Pretty good article about Charlie Strong

[01Canes]

After two years of everyone in the local and national media rattling off countless excuses to tell us how wrong we were about Al Golden, our admin is going to prioritize a coach people can't make a case for without rattling off a bunch of excuses for his disastrous two-year stretch at UT?

Not to mention that hiring a conservative defensive coach who doesn't have the slightest clue what he's doing offensively for the third straight f***ing time continues to squander our greatest built-in advantage (abundance of skill talent in our backyard).

Texas will be thanking the s*** out of us when we take Strong off their hands and allow them to throw a blank check at Herman. We'll be saving them and staying behind the times with more conservative bulls***. Enough is enough.

 

[drifters1234]

It isn't for the heel diggers.

Every single person discrediting what Strong did at Louisville is using the same base (less proof actually) to advocate for Herman. If people are opposed to Strong then so be it.. but don't bring up Herman's name in the same breath.

You're confusing the whole point.

When you're hiring from the lower ranks; your hope is that the candidate can replicate that success at a higher level. It is about speculating since you don't have the results.

Here, Charlie Strong had success at the lower ranks. At the higher level TODAY, he is failing. There is no reason to speculate anymore because we have the actual results. Charlie Strong is 55 years old and is unable to have success at UT. He can't even replicate his fired predecessor.

Now with Herman, we have a guy who is having success at the lower ranks. The question is, whether he will replicate that success at a higher level. Judging from the evidence, you have a guy who instantly improved that program in year 1. You have a young guy (40), who has had a ton of success so far.

Considering coaches aren't born at P5 schools and can come up from the lower ranks, why can't you use it as a model?

Meyer, Harbaugh, Briles, Dantonio and Saban all were HC at sub p5 schools. All had success, all moved up. Why is this a bad thing? Why can't this be used?

If we're not going after an elite name, what else should we do? Hire a failure?

This. I'm just baffled that people can't see what is directly in front of them.

How on earth can anyone say that Strong and Herman are in the same position when Strong has been at UT for two years, and failed miserably. Are people really this devoid of rational thought?!

Saban was horrible at his first power 5 job Michigan State. He was better at LSU and he's killing it at Bama!

Your post is completely irrelevant to mine. I was addressing your fellow Mensa candidate's completely illogical assertion that Strong and Herman are at analogous stages of their head coaching careers.

Strong's two-year failing stint at big-time school -- UT -- unequivocally shows that they are not at similar stages of their careers. Strong got his shot at a big school and is failing. Herman has not had the opportunity.

 

[252cane]

Strong is only in his second season and has 1 recruiting class and people are already saying he failed. The best players on the team are frosh. Among draft eligible players, texas doesn't have one player projected to be drafted.

By definition, a two-year losing record at University of Texas constitutes failure.

Look at the recruiting rankings for the last 5 years. There is absolutely no excuse for Strong to oversee two consecutive losing seasons with the talent on that team.

What talent? No one on the team is projected to get drafted.

 

[FullyERicht]

Strong is only in his second season and has 1 recruiting class and people are already saying he failed. The best players on the team are frosh. Among draft eligible players, texas doesn't have one player projected to be drafted.

By definition, a two-year losing record at University of Texas constitutes failure.

Look at the recruiting rankings for the last 5 years. There is absolutely no excuse for Strong to oversee two consecutive losing seasons with the talent on that team.

What talent? No one on the team is projected to get drafted.

Allen Hurns didn't get drafted. Is it bc he wasn't talented? No it's bc he had corches who couldnt maximize his skills. See how this game works? When in history has a coach been under .500 at a power-5 school, been fired from that school, and then won a national championship at a different school?

 

[drifters1234]

And the Saban comparison is ridiculous. When Saban took over in 1995 MSU had not had a winning season since 1990; plus, they received NCAA sanctions from Perles's tenure.

Regardless, when Saban was hired MSU had been a long-running mediocre program. That mediocrity continued for Saban's first few years until 1999 when he beat Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and UF in the Citrus Bowl. They ended up 10-2. LSU hired him, and he built that program until they won a national title.

Are you suggesting that every coach that has a mediocre -- or in Strong's case horrendous -- first two years is a Nick Saban-level coach?

 

[dedostheibis]

Strong is a joke anybody advocating for him to be our head coach is not a fan of the university of miami

 

[FullyERicht]

Strong is a joke anybody advocating for him to be our head coach is not a fan of the university of miami

Seems like there are some other motives involved. Strong, like Cristobal, seems to be a guy who made promises to some high school corches about jobs.

 

[drifters1234]

Strong is only in his second season and has 1 recruiting class and people are already saying he failed. The best players on the team are frosh. Among draft eligible players, texas doesn't have one player projected to be drafted.

By definition, a two-year losing record at University of Texas constitutes failure.

Look at the recruiting rankings for the last 5 years. There is absolutely no excuse for Strong to oversee two consecutive losing seasons with the talent on that team.

What talent? No one on the team is projected to get drafted.

Wow. As I said, look at UT's recruiting rankings for the last 5 years. They have always had top 25, if not top 10, classes. How do you reconcile that talent with his losing record? They certainly have more talent than their offensive and rankings in the 100s.

Your arguments mirror the Al Golden defense brigade.

