburn, Clemson, Wisconsin and Miami played yesterday and Miami looked the smallest. And, I’m just talking about the kids identified as freshman or sophomores.

You need to stop injecting your personal limitations into these threads.

The "looked small/smallest" is my favorite line of discourse. It's the most reliable metric we have at our disposal and one reason I don't even look at player weights and strength numbers, I look at how well they fill out their uniform.

Your wording is confusing. You're saying our freshman and sophomores are the only ones who look too small, yet also evaluating "guys with 2 years in the program"? Which is it?

S&C is the hobby horse of the fan base, along with cleat color, sock height and knee pads. The fact that S&C could have genuine bearing on games and the other toys cannot does not make it a smoking gun, it just makes it convenient. What I saw last night was a depleted, overmatched team who got run over by far more than a more dominant S&C program.

What if we don't have enough players that can carry elite size and elite speed? (We don't) You want Goldie era meatheads just so you can feel good about a silhouette? All the times when we are the fastest team on the field, were you complaining about how small we looked? No, because on those days the hobby horse doesn't ride, despite my injected limitations.

 

[AK_Cane]

50lbs in a Clemson weight room is the same as 50lbs in a Miami weight room. At some point y'all gotta realize that it ain't the S&C

Come on don't be that dull. It all about how you lift that "50" pounds though. I am tired of of getting physically dominated whenever we play a team with a pulse. We don't have the speed yet to make up for the lack of strength

 

[Hurricane23]

It's simple Clemson is a better team than us right now in every phase of the game and it showed. They have more talent than us and they more depth than us.

 

[nycane]

It's simple Clemson is a better team than us right now in every phase of the game and it showed. They have more talent than us and they more depth than us.

Dabo has been building that roster for years. 18 and 19 classes will get us to that point. the last two years alot of guys got experience, now the 18 kids will have to come in and give us depth.

 

[88]

Christ we’re back to slamming S&C for getting **** pushed in. But hard to believe our retarded run blocking isn’t somehow based on our line being soft

 

[PSU Cane]

50lbs in a Clemson weight room is the same as 50lbs in a Miami weight room. At some point y'all gotta realize that it ain't the S&C

This lol

That is so not true. I'm not commenting on Big Gus at all with this comment, but anyone who has ever trained with bodybuilders and powerlifters understand they way they lift and the weight they move is completely different.

Same thing with football players - it's about developing functional strength while not sacrificing flexibility and speed. It's a science and needs to be tailored to each individual player as each players body type, strengths, weaknesses and functional needs are different.

There's a reason Bama pays their S&C guy so much.

 

[nycane]

50lbs in a Clemson weight room is the same as 50lbs in a Miami weight room. At some point y'all gotta realize that it ain't the S&C

This lol

That is so not true. I'm not commenting on Big Gus at all with this comment, but anyone who has ever trained with bodybuilders and powerlifters understand they way they lift and the weight they move is completely different.

Same thing with football players - it's about developing functional strength while not sacrificing flexibility and speed. It's a science and needs to be tailored to each individual player as each players body type, strengths, weaknesses and functional needs are different.

There's a reason Bama pays their S&C guy so much.

are players look much faster. some kids just arent top notch athletes. EVERY says we look much faster.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

50lbs in a Clemson weight room is the same as 50lbs in a Miami weight room. At some point y'all gotta realize that it ain't the S&C

This lol

That is so not true. I'm not commenting on Big Gus at all with this comment, but anyone who has ever trained with bodybuilders and powerlifters understand they way they lift and the weight they move is completely different.

Same thing with football players - it's about developing functional strength while not sacrificing flexibility and speed. It's a science and needs to be tailored to each individual player as each players body type, strengths, weaknesses and functional needs are different.

There's a reason Bama pays their S&C guy so much.

The irony is that Clemson's S&C coach is a complete bro who trains his athletes like powerlifters, likely to their detriment.

People always cite Scott Cochran at Bama for being some sort of god. He isn't. I've seen his programs, and while they aren't "bad", they're actually pretty basic and a little too dominant in the sagittal plane. The reality is that he trains 5 star athletes day in and day out, year after year. How hard do you think it is to train Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, Derek Henry, and Bo Scarbrough? His only job is to not hurt his players, and he's good enough at just doing that.

The reason Alabama and now Clemson have become top-tier programs is because they're recruiting better athletes than everyone else. Give Richt more time and Miami will be there as well.

 

[MIATL]

Richt said it from the jump ...

Not enough “big dudes” and not enough “fast dudes”.

He’s in year 2 ... Let’s give him a few years to get his “dudes” in the program before we have an absolute answer on S&C.

****, UGA’s S&C coach came from Marshall ... But, somehow, his UGA team looks different than his Marshall teams. Same coach, different results ... Different kids, different results.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

I wrote a more in depth post about strength and conditioning but apparently mods have to approve it or something?

