Pete tweet: Butch X Dorsey

[bxcanesbomber]

I don't want them to get rid of coley he's done right by us he's willing to adapt and learn just look at the last game had rosier under center used the fb more I think losing coley will be big

No.

If it wasn't for coley we wouldn't have our qbs give the man a chance he isn't as bad as we think he's a **** of a recruiter and he's getting better at calling plays I think golden had a lot of influence on the whole team offensively and defensively

 

[MarcoD70]

Butch has spent the past 4 years preparing for this opportunity.

He is much wiser and probably a better coach than he was when he left after the 2000 season.

He knows Dorsey better than anyone and if he thinks Dorsey is ready for the OC role, then that's fine with me.

Dorsey is young, innovative but will keep us grounded in a pro style offense that prepares QB's for the NFL.

I'm as big of a Dorsey fan as there is, but what's the evidence for his innovative nature? Not being an *** - just would like to know. I'm not a Panthers fan and do not follow them closely. In my view, there is some risk with Dorsey. There's risk with any first time playcaller. Playcalling is as much timing and feel as it is preparation.

Instead of innovative i think the right word here should be cerebral. Dorsey had the poise and smarts to figure things out. If you can pair him with a decent QB (much less a very good QB like Jack Allison) I think great things can happen.

This offense doesn't need to be innovative in the sense of being some TCU-style quick strike offense. Dorsey is working in an offense featuring one of the more dynamic QB talents in the NFL and getting results to the tune of an undefeated record this year.

I agree and wasn't insinuating it needed to be innovative. I was asking about someone, who may know something I do not, making a statement.

What Dorsey would need to do with the offense is make it reliable, consistent and adaptable. He's seen different styles, so I like that. Listen, he's a QB coach on the rise. If he doesn't get his shot here, it'll be somewhere else.

Gotcha
and I agree 100%

 

[stormbrewing]

I don't want them to get rid of coley he's done right by us he's willing to adapt and learn just look at the last game had rosier under center used the fb more I think losing coley will be big

No.

If it wasn't for coley we wouldn't have our qbs give the man a chance he isn't as bad as we think he's a **** of a recruiter and he's getting better at calling plays I think golden had a lot of influence on the whole team offensively and defensively

I agree, would love to keep coley on in some capacity, but I don't know how that would work with Butch and Dorsey. It will have to be Butch's team
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Whatever Butch says will be the final word and us fans need to get behind it

 

[sebastian91]

I don't want them to get rid of coley he's done right by us he's willing to adapt and learn just look at the last game had rosier under center used the fb more I think losing coley will be big

No.

If it wasn't for coley we wouldn't have our qbs give the man a chance he isn't as bad as we think he's a **** of a recruiter and he's getting better at calling plays I think golden had a lot of influence on the whole team offensively and defensively

No.

 

[fincane]

1. So many different issues that this potential pairing could have. If Dorsey isn't ready for the job, could Butch fire a UM legend?
2. As a first time OC would Butch allow Dorsey to have full control?(as much as an OC actually does have full control).
3. Is Dorsey capable of designing game plans?
4. Is he capable of calling plays?
5. So many people want Butch because he's done it at Miami before but are ok with his biggest hire being a guy who has never done it because his name is Ken Dorsey. No learning on the job at that position. Not right now.

Answers:
1. It's a great question.

2. Why wouldn't he? If he thinks he's talented, and Dorsey shows he has a plan, what's the difference between Dorsey and Fisch?

3. Why wouldn't he be? Again, there are NFL QB coaches who often become NFL OCs. This is an NFL QB coach becoming a college OC. There is a difference.

4. Why wouldn't he be? This is for Butch to assess. Dorsey has been around good playcallers with similar, but diverse enough concepts. He's been around some spread elements. He's been around power running. The biggest variable is his timing and feel. The good news is that's what he lived off as a player. The bad news is we won't know how that translates to in-game coaching till we see it. That goes for any coach rising to coordinator level.

5. Your general statement isn't completely accurate. Some people want Dorsey because of his name. Other people, including myself, are intrigued by Dorsey because of his coaching resume.

They're all just questions that I hope are answered before this potential move is made.

