Pretty good article about Charlie Strong

[CANEGANG954]

Just a few of the reactions from FSU fans on their 247sports board.

Strong at UM will realllllly hurt our Miami recruiting.

Jimbo better ask for more money for better recruiters/coaches.

UF has a good recruiters and Strong will bring great recruiters with him.

This is not good for the Noles recruiting.

Strong go to South Carolina. You'll get a huge payout from Texas and south Carolina will pay you more than Miami.

PLEASE DON'T GO TO MIAMI.


-Hoping it's Crystal Ball at Miami and not Strong.

-At Illinois I think Babers and Cubit are the top two with Fleck a distant 3rd.

-LOL at Hawai'i. For some reason I thought June Jones was their current coach.

-BOB would be a homerun for Maryland. Guy had success in the dumpster fire of PSU post-sanction post-Sandusky era. But how much would that suck for BOB as his career arc? Work miracles at PSU, bolt for the NFL, flame out, go back to a far worse job in CFB than the one you left.

-Herman, Strong and Fuente are the big dominoes. What they do will affect everyone else. The seismic shift could come if UT opens up from Strong leaving. One could argue that's the best job in CFB and will draw a lot of interesting names.

 

[Consigliere]

The lunacy of denial.

Charlie gets no credit for his Louisville days because he had all those Florida kids and he played a weak conference.

Charlie gets no credit for a couple good seasons at Louisville for the same reason Al Folden no longer gets credit for his work at Temple. Both guys got their shot at the big time and both flopped badly.

What's so hard to understand about that? Why do you super smart guys always try to complicate simple stuff?

Why are you looking to go way back in time to a Group of 5 program to use as a model when you have a much better (Power 5 marquee program) and much more recent model to use? I'd rather use Texas, which is a P5 program like UM, and is happening RIGHT NOW than Louisville, which was a big fish in a tiny Big East pond, as my example of what Charlie Wrong would do at another marquee P5 program.

Heel Digging 101: Avoid the pertinent, stick to your point.

 

[Consigliere]

Anyone lobbying for Strong at this point has other reasons or is in prison and lacks access to television or Internet.

He's at one of the best jobs in college football and he's being humiliated. He sucks on both sides of the ball. He's dropping games he shouldn't. He can't recruit.

Hes getting every single excuse Golden received despite overwhelming tangible evidence that he just flat out couldnt handle it when he got a shot at the big time.

- People claiming bad fit
- Blaming local recruits
- Blaming the emergence of other programs
- Saying the roster sucks (he inherited a roster with 3 top 5 classes on it)
- Saying the program was a mess ( won 9 and 8 games the two years before he arrived )


The bottom line is Strong got called up and failed. He's whiffing on curve balls. He can't handle any fastball with movement on it. He's overmatched up there. It's embarrassing. Put him up against teams that aren't trash cans in pads and he's struggling.

So no, I don't want a guy who looks awful when the talent gap closes. Hes mad himself unhirable at this point for any self respecting Power 5 program.

His performance at Texas is a better indicator of how he'd fare at Miami than the two years he knocked around soup cans at a mid-major.

Seems simple to understand.

It isn't for the heel diggers.

 

[L A M P]

Anyone lobbying for Strong at this point has other reasons or is in prison and lacks access to television or Internet.

He's at one of the best jobs in college football and he's being humiliated. He sucks on both sides of the ball. He's dropping games he shouldn't. He can't recruit.

Hes getting every single excuse Golden received despite overwhelming tangible evidence that he just flat out couldnt handle it when he got a shot at the big time.

- People claiming bad fit
- Blaming local recruits
- Blaming the emergence of other programs
- Saying the roster sucks (he inherited a roster with 3 top 5 classes on it)
- Saying the program was a mess ( won 9 and 8 games the two years before he arrived )


The bottom line is Strong got called up and failed. He's whiffing on curve balls. He can't handle any fastball with movement on it. He's overmatched up there. It's embarrassing. Put him up against teams that aren't trash cans in pads and he's struggling.

So no, I don't want a guy who looks awful when the talent gap closes. Hes mad himself unhirable at this point for any self respecting Power 5 program.