 

[The Svengali]

We need a good HGH and steroid guy that’s a friend of the program. Yeah, I said it!

 

[sdaly12]

I live in Atlanta and Georgia looks faster and more physical than they have in 15 years. They are bragging that they have 4 RB's
who can squat 600 lbs ? diet plan , new S&C program ...... come on man
Clemson is deeper but also more physical and faster. we can win 10 games but to take the next step we need to be on the same program that Bama, Georgia
Clemson....are on in their S&C program we have not looked or performed at that level since Butch left coincidence ? i think not
To win it all today , get with the "program..... winning 8,9 10 games and getting crushed by teams that have that kind of edge will get old
great comment on Bamas S&C guy as well.....

 

[simplycanes]

We have some Special Ed topics on this board, but strength and conditioning threads are my favorite. Every one of you fuggers that has a CrossFit membership is now a certified power, strength and agility coach.

 

[AlphaMarshan]

We have some Special Ed topics on this board, but strength and conditioning threads are my favorite. Every one of you fuggers that has a CrossFit membership is now a certified power, strength and agility coach.

I wrote a more in depth post that got lost in cyberspace, but actually yes I am a strength and conditioning coach who did his Master's here at UM. We have a top notch Graduate Strength and Conditioning Program.

 

[paksat]

We have some Special Ed topics on this board, but strength and conditioning threads are my favorite. Every one of you fuggers that has a CrossFit membership is now a certified power, strength and agility coach.

I wrote a more in depth post that got lost in cyberspace, but actually yes I am a strength and conditioning coach who did his Master's here at UM. We have a top notch Graduate Strength and Conditioning Program.

so what's your thoughts?

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Oh my god another round of S&C threads.

As opposed to another round of:

-Rosier sucks threads
-Richt is god/idiot
-Diaz is god/idiot

S&C is a serious question. Guys with 2 years in the program shouldn’t/wouldn’t look fat or weak or thin. UGA, OSU, Auburn, Clemson, Wisconsin and Miami played yesterday and Miami looked the smallest. And, I’m just talking about the kids identified as freshman or sophomores.

You need to stop injecting your personal limitations into these threads.

The "looked small/smallest" is my favorite line of discourse. It's the most reliable metric we have at our disposal and one reason I don't even look at player weights and strength numbers, I look at how well they fill out their uniform.

Your wording is confusing. You're saying our freshman and sophomores are the only ones who look too small, yet also evaluating "guys with 2 years in the program"? Which is it?

S&C is the hobby horse of the fan base, along with cleat color, sock height and knee pads. The fact that S&C could have genuine bearing on games and the other toys cannot does not make it a smoking gun, it just makes it convenient. What I saw last night was a depleted, overmatched team who got run over by far more than a more dominant S&C program.

What if we don't have enough players that can carry elite size and elite speed? (We don't) You want Goldie era meatheads just so you can feel good about a silhouette? All the times when we are the fastest team on the field, were you complaining about how small we looked? No, because on those days the hobby horse doesn't ride, despite my injected limitations.

And people who ignore what their eyes are showing them, assuming they have the ability to process what they see, are also annoying, no? Miami plays guys like Harley and Thomas. Slight exaggeration but they look like they run cross country. You don’t see other freshman at elite programs who look like them. I don’t like to pick on players so I won’t call anymore names but don’t act like people are being unfair by discussing the S&C. (Also use them as they are true freshman and would not have been able to benefit from the S&C in the short amount of time they’ve been on campus; just showing that they are forced into action before they are ready. And Harley and Thomas are better blockers than Harris, Langham and Cager)

I’m only using the two years that Richt and the S&C have been in place. Though it would certainly be fair to evaluate everyone who has been under his charges for the last two years, that would only lead to cries of “he’s not one of Richt’s players...” UGAs freshman and sophomores are elite. They should be, both classes were top-5. To not recognize there is a difference is to be argumentative for no reason.

There is a difference between making guys bigger (Golden) and making guys better (Swinney), you should know better than to compare the two. It’s a false choice. Conflating legitimate questions of S&C with “fantastical performance toys”, again, is your issue. And, attempting to shut down discussion(s) you may not agree with based on your own beliefs is not why moderator is in orange under your avatar.

Asking, “what if we don’t have enough players [who] can carry elite size and elite speed?” Is moot; it has ZERO to do with the OBSERVATION that Miami’s strength and conditioning pales in comparison to elite programs. Something many of us would agree, even if reluctantly, that Miami is NOT at the current time.

As for the illegitimate discussion devices you regards as “toys”… that’s YOUR opinion. Abusing your authority to eliminate these types of discussions is why I called you out. Because it’s not the first time.