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This is still the talk on non-local radio. Of course it's the talking heads "No one has a single player doing any ads so this isn't NIL..." without so much as mentioning Miami.

On one hand, I'm angry that they don't recognize Ruiz doing everything by whatever book's out there.

On the other hand, Miami not being spoken about in all this kinda feels good.
 


Interesting back story on Nick and Jimbo's relationship... Apparently some who know them both felt this confrontation was likely long overdue...


Highlights:

-It often felt to some observers that there were two groups at SEC coaches meetings — the Nick Saban guys and the others.

“Everybody’s kissing Saban’s *** like a big fraternity,” said one former SEC coach. “In the breaks (between meetings), all the Saban people are laughing and joking like they were brothers.”

Many believed that Jimbo Fisher and Saban had that sort of dynamic, the master and apprentice who worked together to build LSU into a national champion in 2003, before Fisher went on to win a championship as head coach at Florida State 10 years later and become one of the highest-paid coaches in the game. From the outside, there appeared to be a healthy dynamic between two powerful college football elder statesmen.

-“There was (friction) all the time,” said one staffer who worked with both coaches at LSU. “Will (Muschamp) and Kirby (Smart) and all the defensive guys all bowed down to Nick, but Nick depended on Jimbo a lot. But Nick is so hard on his (offensive coordinators). They were always at each other’s throats.”

-“Oh, it ain’t like Nick and Kirby,” one former LSU position coach said. “There is no love lost between Nick and Jimbo — at all.”

-Saban is a man built on process and details. And some of those didn’t sit quite right with Fisher. “Jimbo complained about everything Nick wanted to do,” said one staffer.

“Jimbo would complain about things Nick would say or do and always talk about the Bowdens,” another staffer said. “Jimbo was big on the Bowdens, and he just couldn’t stand what Nick was trying to do.”

-The tension between the two stemmed from Fisher’s belief that Saban’s philosophy limited his offense. Saban is also a notoriously demanding boss.
Saban spent all day scripting the practice and then gave Fisher 10 minutes to script 80 plays. Fisher had to give the offensive script to Saban and then the defense got to run the entire series knowing the offense’s script. Whenever it would be offense versus defense, Fisher did everything in his power to win. He’d draw up trick plays or adjust outside of the purpose of the drill.

“Jimbo would try to pencil-whip Nick to win the drill,” a staffer said. “And Nick would say, ‘That’s not what it’s about. We’re trying to get better getting ready for an opponent. That’s not how they’re gonna do it in a game.’”

- Saban’s offensive philosophy in those days was about shrinking the game, reducing mistakes and allowing his defense to win it. And Saban likes to manage every little detail. They’d often agree on the amount of snaps for a certain formation or a certain amount of runs, and sometimes Fisher would stray from that. The problem was Saban could remember exactly what they were supposed to do.

“Jimbo wanted to run all these fancy plays,” a staffer said. “Jimbo is an ‘offensive guru.’ … He wanted to showcase his playbook, and that was the biggest argument between those two.”

- When asking former staffers what Fisher was referencing when he said in Thursday’s rant, “Just go ask the people that work for him; you’ll know exactly what he’s about,” many say he was referring to the demanding lifestyle of working for Saban.

Assistants had to be there before Saban and were expected to be there until after he was gone. It was a constant grind of recruiting and coaching, and then they’d sit in the film room after practice as Saban listed all the things that could be corrected or improved upon. One assistant coach said his son played high school football in Baton Rouge and he saw him play a total of one and a half games.

“Everybody has a tremendous amount of respect for him, but that’s why most guys can’t work for him more than two years,” the coach said. “They all say that **** about, ‘He wants you to only work two years.’ Bull****. That’s about all you can take.”

The shock at the Wednesday-Thursday exchange between the two exists on both sides. Some were frustrated with Saban. “Glass houses,” one coach said. “Don’t throw rocks.” Another said: “C’mon guys. It’s like the mafia. Don’t go out there and talk about it. And he was wrong for making those broad-stroke accusations.”
Others were annoyed by Fisher’s emotional rebuttal. “It’s just Jimbo being Jimbo,” a former coach said. Another said: “It was all so predictable. He just couldn’t let it go and think like, ‘Ha ha, ***** him. I got his ***.’