His performance at Texas is a better indicator of how he'd fare at Miami than the two years he knocked around soup cans at a mid-major.

Seems simple to understand.

It isn't for the heel diggers.

Every single person discrediting what Strong did at Louisville is using the same base (less proof actually) to advocate for Herman. If people are opposed to Strong then so be it.. but don't bring up Herman's name in the same breath.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Those of us advocating a Herman hire while dismissing Strong have already explained our logic.

Both tuned up teams in a bad conference. If you do that well enough, it can earn you a job at a big-time program. Strong has already received his opportunity and failed. Herman has not. We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing. Herman deserves his shot somewhere now, and it could be at Miami.

Sticking with the baseball analogy from earlier, Strong was a great minor league player the Yankees called up only for him to hit .200 for a few seasons and show zero promise. Herman is tearing up A ball awaiting his call-up.

 

[Consigliere]

Anyone lobbying for Strong at this point has other reasons or is in prison and lacks access to television or Internet.

He's at one of the best jobs in college football and he's being humiliated. He sucks on both sides of the ball. He's dropping games he shouldn't. He can't recruit.

Hes getting every single excuse Golden received despite overwhelming tangible evidence that he just flat out couldnt handle it when he got a shot at the big time.

- People claiming bad fit
- Blaming local recruits
- Blaming the emergence of other programs
- Saying the roster sucks (he inherited a roster with 3 top 5 classes on it)
- Saying the program was a mess ( won 9 and 8 games the two years before he arrived )


The bottom line is Strong got called up and failed. He's whiffing on curve balls. He can't handle any fastball with movement on it. He's overmatched up there. It's embarrassing. Put him up against teams that aren't trash cans in pads and he's struggling.

So no, I don't want a guy who looks awful when the talent gap closes. Hes mad himself unhirable at this point for any self respecting Power 5 program.

His performance at Texas is a better indicator of how he'd fare at Miami than the two years he knocked around soup cans at a mid-major.

Seems simple to understand.

It isn't for the heel diggers.

Every single person discrediting what Strong did at Louisville is using the same base (less proof actually) to advocate for Herman. If people are opposed to Strong then so be it.. but don't bring up Herman's name in the same breath.

You're confusing the whole point.

When you're hiring from the lower ranks; your hope is that the candidate can replicate that success at a higher level. It is about speculating since you don't have the results.

Here, Charlie Strong had success at the lower ranks. At the higher level TODAY, he is failing. There is no reason to speculate anymore because we have the actual results. Charlie Strong is 55 years old and is unable to have success at UT. He can't even replicate his fired predecessor.

Now with Herman, we have a guy who is having success at the lower ranks. The question is, whether he will replicate that success at a higher level. Judging from the evidence, you have a guy who instantly improved that program in year 1. You have a young guy (40), who has had a ton of success so far.

Considering coaches aren't born at P5 schools and can come up from the lower ranks, why can't you use it as a model?

Meyer, Harbaugh, Briles, Dantonio and Saban all were HC at sub p5 schools. All had success, all moved up. Why is this a bad thing? Why can't this be used?

If we're not going after an elite name, what else should we do? Hire a failure?

 

[Consigliere]

Those of us advocating a Herman hire while dismissing Strong have already explained our logic.

Both tuned up teams in a bad conference. If you do that well enough, it can earn you a job at a big-time program. Strong has already received his opportunity and failed. Herman has not. We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing. Herman deserves his shot somewhere now, and it could be at Miami.

Sticking with the baseball analogy from earlier, Strong was a great minor league player the Yankees called up only for him to hit .200 for a few seasons and show zero promise. Herman is tearing up A ball awaiting his call-up.

These players are not all born HC at the P5 level. They tend to rise through the ranks. Now pick the best one assuming you don't want to go for a big dog (i.e. Patterson or Kelly).

 

[The Franchise]

Anyone lobbying for Strong at this point has other reasons or is in prison and lacks access to television or Internet.

He's at one of the best jobs in college football and he's being humiliated. He sucks on both sides of the ball. He's dropping games he shouldn't. He can't recruit.

