PEDs

[GojiraCane]

Some coaches want to win, and some will do whatever it takes to win (Saban, Meyer, dabo). Lets hope Manny is the latter, time will tell.

At this point, I'd trade some playoff appearances for probation.

Next probation is a quasi death penalty. Like a four year bowl ban, a four year period where we can only sign 10 players per year, and no tv for two years.

We’re the perfect NCAA target - a nationally known school that is at the same time not a blue blood. The perfect school to make a public example of while ignoring activities in the traditional programs.

 

[Home Slice]

I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about. There are plenty of safe ways to “juice” (albeit still illegal per ncaa).

A few posters here have mentioned a couple.

And when I say a PED program I’m speaking specifically to having a group of professionals monitor and administer the schedule and dosing.

I know we have some individual players who take stuff on their own (which is more dangerous than a setup like at Clemson or Bama), but I have serious doubts that we have a sophisticated PED program.

Thanks for replying. So you are saying you believe a group of professionals are risking their careers by illegally prescribing drugs to teens and young men? Doctors prescribe drugs. Or do you believe this group of professionals act as the plug thereby dealing with even bigger time dope dealers at Bama and Clemson in order to illegally distribute drugs to teens and young men?

 

[LPK2006]

As fans we have to stop acting like Miami is the only program that does everything by the rules. its not at all true. We dont do it at an SEC level but we are no angels. No one is.

Agree, it's crazy to think that some of these guys are not already using PEDs - some of which may even be above board because the NCAA may not have jumped on some of the stuff these labs are creating yet. Which kinda makes sense to me, I could definitely see programs like Alabama and Clemson instituting programs with some of these newer drugs while the NCAA turns a blind eye and pretends it doesn't know anything about that.

 

[DTP]

Do you guys honestly think we don't have guys on PEDs right now? Like Clemson and Alabama are the only football teams in the country that have guys using them? Like every single program in the country doesn't have a "nutrition specialist" that makes sure their players don't **** dirty? 90% of the time when a player gets popped it's for a supposed "masking agent". High school kids are on PEDs. They're nowhere near as uncommon as a lot of people want to believe. There's a good chance a majority of the dudes at your local gym are using some form of performance enhancer and they're not even pro or college athletes.

 

[pacusmc]

Do you guys honestly think we don't have guys on PEDs right now? Like Clemson and Alabama are the only football teams in the country that have guys using them? Like every single program in the country doesn't have a "nutrition specialist" that makes sure their players don't **** dirty? 90% of the time when a player gets popped it's for a supposed "masking agent". High school kids are on PEDs. They're nowhere near as uncommon as a lot of people want to believe. There's a good chance a majority of the dudes at your local gym are using some form of performance enhancer and they're not even pro or college athletes.

They don’t have wanna hear it dude.
The hardest things for people to believe:
There are no bags just better recruiters.
There are no ped’s in cfb only freaks.
Miami doesn’t get punished and judged at the same level as everyone else.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Thanks for replying. So you are saying you believe a group of professionals are risking their careers by illegally prescribing drugs to teens and young men? Doctors prescribe drugs. Or do you believe this group of professionals act as the plug thereby dealing with even bigger time dope dealers at Bama and Clemson in order to illegally distribute drugs to teens and young men?

PEDs are not illegal. You can find practices specializing in PED all over the country. They have commercials on TV, radio, billboards and anyplace else eyeballs are found. The therapy is typically referred to as HRT, Hormone Replacement Therapy.

They legally prescribe old school steroids, lab made hormones, peptides..... as well as medications to eliminate side effects like acne or hair loss/growth that some of these drugs might come with. Large companies like Abbott Pharma manufacture these meds as do small mom and pop compounding pharmacies.

There’s a black market for these medications, but people with the means to pay for a doctors visit certainty don’t need to participate in it.

The world of PEDs is not some shady underground inhabited by criminals. But that’s the image that pops into many heads when they hear “PEDs” or “Steroids”

 

[1mg of Epi]

They don’t have wanna hear it dude.
The hardest things for people to believe:
There are no bags just better recruiters.
There are no ped’s in cfb only freaks.
Miami doesn’t get punished and judged at the same level as everyone else.

Maybe the disconnect here is one of definitions. Sounds like some definition of a PED is testosterone, trenbelone or other substances banned by athletic leagues and available legally by prescription.

In reality tho, today’s PEDs are neither controlled nor banned... substances like Semorelin which are easily purchased legally, and have been a part of compliant strength and conditioning programs.

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I haven’t stayed up to date on the status of this product in terms of the ncaa, so it may not be used today, but it was recently. Along with many others.

 

[duke4heisman]

PEDs are not illegal. You can find practices specializing in PED all over the country. They have commercials on TV, radio, billboards and anyplace else eyeballs are found. The therapy is typically referred to as HRT, Hormone Replacement Therapy.

They legally prescribe old school steroids, lab made hormones, peptides..... as well as medications to eliminate side effects like acne or hair loss/growth that some of these drugs might come with. Large companies like Abbott Pharma manufacture these meds as do small mom and pop compounding pharmacies.

There’s a black market for these medications, but people with the means to pay for a doctors visit certainty don’t need to participate in it.

The world of PEDs is not some shady underground inhabited by criminals. But that’s the image that pops into many heads when they hear “PEDs” or “Steroids”

Very easy to get testosterone from the Dr. I went 5 years ago and told him I was feeling very lethargic and had trouble sleeping, had no drive. Had a blood test done and he said your testosterone is to the floor, no wonder. Wrote 200mg/ml at 1cc per week and also got arimadex (estrogen blocker) and been on them since. Works wonders!