The biggest question remains "Why did Saban feel compelled to make those comments?" Multiple sources told The Athletic they think Saban was making excuses for being beat in recruiting.

Seems like the overall feeling is “Some things are just better left unsaid.”
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:


Interesting back story on Nick and Jimbo's relationship... Apparently some who know them both felt this confrontation was likely long overdue...


Highlights:

-It often felt to some observers that there were two groups at SEC coaches meetings — the Nick Saban guys and the others.

“Everybody’s kissing Saban’s *** like a big fraternity,” said one former SEC coach. “In the breaks (between meetings), all the Saban people are laughing and joking like they were brothers.”

Many believed that Jimbo Fisher and Saban had that sort of dynamic, the master and apprentice who worked together to build LSU into a national champion in 2003, before Fisher went on to win a championship as head coach at Florida State 10 years later and become one of the highest-paid coaches in the game. From the outside, there appeared to be a healthy dynamic between two powerful college football elder statesmen.

-“There was (friction) all the time,” said one staffer who worked with both coaches at LSU. “Will (Muschamp) and Kirby (Smart) and all the defensive guys all bowed down to Nick, but Nick depended on Jimbo a lot. But Nick is so hard on his (offensive coordinators). They were always at each other’s throats.”

-“Oh, it ain’t like Nick and Kirby,” one former LSU position coach said. “There is no love lost between Nick and Jimbo — at all.”

-Saban is a man built on process and details. And some of those didn’t sit quite right with Fisher. “Jimbo complained about everything Nick wanted to do,” said one staffer.

“Jimbo would complain about things Nick would say or do and always talk about the Bowdens,” another staffer said. “Jimbo was big on the Bowdens, and he just couldn’t stand what Nick was trying to do.”

-The tension between the two stemmed from Fisher’s belief that Saban’s philosophy limited his offense. Saban is also a notoriously demanding boss.
Saban spent all day scripting the practice and then gave Fisher 10 minutes to script 80 plays. Fisher had to give the offensive script to Saban and then the defense got to run the entire series knowing the offense’s script. Whenever it would be offense versus defense, Fisher did everything in his power to win. He’d draw up trick plays or adjust outside of the purpose of the drill.

“Jimbo would try to pencil-whip Nick to win the drill,” a staffer said. “And Nick would say, ‘That’s not what it’s about. We’re trying to get better getting ready for an opponent. That’s not how they’re gonna do it in a game.’”

- Saban’s offensive philosophy in those days was about shrinking the game, reducing mistakes and allowing his defense to win it. And Saban likes to manage every little detail. They’d often agree on the amount of snaps for a certain formation or a certain amount of runs, and sometimes Fisher would stray from that. The problem was Saban could remember exactly what they were supposed to do.

“Jimbo wanted to run all these fancy plays,” a staffer said. “Jimbo is an ‘offensive guru.’ … He wanted to showcase his playbook, and that was the biggest argument between those two.”

- When asking former staffers what Fisher was referencing when he said in Thursday’s rant, “Just go ask the people that work for him; you’ll know exactly what he’s about,” many say he was referring to the demanding lifestyle of working for Saban.

Assistants had to be there before Saban and were expected to be there until after he was gone. It was a constant grind of recruiting and coaching, and then they’d sit in the film room after practice as Saban listed all the things that could be corrected or improved upon. One assistant coach said his son played high school football in Baton Rouge and he saw him play a total of one and a half games.

“Everybody has a tremendous amount of respect for him, but that’s why most guys can’t work for him more than two years,” the coach said. “They all say that **** about, ‘He wants you to only work two years.’ Bull****. That’s about all you can take.”

The shock at the Wednesday-Thursday exchange between the two exists on both sides. Some were frustrated with Saban. “Glass houses,” one coach said. “Don’t throw rocks.” Another said: “C’mon guys. It’s like the mafia. Don’t go out there and talk about it. And he was wrong for making those broad-stroke accusations.”
Others were annoyed by Fisher’s emotional rebuttal. “It’s just Jimbo being Jimbo,” a former coach said. Another said: “It was all so predictable. He just couldn’t let it go and think like, ‘Ha ha, ***** him. I got his ***.’

The biggest question remains "Why did Saban feel compelled to make those comments?" Multiple sources told The Athletic they think Saban was making excuses for being beat in recruiting.

Seems like the overall feeling is “Some things are just better left unsaid.”
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I feel like in a week the media and SEC will bury all of this.