Hes getting every single excuse Golden received despite overwhelming tangible evidence that he just flat out couldnt handle it when he got a shot at the big time.

- People claiming bad fit
- Blaming local recruits
- Blaming the emergence of other programs
- Saying the roster sucks (he inherited a roster with 3 top 5 classes on it)
- Saying the program was a mess ( won 9 and 8 games the two years before he arrived )


The bottom line is Strong got called up and failed. He's whiffing on curve balls. He can't handle any fastball with movement on it. He's overmatched up there. It's embarrassing. Put him up against teams that aren't trash cans in pads and he's struggling.

So no, I don't want a guy who looks awful when the talent gap closes. Hes mad himself unhirable at this point for any self respecting Power 5 program.

His performance at Texas is a better indicator of how he'd fare at Miami than the two years he knocked around soup cans at a mid-major.

Exactly the way I see it.

For those imbeciles still too dopey to see that Charlie Wrong has flopped, just think about it in these terms: Folden did a better job at UM when he got called up to the majors than Wrong is doing at Texas. Let that sink in to your admittedly vacant heads.

Bang that big warped low-eared dome of yours against the wall a few times like you're trying to get an old radio to work. And if you can get any rational thought flowing for a couple seconds read this sentence quickly: Folden did better here than Wrong is doing at Texas.

On top of that, Folden inherited a big NCAA mess that he had to deal with, but he still managed to do better than Wrong. Wrong created his own mess by kicking everyone off the team instead of getting them to buy in. He wanted to be the big sheriff and now all his apologists are crying about him having no depth or talent. He's also been an abortion off the field in every way possible from dealing with boosters to bumbling away with his coaching staff.

 

[The Franchise]

Those of us advocating a Herman hire while dismissing Strong have already explained our logic.

Both tuned up teams in a bad conference. If you do that well enough, it can earn you a job at a big-time program. Strong has already received his opportunity and failed. Herman has not. We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing. Herman deserves his shot somewhere now, and it could be at Miami.

Sticking with the baseball analogy from earlier, Strong was a great minor league player the Yankees called up only for him to hit .200 for a few seasons and show zero promise. Herman is tearing up A ball awaiting his call-up.

Pretty easy concept. No wonder guys can't get it.

 

[DiegoCane]

Those of us advocating a Herman hire while dismissing Strong have already explained our logic.

Both tuned up teams in a bad conference. If you do that well enough, it can earn you a job at a big-time program. Strong has already received his opportunity and failed. Herman has not. We now KNOW Strong can't hack it on the big stage, so we are passing. Herman deserves his shot somewhere now, and it could be at Miami.

Sticking with the baseball analogy from earlier, Strong was a great minor league player the Yankees called up only for him to hit .200 for a few seasons and show zero promise. Herman is tearing up A ball awaiting his call-up.

Not only that but look at their style of play.

We have been screaming for an aggressive HC for a long time now. Strong is as conservative, or more, then Clappy, Shannon and Golden. Herman is a complete 180 from those guys. I'm convinced most people haven't watch a Strong coach football team.

 

[DiegoCane]

For all the Strong guys:

Name me 1 coach who flamed out at a power 5 conference job and then won a NC at another?

 

[Consigliere]

For all the Strong guys:

Name me 1 coach who flamed out at a power 5 conference job and then won a NC at another?

There is 1 but he flamed out again (Cheesedick).

 

[DiegoCane]

For all the Strong guys:

Name me 1 coach who flamed out at a power 5 conference job and then won a NC at another?

There is 1 but he flamed out again (Cheesedick).

Didn't know if I should count him because 1. he wasn't fired and Auburn hired him away 2. it was Iowa St.

Gene Stallings was also fired from a job prior to winning at Bama.

Those are the only 2 cases going back over 30 years.

 

[L A M P]

If we're not going after an elite name, what else should we do? Hire a failure?

Define failure. Would Butch be considered a failure? Mark Richt? I'm not anti-Herman.. I just think it's extremely risky in a time where we have no room for failure. I do like that he's offensive minded/not conservative.. but what a cluster he would be inheriting.

