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Remember when Manny was too stubborn?

Ethnicsands said:
Maybe people should consider that part of the problem is manny?

The idea that if manny can't fix it, no one can, has got to be one of the most ridiculous things ive read on this site.

Folks have now elevated manny into Jimmy Howard Saban territory? Based on what?
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no one is doing that, but he’s doing everything so far he can to get it right from a coaching staff standpoint. Also what was jimmy prior to Miami? He’s a first time hc that is learning but he’s got one attribute that our last two coaches didn’t and that’s a lack of stubbornness when it comes to his hires. He may fail but he won’t go down without a fight
 
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hoops156 said:
He got a bama oc who people fawn over when discussing coaches bc saban hires the best. It didn’t work out. Manny corrected it. Baker wasn’t awful his first year but fell off this year. Let’s see if he makes the similar change
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Enos was the qb coach at bama, not oc. Rumph has also had to be replaced, and baker and Patke should too.
 
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hoops156 said:
You don’t if baker is here. Obviously they won’t announce it till they have the successor. He’ll, Mike rumph isn’t even officially fired
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Officially fired? So baker might be fired but rumph isnt? Ok Not sure what you need for it to be official. And the delay in firing baker showed me he’s probably staying, and it was just reported again that he is
 
NDE said:
Unlike Golden and Richt, every year he makes major changes. The last couple of years his hands were tied by the BOD and Blake James for financial reasons. They finally dropped the cash register and opened up the bank accounts to compete with the big boy football instead of flag football HS coaches.
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Money hasn’t been a problem for a while. Decision making has been.
 
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hoops156 said:
no one is doing that, but he’s doing everything so far he can to get it right from a coaching staff standpoint. Also what was jimmy prior to Miami? He’s a first time hc that is learning but he’s got one attribute that our last two coaches didn’t and that’s a lack of stubbornness when it comes to his hires. He may fail but he won’t go down without a fight
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1. This is false. He started with a staff that was amateur hour compared to serious programs. He is trying to fix it, but he didn't get it right at all and that's on him. It's scary to think he's so arrogant he thought the defensive staff he put together the past two years was a good idea.

2. What was Jimmy prior to Miami? That's the type of insane comment that you see around here. It's the same as saying since Dabo lost a game one time by a lot, that means Manny is like Dabo. No offense, but that's a ridiculous comment. Jimmy Johnson was JIMMY JOHNSON. He's in the Hall of Fame. Name dropping him does nothing for this discussion. Manny's trajectory is a lot closer to people who fail than Jimmy Johnson, so not sure why you'd go there.

3. We'll see on stubbornness. People keep saying he doesn't have it. Yet he kept his cronies his first two years. And so far Banda quit and he fired someone who wasn't 'his guy.' When Patke and Baker are sent away, you can say no stubbornness.
 
Ethnicsands said:
if only he could learn to anticipate, he wouldn’t always be reactively fixing problems everyone has seen before he does.
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I hear ya man but they're letting him learn on the job instead of learning these lessons at Temple. It is at least promising for us that he has shown the ability to assess problems and immediately address them in the off-season.
 
TimeB0mb said:
You are asking if I think Manny hasn't failed to anticipate well? I can't really make heads or tails of that question.
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I made the comment that it would be better if he'd learn to anticipate.

You responded by mocking the idea that he hasn't anticipated well. Your contention was that it's impossible to anticipate coaching failures, so there's nothing to talk about regarding Manny's inability to anticipate effectively.

Since you wrote that, I asked you to explain where you think Manny has anticipated well.

You're now acting confused.

It's not a hard question to make sense of. You invited the question.
 
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Canesfan1899 said:
I hear ya man but they're letting him learn on the job instead of learning these lessons at Temple. It is at least promising for us that he has shown the ability to assess problems and immediately address them in the off-season.
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He's an exciting off-season joy ride, for sure.

Whether he's capable of leading this program, we'll see.

Changes are positive in the sense that lack of changes doesn't help. But if the issue is the leader is wrong, then changes may just defer the inevitable.

My hope is he puts together a better staff and they recruit well, so if he doesn't learn how to lead, the talent-base is higher for the next HC.
 
DTP said:
He was a GA at Texas but he was hired before Manny got there. After that, it was one season at LTU. It’s not uncommon for coaches to hire guys they’re already familiar with. ****, it’s common in every single business field. But it’s nothing like Golden and D’Onofrio. They played college football together and coached with each other at every stop along the way......
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People comparing the relationship between Manny and Baker to Golden/Dorito are completely clueless and truly ignorant as your post clearly shows.

One thing is definitely not like the other. Given give people enough time and a forum, and they’ll show their abject ignorance
 
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DTP said:
He was a GA at Texas but he was hired before Manny got there. After that, it was one season at LTU. It’s not uncommon for coaches to hire guys they’re already familiar with. ****, it’s common in every single business field. But it’s nothing like Golden and D’Onofrio. They played college football together and coached with each other at every stop along the way.
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They didn’t coach with each other every stop of the way. d NO started coaching under golden in 2004, then they went to temple, then Miami. Baker was under Diaz at Texas, Lt and now Miami. It is very similar...D no and golden were closer friends Imo, but Diaz is bringing along baker just like golden did to d no. Only reason baker didn’t come to Miami right away is he got the dc job at LT. The second Diaz had a way to hire him into a promotion, he did.
 
Ethnicsands said:
1. This is false. He started with a staff that was amateur hour compared to serious programs. He is trying to fix it, but he didn't get it right at all and that's on him. It's scary to think he's so arrogant he thought the defensive staff he put together the past two years was a good idea.

2. What was Jimmy prior to Miami? That's the type of insane comment that you see around here. It's the same as saying since Dabo lost a game one time by a lot, that means Manny is like Dabo. No offense, but that's a ridiculous comment. Jimmy Johnson was JIMMY JOHNSON. He's in the Hall of Fame. Name dropping him does nothing for this discussion. Manny's trajectory is a lot closer to people who fail than Jimmy Johnson, so not sure why you'd go there.

3. We'll see on stubbornness. People keep saying he doesn't have it. Yet he kept his cronies his first two years. And so far Banda quit and he fired someone who wasn't 'his guy.' When Patke and Baker are sent away, you can say no stubbornness.
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again -- what about the 2019 defense was fireable (realistically bc the numbers and performance were fine and we were so anemic on O). this past year the D was absolutely fireable and it looks like the changes are being made.
 
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