Which is bull****. I need more beans spilled
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:


Interesting back story on Nick and Jimbo's relationship... Apparently some who know them both felt this confrontation was likely long overdue...


Highlights:

-It often felt to some observers that there were two groups at SEC coaches meetings — the Nick Saban guys and the others.

“Everybody’s kissing Saban’s *** like a big fraternity,” said one former SEC coach. “In the breaks (between meetings), all the Saban people are laughing and joking like they were brothers.”

Many believed that Jimbo Fisher and Saban had that sort of dynamic, the master and apprentice who worked together to build LSU into a national champion in 2003, before Fisher went on to win a championship as head coach at Florida State 10 years later and become one of the highest-paid coaches in the game. From the outside, there appeared to be a healthy dynamic between two powerful college football elder statesmen.

-“There was (friction) all the time,” said one staffer who worked with both coaches at LSU. “Will (Muschamp) and Kirby (Smart) and all the defensive guys all bowed down to Nick, but Nick depended on Jimbo a lot. But Nick is so hard on his (offensive coordinators). They were always at each other’s throats.”

-“Oh, it ain’t like Nick and Kirby,” one former LSU position coach said. “There is no love lost between Nick and Jimbo — at all.”

-Saban is a man built on process and details. And some of those didn’t sit quite right with Fisher. “Jimbo complained about everything Nick wanted to do,” said one staffer.

“Jimbo would complain about things Nick would say or do and always talk about the Bowdens,” another staffer said. “Jimbo was big on the Bowdens, and he just couldn’t stand what Nick was trying to do.”

-The tension between the two stemmed from Fisher’s belief that Saban’s philosophy limited his offense. Saban is also a notoriously demanding boss.
Saban spent all day scripting the practice and then gave Fisher 10 minutes to script 80 plays. Fisher had to give the offensive script to Saban and then the defense got to run the entire series knowing the offense’s script. Whenever it would be offense versus defense, Fisher did everything in his power to win. He’d draw up trick plays or adjust outside of the purpose of the drill.

“Jimbo would try to pencil-whip Nick to win the drill,” a staffer said. “And Nick would say, ‘That’s not what it’s about. We’re trying to get better getting ready for an opponent. That’s not how they’re gonna do it in a game.’”

- Saban’s offensive philosophy in those days was about shrinking the game, reducing mistakes and allowing his defense to win it. And Saban likes to manage every little detail. They’d often agree on the amount of snaps for a certain formation or a certain amount of runs, and sometimes Fisher would stray from that. The problem was Saban could remember exactly what they were supposed to do.

“Jimbo wanted to run all these fancy plays,” a staffer said. “Jimbo is an ‘offensive guru.’ … He wanted to showcase his playbook, and that was the biggest argument between those two.”

- When asking former staffers what Fisher was referencing when he said in Thursday’s rant, “Just go ask the people that work for him; you’ll know exactly what he’s about,” many say he was referring to the demanding lifestyle of working for Saban.

Assistants had to be there before Saban and were expected to be there until after he was gone. It was a constant grind of recruiting and coaching, and then they’d sit in the film room after practice as Saban listed all the things that could be corrected or improved upon. One assistant coach said his son played high school football in Baton Rouge and he saw him play a total of one and a half games.

“Everybody has a tremendous amount of respect for him, but that’s why most guys can’t work for him more than two years,” the coach said. “They all say that **** about, ‘He wants you to only work two years.’ Bull****. That’s about all you can take.”

The shock at the Wednesday-Thursday exchange between the two exists on both sides. Some were frustrated with Saban. “Glass houses,” one coach said. “Don’t throw rocks.” Another said: “C’mon guys. It’s like the mafia. Don’t go out there and talk about it. And he was wrong for making those broad-stroke accusations.”
Others were annoyed by Fisher’s emotional rebuttal. “It’s just Jimbo being Jimbo,” a former coach said. Another said: “It was all so predictable. He just couldn’t let it go and think like, ‘Ha ha, ***** him. I got his ***.’

The biggest question remains "Why did Saban feel compelled to make those comments?" Multiple sources told The Athletic they think Saban was making excuses for being beat in recruiting.

Seems like the overall feeling is “Some things are just better left unsaid.”
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There are counterpoints to this thread but it's also an interesting starting point to a critical look at Sabag's legacy and how it could've only happened in a certain environment.