His coaching resume consists of being a high school OC and QB coach for three seasons unless I'm missing something. He was a scout as well. If he had the same resume and the name George Godsey who was the former Georgia Tech QB I doubt people would be as intrigued. He's the current OC for the Texans, he's been terrible. That doesn't mean that Dorsey will be bad thats just another young coach from the same era for comparison.


It also stinks of Butch trying to gain favor anyway he can.

 

[oduke1]

KD's play calling could be really good, but don't sell short Dorsey's NFL executive experience with talent evaluation. One question... Would he do what Coley would do to sign a recruit?

 

[Cribby]

I don't want them to get rid of coley he's done right by us he's willing to adapt and learn just look at the last game had rosier under center used the fb more I think losing coley will be big

No.

If it wasn't for coley we wouldn't have our qbs give the man a chance he isn't as bad as we think he's a **** of a recruiter and he's getting better at calling plays I think golden had a lot of influence on the whole team offensively and defensively

No.

This. Only this

 

[stormbrewing]

KD's play calling could be really good, but don't sell short Dorsey's NFL executive experience with talent evaluation. One question... Would he do what Coley would do to sign a recruit?

I'm uncomfortable with this, not sure if I should ask for details or not..

 

[MIA42178]

Can we stop w the CRISTOBAL and Coley blather? They suck and can go off and suck together.

Butch HC
Dorsey OC
Shannon DC

 

[StPeteCane]

Make it happen

 

[stormbrewing]

Can we stop w the CRISTOBAL and Coley blather? They suck and can go off and suck together.

Butch HC
Dorsey OC
Shannon DC

That could explain the Shannon following all the players the other day

 

[section9]

Giving Dorsey the OC job with no experience calling plays is a bit scary.

Is that because Dorsey's heyday was so long ago, that he's out of touch with the modern game?

Whoa! Dorsey has basically made Cam Newton into a better QB than he was before. You can't say he doesn't get the modern game.

 

[section9]

It may be that Butch looks upon Dorsey as a potential successor in a way that he does not look upon Mario, and that he wants to groom Dorsey for that job by making him OC.

And let's face it, if Dorsey took over Butch's reins and won an NC in his own right, he could write his own meal ticket in the League.

 

[NVA CANE]

Posted it in another thread, but Butch is telling people he would bring Dorsey with him.

[MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION]

If Butch is the guy what's the timeline we are looking at in terms of a hire?

 

[HurricaneU]

Sore shaft

 

[OldhamA]

Butch has spent the past 4 years preparing for this opportunity.

He is much wiser and probably a better coach than he was when he left after the 2000 season.

He knows Dorsey better than anyone and if he thinks Dorsey is ready for the OC role, then that's fine with me.

Dorsey is young, innovative but will keep us grounded in a pro style offense that prepares QB's for the NFL.

I'm as big of a Dorsey fan as there is, but what's the evidence for his innovative nature? Not being an *** - just would like to know. I'm not a Panthers fan and do not follow them closely. In my view, there is some risk with Dorsey. There's risk with any first time playcaller. Playcalling is as much timing and feel as it is preparation.

There's no evidence to suggest this.

He's the QB Coach, not the OC. I am a Panthers fan - we run an odd offence. A complex hybrid of Air Coryell (a leftover from Chudzinksi) and the Spread Option that takes advantage of Newton's unique skillset. How much he's learned from Shula is difficult to say.

 

[canadianhurricane]

I have no issues with Dorseys inexperience calling plays considering the guy has been assisting with game planning, making adjustments, throwing in his two cents here and there since he was a junior here. He was kept on the many professional (NFL,CFL) staffs as a third QB just to be a glorified coach.

Think about this, Coley's only real experience calling plays came from FIU and HS. That's it! And if it wasn't for Coleys recruiting ability, he'd probably be back in HS. KD can't be worse. No way!

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

Serious question - Are we really (finally) coming out of the darkness?
I just don't think I can handle all this happiness if this duo ends up happening.
Will they really let the band get back together?!

 

[carolinacane]

Should I be happy at the thought of Dorsey coming back to the Canes or distraught at the thought of him leaving the Panthers? Serious question here.

 

[hurricane04]

Ken Dorsey will be calling plays for somebody next year and i hope its for us. You think the league isn't taking a good look at what is going on in Carolina? Getting butch and ken means getting ALL the 4 and 5* recruits we could ever need in coral gables.