Pretty good article about Charlie Strong

[DiegoCane]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Why didn't Strong's eye for talent continue in the 2012 and 2013 class? Their Sr and Jr class right now does not have that type of talent. Those classes should have been good considering they were already winning. Offensively those 2 classes were pretty awful.

 

[DMoney]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Tell me why his great eye for talent suddenly developed glaucoma when the NCAA ran Hurtt off. Why can't he convince those great 3 star South Florida players to go to Texas if he could get them to a much worse place, Louisville? It makes no sense. Maybe you can clue me in.

The eye for talent hasn't gone anywhere. He offered Redwine way before our braintrust got wise. Strong has run into a ton of political problems with Texas high school coaches and can't always choose three-star Dade kids over prominent local players. That is the one of the reasons the fit would be different here.

 

[LustNCanes]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Tell me why his great eye for talent suddenly developed glaucoma when the NCAA ran Hurtt off. Why can't he convince those great 3 star South Florida players to go to Texas if he could get them to a much worse place, Louisville? It makes no sense. Maybe you can clue me in.

You Sir.... make too much SENSE!!! Please carry on...

 

[MIATL]

That article reads like a piece we would have written about Al Golden, and openings at Rutgers or Syracuse or Maryland, etc.

And, again, I will ask ...

If we are taking a middle of the road coach from the Big 12, why wouldn't it be Holgorsen?

He recruits Florida, too. Actually has South Florida high school coaches on his staff ...

 

[duke4heisman]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Tell me why his great eye for talent suddenly developed glaucoma when the NCAA ran Hurtt off. Why can't he convince those great 3 star South Florida players to go to Texas if he could get them to a much worse place, Louisville? It makes no sense. Maybe you can clue me in.

The eye for talent hasn't gone anywhere. He offered Redwine way before our braintrust got wise. Strong has run into a ton of political problems with Texas high school coaches and can't always choose three-star Dade kids over prominent local players. That is the one of the reasons the fit would be different here.

LOL. So the head corch doesn't have the balls to sign the players he wants. DO. NOT. WANT.

 

[L A M P]

Strong has run into a ton of political problems with Texas high school coaches & can't always choose three-star Dade kids over prominent local players.

The only reason he ever won anywhere is bc of Teddy Bridgewater.

 

[FullyERicht]

No the fit would be worse here. B/C every grubby HS corch down here would expect the handouts they got from Hurtt, in addition to expecting spots on the staff. And when they don't get what they want, they'll turn on him like they did Randy and Al. Because the way out of this mess isn't recruiting. It's coaching. You put an explosive offense on the field and win quickly and kids will want to come here.

 

[Rellyrell]

Better question, why in the **** is there a 9 page thread on a corch at another school?!

 

[gfer1988]

Strong has run into a ton of political problems with Texas high school coaches & can't always choose three-star Dade kids over prominent local players.

The only reason he ever won anywhere is bc of Teddy Bridgewater.

i wouldn't discredit the defenses louisville fielded

 

[The Franchise]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Tell me why his great eye for talent suddenly developed glaucoma when the NCAA ran Hurtt off. Why can't he convince those great 3 star South Florida players to go to Texas if he could get them to a much worse place, Louisville? It makes no sense. Maybe you can clue me in.

The eye for talent hasn't gone anywhere. He offered Redwine way before our braintrust got wise. Strong has run into a ton of political problems with Texas high school coaches and can't always choose three-star Dade kids over prominent local players. That is the one of the reasons the fit would be different here.

So it's political problems? UT hired him because of what he did at Louisville then they forbid him from building a great roster?

 

[dedostheibis]

Lmao @ clowns on here talking about recruting classes. He just got mollywopped by iowa state. A school qitha bunch of 2 stars and kids with no offers. He cant coach period. And his recruiting class is *** hes 7th in the state of texas right now lmao

People say talent but all texas recruiting classes in the last 4 years are much better than tcu, baylor, oklahomas state, kansas state, texas tech but most these teams arent just beating texas they are blowing them out lol

Hes a ****** coach just stop he might not even make a bowl game

 

[CanesNation26]

From josh newberg
Interesting news

My latest Coaching Board (v3.0)

beating OU but losing to Iowa State and WVU cancel each other out.
I'm told both sides want out of this deal.
- UT can't fire him right now, they owe him too much money.
- Charlie can't leave UT, he's owed too much money.
- I'm told cord has been cut behind the scenes and it's just a matter of time/money.
Here's the scenario where he leaves:
- UT admin and Strong sit down and come up with a buyout. Something that doesn't leave UT on the hook for all the money. Strong wants out (I'm told), but he's not an idiot and isn't going to leave all that money on the table.
- The two sides sit down and come up with a number that works for both sides.
- Charlie then gets UT money and signs a 3-4 year deal with South Carolina or Miami. He gets his money and has more job security.

Considering there's no buyout in Strong's contract I don't see how any of this means anything.

I think it's something to the fact that If strong takes another job then he would have to pay off his assistant salaries I believe.

There actually is a 'buyout,' just depends on what situation you're looking at. If Strong leaves for another job, there is no buyout (or something to do with Strong having to pay half of all of his assistant's salaries?). However, if Texas fires Strong, Strong gets 100 percent of the remaining money on his contract--> so Texas would owe him 15 million. So what Broke posted makes sense.