Pretty similar to some of the things I usually say when people get crazy and say he's the best coach EVER across all levels when he's not better than Jimmy or even Pete Carroll when you expand the debate to that level.

 
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cindysam said:
Saybot had to get on the radio and clarify his statements because what he said was untrue and hearsay. His comments backfired and he got a slap on the hand by the $EC illumin@ti to clarify.


It's absolutely beautiful that the NCAA can't do anything about this and it's eating the $EC slurpers alive
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The key point that you made is that the statements are UNTRUE. Factually untrue. I know a lot of people dislike hearsay, but that's more of an "in-court" legal issue. The fact that Saban made UNTRUE statements is most important.

Saban claimed that he had read (and anyone could read) these stories in the newspaper. Untrue. He claimed that JACKSON STATE paid Travis Hunter a million dollars. Untrue, and VERY disprovable, particularly since NIL is legal and Travis Hunter will soon be filing a tax return.

Nick Saban made verbal claims that were untrue related to Jackson State (paying Hunter), Miami (paying basketball players PLURAL the Nijel Pack NIL deal), and Texas A&M ("bought" every single recruit on the roster). Nick Saban made false defamatory claims that can be shown to cause harm (Exhibit A - "the cloud" of the adidas-Miami investigation that did not actually involve prosecution of Miami, and how it destroyed our recruiting for 2 years).

Saban has since "apologized" for "singling out" certain people, but he has not acknowledged that his claims were untrue. In short, he has not retracted his defamatory statements. His defamatory statements still stand, uncorrected.

Some sports journalist with stones needs to question Nick Saban DIRECTLY on this point, and make that jagoff ADMIT that his statements were factually false. Until then, the despicable lies that Saban told become "the debate", instead of STARTING from a point that acknowledges that his statements were lies.
 
djnellz said:
I feel like in a week the media and SEC will bury all of this.

Which is bull****. I need more beans spilled
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Saban is ****ed for a few reasons...

Someone he felt had allegiance to himself as The Almighty Saban is telling him to match offers for recruits.

And why many might label said someone as a "bagman", that person sees himself as more of a father figure for the kids, and has always done what was "best" for the kids and that Saban never had much competition - that's why it might seem he was a 'Bama (and LSU) bagman". More importantly, said someone realizes that the game has changed, a bagman will become obsolete, and must reorganize as more of a NIL agent, and now there are more players at the table.

To boot, this temper tantrum came right after word got out that LSU TAF members held a somewhat emergency fundraising event to address A&M's NIL budget advantage for a new group that required a minimum $25,000 commitment (over 5 years) and that it supposedly went really well. I would guess that Saban is ****ed that now Alabama is well behind not only A&M but possibly LSU.

But Saban didn't say that. Instead he just said a bunch of BS, targeting 3 programs. That really ****es people off. Not only is what he said complete BS, but also what he said about how they do things at Alabama was complete BS.

IMO this has a lot to do with Louisiana. Saban losing Louisiana would be devastating for him.
 
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Kirby has been pretty quiet about the NIL situations. there is a UGA collective called "Classic City Collective" and it is headed up by a former UGA compliance administrator.

Kirvby did speak briefly last week on Finebaum's show:

“I just want to make sure that the game stays at a point where we can control it,” said Smart, who worked for Saban for 10 years at Alabama and with the Miami Dophins. “I’m all for the players. We’ve had a lot of players getting opportunities with name, image, likeness. I would just like it where a decision isn’t based on where ‘I’m going to the highest bidder.’ If we could control that some kind of way, it would be much better.”

Control, at the moment, is nowhere to be found.
 
The crazy thing about all of this to me... Is everyone is acting like kids are not getting paid by boosters. Everyone knows this. Countless players come out and say teams offered them cash. I dont think thats debatable.

Booster payments make kids felons (tax evasion). NIL deals dont.

And here we have the number one coach in college complaining about one.

Saban prefers to make his players felons.
 
MISTER OWL said:
That’s Vince. And if there’s a college football hall of fame, he better be in it before Saban. He’s been (EDIT: was) Nick Saban’s bagman for over 20 years.
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What exactly does that guy do for Saban? I get that he is a bagman, I guess you mean he is the guy that literally hands the bags to the kids? Is he a HS coach in LA or something?
 
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