 

[CienPorCientoCane]

The lunacy of denial.

Charlie gets no credit for his Louisville days because he had all those Florida kids and he played a weak conference.

Charlie gets no credit for a couple good seasons at Louisville for the same reason Al Folden no longer gets credit for his work at Temple. Both guys got their shot at the big time and both flopped badly.

What's so hard to understand about that? Why do you super smart guys always try to complicate simple stuff?

Why are you looking to go way back in time to a Group of 5 program to use as a model when you have a much better (Power 5 marquee program) and much more recent model to use? I'd rather use Texas, which is a P5 program like UM, and is happening RIGHT NOW than Louisville, which was a big fish in a tiny Big East pond, as my example of what Charlie Wrong would do at another marquee P5 program.

I can show you how Charlie's impact at Texas has killed recruiting, but that wont matter either. Its very clear to see what has happened to Texas when you look at their recruiting rankings over the last 5 years and you also compare how popular and successful neighboring programs have also become in that same time period. It takes a 100% biased mind to not see facts like that that 100% contribute to the success of the program. His Louisville teams would have killed that Texas team.

Comparing what Charlie did to Louisville to what Al did at Temple is proof that your in denial.

The bottom fell out of Louisville before Charlie got there and he took it to a BCS bowl and he won. Golden did nothing.

Show me another turnaround like that.

Also Charlie was part of 2 NC with Florida and there is no doubt when he is recruiting in Florida he can put one of the best defenses on the country on the field. One that's good enough to win championships with. That's already been proven.

Also ignoring what he has done to Florida recruiting and developing players for the NFL is proof that your in denial.

I get it you don't like Charlie but to be blind to all these facts just proves your biased. A biased mind sees what it wants, thats a fact of human nature and when you ignore everything good and look at a few bad things then your biased and no longer looking at things rationally.

I cant change irrational minds but I can point out the flaws.

Considering there's no buyout in Strong's contract I don't see how any of this means anything.

I think it's something to the fact that If strong takes another job then he would have to pay off his assistant salaries I believe.

Anybody else read the comments on that board? FSU scared af of Strong to Miami, I don't understand how so many canes fans don't see the upside of bringing strong to the U.

It's ridiculous, he had the closest thing I have seen to a traditional Miami defense in a long time and it was filled with Miami recruits. Think about what he would do with what we have and the upper echelon recruits who wouldn't go to Louisville for obvious reasons.

i think Strong would be a good fit too shocked we actually agree on something... Butch, Shiano, Strong is my three choices the reast are unrealistic .Cristobals would be closest thing to RS top notch talent who IS way over his head. People dont remember what he did at looserville how he destroyed teams to include us

I remember this line of thinking several years ago. If you cant beat them get them. Randy Shannon once said he hired Patrick Nix because his offenses always gave him a hard time....pffft gtfoh

 

[drifters1234]

Anyone lobbying for Strong at this point has other reasons or is in prison and lacks access to television or Internet.

He's at one of the best jobs in college football and he's being humiliated. He sucks on both sides of the ball. He's dropping games he shouldn't. He can't recruit.

Hes getting every single excuse Golden received despite overwhelming tangible evidence that he just flat out couldnt handle it when he got a shot at the big time.

- People claiming bad fit
- Blaming local recruits
- Blaming the emergence of other programs
- Saying the roster sucks (he inherited a roster with 3 top 5 classes on it)
- Saying the program was a mess ( won 9 and 8 games the two years before he arrived )


The bottom line is Strong got called up and failed. He's whiffing on curve balls. He can't handle any fastball with movement on it. He's overmatched up there. It's embarrassing. Put him up against teams that aren't trash cans in pads and he's struggling.

So no, I don't want a guy who looks awful when the talent gap closes. Hes mad himself unhirable at this point for any self respecting Power 5 program.

His performance at Texas is a better indicator of how he'd fare at Miami than the two years he knocked around soup cans at a mid-major.

Seems simple to understand.

It isn't for the heel diggers.