 

[NVA CANE]

After two years of everyone in the local and national media rattling off countless excuses to tell us how wrong we were about Al Golden, our admin is going to prioritize a coach people can't make a case for without rattling off a bunch of excuses for his disastrous two-year stretch at UT?

Not to mention that hiring a conservative defensive coach who doesn't have the slightest clue what he's doing offensively for the third straight f***ing time continues to squander our greatest built-in advantage (abundance of skill talent in our backyard).

Texas will be thanking the s*** out of us when we take Strong off their hands and allow them to throw a blank check at Herman. We'll be saving them and staying behind the times with more conservative bulls***. Enough is enough.

Preach.

 

[CANEGANG954]

And the Saban comparison is ridiculous. When Saban took over in 1995 MSU had not had a winning season since 1990; plus, they received NCAA sanctions from Perles's tenure.

Regardless when Saban was hired MSU had been a long-running mediocre program. That mediocrity continued for Saban's first few years until 1999 when he beat Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and UF in the Citrus Bowl. They ended up 10-2. LSU hired him, and he built that program until they won a national title.

Are you suggesting that every coach that has a mediocre -- or in Strong's case horrendous -- first two years is a Nick Saban-level coach?

Absolutely not. Simply suggesting that just because a coach has a bad stint with a bad team that doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad coach, and what do you mean Saban took over a team with a losing tradition and sanctions. If you're a good coach you can win anywhere right? He never even won a bowl game at MSU.

 

[01Canes]

And imagine how much worse this will seem in a few weeks after UT (likely) gives up somewhere in the ballpark of 100 points in the last two games of their season against Texas Tech and Baylor. The power brokers at Texas will be panicking and hoping to get Strong the f*** out of there while the incompetent morons in charge at UM will desperately want to "lure" him away. What a joke.

The first thing out of anyone's mouth when talking about the hire would be the words "bad fit at UT." No. They also said Golden was a bad fit at UM even after getting fired in Year 5.

 

[NVA CANE]

Get me an aggressive offensive play caller. I want out of the pro style out of conservative football. I would actually like to be excited and enjoy watching a game rather than dozing off cause we are lining up in the power I from our own 20 yard line. What I saw from Memphis and Houston was exciting football. I haven't seen us play like that in years. TCUs offense, Baylors offense, Oregons offense, etc. Get an exciting coach that actually makes the games fun to watch.

No to Strong

 

[The Franchise]

I keep hearing from nerds about how Chaz Wrong is a bad fit at UT. Tell us what makes him such a good fit at UM.

Because he's black and that automatically means he fits as UM HC? Coach Shannon showed us that doesn't matter.

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

If Chaz has all these great ties to South Florida why couldn't he use them to help him at Texas? If he could convince South Florida players to go to Louisville why can't he get them to go to a better place like Texas?

 

[FullyERicht]

I keep hearing from nerds about how Chaz Wrong is a bad fit at UT. Tell us what makes him such a good fit at UM.

Because he's black and that automatically means he fits as UM HC? Coach Shannon showed us that doesn't matter.

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

If Chaz has all these great ties to South Florida why couldn't he use them to help him at Texas? If he could convince South Florida players to go to Louisville why can't he get them to go to a better place like Texas?

Chise this line of thinking requires deductive logic. We may be asking a bit too much......

 

[wacane]

I keep hearing from nerds about how Chaz Wrong is a bad fit at UT. Tell us what makes him such a good fit at UM.

Because he's black and that automatically means he fits as UM HC? Coach Shannon showed us that doesn't matter.

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

If Chaz has all these great ties to South Florida why couldn't he use them to help him at Texas? If he could convince South Florida players to go to Louisville why can't he get them to go to a better place like Texas?

You're never going to get through to the potatoes

 

[ScubaCane]

Why do we want guys who are failing miserably at their current job?

 

[DMoney]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 14 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Most were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

 

[FullyERicht]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Here's a dirty little secret that nobody likes to talk about: you don't get awarded championships for the number of players you put into the NFL. Otherwise, Al Golden would have a ring from last year.

And of those 11, how many were from South Florida and recruited by Hurtt?

 

[The Franchise]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Tell me why his great eye for talent suddenly developed glaucoma when the NCAA ran Hurtt off. Why can't he convince those great 3 star South Florida players to go to Texas if he could get them to a much worse place, Louisville? It makes no sense. Maybe you can clue me in.

 

[FullyERicht]

Because **** Hurtts brokered a bunch of players to Louisville that UM fell asleep on? **** Hurtts will NEVER work at UM again. So he's not gonna help.

Strong stacked Louisville because of his eye for talent. Louisville sent 11 guys to the NFL over the past two years. Of those 11, eight were three stars or less. That includes three first rounders (Parker, Pryor and Smith). This wasn't an Ole Miss situation where Louisville suddenly started pulling five stars.

There are legitimate reasons to doubt Strong. The argument that he "needed Hurtt's money bag" is not one of them.

Tell me why his great eye for talent suddenly developed glaucoma when the NCAA ran Hurtt off. Why can't he convince those great 3 star South Florida players to go to Texas if he could get them to a much worse place, Louisville? It makes no sense. Maybe you can clue me in.

I think it has something to do with his suit size......at least that's what I keep hearing, "bad fit".