 

[01Canes]

UT recruiting rankings (247 Sports)

Mack Brown
2011 - 4th
2012 - 2nd
2013 - 17th

Charlie Strong
2014 - 16th (Strong was hired Jan 4th)
2015 - 9th

UT record

Mack Brown
2011 - 8-5 (won Holiday Bowl)
2012 - 9-4 (won Alamo Bowl)
2013 - 8-5 (lost Alamo Bowl)

Charlie Strong
2014 - 6-7 (lost Texas Bowl)
2015 - 4-6 (still have to play Texas Tech and Baylor)

Even after kicking so many players off the team when he first arrived, Strong has more than enough talent to do far better than 4-6 with a likely 4-8 finish in his second season with a total offense and defense ranked in the 90s. Recruiting rankings don't tell the whole story, but they shouldn't be completely discounted either. Texas is underachieving badly with Strong at the helm.

Also, what on earth is Charlie Strong's offensive identity? Louisville ran a pro-style West Coast offense with Bridgewater. Strong took his OC Shawn Watson with him to Texas, but realized that was foolish and wisely wanted to adapt to his recruiting base with an up-tempo spread. But he retained Watson, who never taught that type of offense. That predictably backfired and their offense continues to be dreadful.

 

[DMoney]

We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing.

But do we actually know that? We know the Texas situation isn't working out. That's it.

Is Chris Peterson not a "big-time" coach because Washington is struggling? The guy finished in the Top 10 four times with freaking Boise State. He won two BCS bowls. Fit and circumstances matter, especially early on.

Do I know for sure Strong would succeed here? Nope. But I think his defense fits what we desperately need and I know he can recruit and (more importantly) evaluate South Florida talent.

I have concerns about how he would handle the offense. However, he would inherit a QB that's a lot closer to Teddy Bridgewater than Tyrone Swoopes. And he wouldn't have to deal with the political nonsense he dealt with from boosters and others.

There are legitimate questions about Strong. But it's too simplistic to say "he has proven he can't succeed at any big time program."

 

[DiegoCane]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Why didn't Strong's eye for talent continue in the 2012 and 2013 class? Their Sr and Jr class right now does not have that type of talent. Those classes should have been good considering they were already winning. Offensively those 2 classes were pretty awful.

Can a Strong supporter please answer this question.

 

[dedostheibis]

We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing.

But do we actually know that? We know the Texas situation isn't working out. That's it.

Is Chris Peterson not a "big-time" coach because Washington is struggling? The guy finished in the Top 10 four times with freaking Boise State. He won two BCS bowls. Fit and circumstances matter, especially early on.

Do I know for sure Strong would succeed here? Nope. But I think his defense fits what we desperately need and I know he can recruit and (more importantly) evaluate South Florida talent.

I have concerns about how he would handle the offense. However, he would inherit a QB that's a lot closer to Teddy Bridgewater than Tyrone Swoopes. And he wouldn't have to deal with the political nonsense he dealt with from boosters and others.

There are legitimate questions about Strong. But it's too simplistic to say "he has proven he can't succeed at any big time program."

D money explain why corch strong got mollywopped by a team filled with 2 stars with no offfers in owa state. Was it politics???? Lmaooo

 

[DMoney]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Why didn't Strong's eye for talent continue in the 2012 and 2013 class? Their Sr and Jr class right now does not have that type of talent. Those classes should have been good considering they were already winning. Offensively those 2 classes were pretty awful.

Can a Strong supporter please answer this question.

They have good players like Quick and Radcliff. Haven't studied them in-depth, but when you lose 14 players to the NFL in two years there is usually a transition period.

 

[FullyERicht]

Has there ever been a coach, in history, whose entire tenure record was under .500 at a power 5 school, to then go to another Power-5 school and won a National Title?

What we desperately need is a great coaching staff. Not a DC who can, with the help of a banned coach, maybe recruit. Miami deserves a coach better than a guy who has fallen flat on his *** at his first big time gig. I can't understand why you have such an intense need to defend this guy. It's mind boggling.

 

[dedostheibis]

Has there ever been a coach, in history, whose entire tenure record was under .500 at a power 5 school, to then go to another Power-5 school and won a National Title?

What we desperately need is a great coaching staff. Not a DC who can, with the help of a banned coach, maybe recruit. Miami deserves a coach better than a guy who has fallen flat on his *** at his first big time gig. I can't understand why you have such an intense need to defend this guy. It's mind boggling.

Theres an other motive to defend this guy i can quite put my finger on it tho

 

[MIATL]

We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing.

But do we actually know that? We know the Texas situation isn't working out. That's it.

Is Chris Peterson not a "big-time" coach because Washington is struggling? The guy finished in the Top 10 four times with freaking Boise State. He won two BCS bowls. Fit and circumstances matter, especially early on.

Do I know for sure Strong would succeed here? Nope. But I think his defense fits what we desperately need and I know he can recruit and (more importantly) evaluate South Florida talent.

I have concerns about how he would handle the offense. However, he would inherit a QB that's a lot closer to Teddy Bridgewater than Tyrone Swoopes. And he wouldn't have to deal with the political nonsense he dealt with from boosters and others.

There are legitimate questions about Strong. But it's too simplistic to say "he has proven he can't succeed at any big time program."

I don't think that's a fair comparison ...

Had he gone to USC, maybe it's fair. But I'm not sure Washington has lost to a a team it was favored to beat?

I don't follow them, but in looking at their record over the past 2 seasons, I didn't see any "bad" losses.

And, respectfully, the Charlie Strong defenders sound a lot like the Al Golden defenders used to sound ...

The vast majority of us are not knocking Strong for losing to ND or TCU ... We're knocking him for getting blown off the field in those games (combined score = 88-10). We're knocking him for getting shutout by Iowa State, and losing by 18 to WVU.

In year 2, those are pretty bad losses, IMO ...