Every single person discrediting what Strong did at Louisville is using the same base (less proof actually) to advocate for Herman. If people are opposed to Strong then so be it.. but don't bring up Herman's name in the same breath.

You're confusing the whole point.

When you're hiring from the lower ranks; your hope is that the candidate can replicate that success at a higher level. It is about speculating since you don't have the results.

Here, Charlie Strong had success at the lower ranks. At the higher level TODAY, he is failing. There is no reason to speculate anymore because we have the actual results. Charlie Strong is 55 years old and is unable to have success at UT. He can't even replicate his fired predecessor.

Now with Herman, we have a guy who is having success at the lower ranks. The question is, whether he will replicate that success at a higher level. Judging from the evidence, you have a guy who instantly improved that program in year 1. You have a young guy (40), who has had a ton of success so far.

Considering coaches aren't born at P5 schools and can come up from the lower ranks, why can't you use it as a model?

Meyer, Harbaugh, Briles, Dantonio and Saban all were HC at sub p5 schools. All had success, all moved up. Why is this a bad thing? Why can't this be used?

If we're not going after an elite name, what else should we do? Hire a failure?

This. I'm just baffled that people can't see what is directly in front of them.

How on earth can anyone say that Strong and Herman are in the same position when Strong has been at UT for two years, and failed miserably. Are people really this devoid of rational thought?!

 

[AUcane]

The more Charlie loses and craters at UT, I think the better for us. His stock is taking a huge hit - huge enough that he should not be considered for a HC gig at a top tier P5 school like Miami. His flame out could possibly lead to his firing at the end of the year.

If I were Miami, hire the right HC that is not named Strong, and I would hope that the newly minted HC would go after Strong as a DC at UM. That would be the ideal situation to Strong's mess. He leaves a sinking ship and has an opportunity to be part of the resurgence at UM. Assuming he proves that he can be an effective DC, he'll get another shot at HC. And who knows, maybe he gets that shot at UM if this program gets turned around and our HC leaves in a few years.

 

[252cane]

Strong is only in his second season and has 1 recruiting class and people are already saying he failed. The best players on the team are frosh. Among draft eligible players, texas doesn't have one player projected to be drafted.

 

[drifters1234]

Strong is only in his second season and has 1 recruiting class and people are already saying he failed. The best players on the team are frosh. Among draft eligible players, texas doesn't have one player projected to be drafted.

By definition, a two-year losing record at University of Texas constitutes failure.

Look at the recruiting rankings for the last 5 years. There is absolutely no excuse for Strong to oversee two consecutive losing seasons with the talent on that team.

 

[CANEGANG954]

Seems simple to understand.

It isn't for the heel diggers.

Every single person discrediting what Strong did at Louisville is using the same base (less proof actually) to advocate for Herman. If people are opposed to Strong then so be it.. but don't bring up Herman's name in the same breath.

You're confusing the whole point.

When you're hiring from the lower ranks; your hope is that the candidate can replicate that success at a higher level. It is about speculating since you don't have the results.

Here, Charlie Strong had success at the lower ranks. At the higher level TODAY, he is failing. There is no reason to speculate anymore because we have the actual results. Charlie Strong is 55 years old and is unable to have success at UT. He can't even replicate his fired predecessor.

Now with Herman, we have a guy who is having success at the lower ranks. The question is, whether he will replicate that success at a higher level. Judging from the evidence, you have a guy who instantly improved that program in year 1. You have a young guy (40), who has had a ton of success so far.

Considering coaches aren't born at P5 schools and can come up from the lower ranks, why can't you use it as a model?

Meyer, Harbaugh, Briles, Dantonio and Saban all were HC at sub p5 schools. All had success, all moved up. Why is this a bad thing? Why can't this be used?

If we're not going after an elite name, what else should we do? Hire a failure?

This. I'm just baffled that people can't see what is directly in front of them.

How on earth can anyone say that Strong and Herman are in the same position when Strong has been at UT for two years, and failed miserably. Are people really this devoid of rational thought?!

Saban was horrible at his first power 5 job Michigan State. He was better at LSU and he's killing it at Bama!