 

[1mg of Epi]

Very easy to get testosterone from the Dr. I went 5 years ago and told him I was feeling very lethargic and had trouble sleeping, had no drive. Had a blood test done and he said your testosterone is to the floor, no wonder. Wrote 200mg/ml at 1cc per week and also got arimadex (estrogen blocker) and been on them since. Works wonders!

100%
Any man (of a certain age) who hasn’t done the same just isn’t trying anymore.

 

[Home Slice]

PEDs are not illegal. You can find practices specializing in PED all over the country. They have commercials on TV, radio, billboards and anyplace else eyeballs are found. The therapy is typically referred to as HRT, Hormone Replacement Therapy.

They legally prescribe old school steroids, lab made hormones, peptides..... as well as medications to eliminate side effects like acne or hair loss/growth that some of these drugs might come with. Large companies like Abbott Pharma manufacture these meds as do small mom and pop compounding pharmacies.

There’s a black market for these medications, but people with the means to pay for a doctors visit certainty don’t need to participate in it.

The world of PEDs is not some shady underground inhabited by criminals. But that’s the image that pops into many heads when they hear “PEDs” or “Steroids”

So your contention is that no staff members at Bama or Clemson did anything wrong? These are the 2 schools that have been brought up in this thread.

 

[Home Slice]

Very easy to get testosterone from the Dr. I went 5 years ago and told him I was feeling very lethargic and had trouble sleeping, had no drive. Had a blood test done and he said your testosterone is to the floor, no wonder. Wrote 200mg/ml at 1cc per week and also got arimadex (estrogen blocker) and been on them since. Works wonders!

Agree with you. But, the alleged Bama/Clemson usage on this thread is regarding to 18-23 year olds for the most part. No way 99.9% of these young beasts are low in Test blood values.

 

[Home Slice]

100%
Any man (of a certain age) who hasn’t done the same just isn’t trying anymore.

Agree with your assessment of (of a certain age). This thread is about teens and young adults and fairly specifically about Bama and Clemson but not completely limited to them.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Agree with you. But, the alleged Bama/Clemson usage on this thread is regarding to 18-23 year olds for the most part. No way 99.9% of these young beasts are low in Test blood values.

First off, physicians are given the latitude to prescribe medications for off label uses. It’s common practice and happens everyday and everywhere. The FDA does not regulate the practice of medicine, state medical boards do. So while Pharma can only advertise testosterone for Low T and certain other conditions for which T is approved, generally speaking a physician can write test for what he deems appropriate. That being said, no team is handing out scripts for T.... unless they’ve compounded it in such a way as to fool a test.


The main point tho is that You don’t need prescriptions for many of the PEDs today. Or a doctor. Eventually they’ll be scheduled, and a script required, but there is no legal or regulatory reason that a strength, conditioning and nutrition program can’t include them. Kinda like HGH before a test was developed.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Agree with your assessment of (of a certain age). This thread is about teens and young adults and fairly specifically about Bama and Clemson but not completely limited to them.

I mentioned in a previous post that many PEDs that aren’t banned by the ncaa aren’t scheduled and need no script. Or even physician. All any program needs is a relationship with a good lab that can manufacture compounds that will not result in a failed urine test.

Why would Bama and Clemson NOT do this?

 

[1mg of Epi]

So your contention is that no staff members at Bama or Clemson did anything wrong? These are the 2 schools that have been brought up in this thread.

In 2019 I’m not so sure it’s necessary for a program to do anything wrong, even while PEDing their players up to their eyeballs. That being said, I’m sure if those teams thought they could game the system... they would.

I know Clemson had an issue w a couple players after the NC game, but I’m not familiar with what exactly happened.

 

[Home Slice]

First off, physicians are given the latitude to prescribe medications for off label uses. It’s common practice and happens everyday and everywhere. The FDA does not regulate the practice of medicine, state medical boards do. So while Pharma can only advertise testosterone for Low T and certain other conditions for which T is approved, generally speaking a physician can write test for what he deems appropriate. That being said, no team is handing out scripts for T.... unless they’ve compounded it in such a way as to fool a test.


The main point tho is that You don’t need prescriptions for many of the PEDs today. Or a doctor. Eventually they’ll be scheduled, and a script required, but there is no legal or regulatory reason that a strength, conditioning and nutrition program can’t include them. Kinda like HGH before a test was developed.

Thanks for replying. I cannot disagree with you. My point has nothing to do with this. I asked a poster who claimed professionals are monitoring these teens in some sort of PED program. I asked for specifics. There hasn't been any answer because I don't think there is one. Epi, you and I have talked off the books before and I considered that good convo. I can tell you that I don't believe there are set PED programs as some of the posters claim. I have seen some rogue stuff occur, but never a true PED program. If there were these high level programs run by professionals as poster mentioned, where are all the snitches? Believe me, it's easy to break disgruntled 19-20 year olds. And, you'd have the parents to worry about. Players absolute take sauce. No doubt. Not disputing that fact.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Thanks for replying. I cannot disagree with you. My point has nothing to do with this. I asked a poster who claimed professionals are monitoring these teens in some sort of PED program. I asked for specifics. There hasn't been any answer because I don't think there is one. Epi, you and I have talked off the books before and I considered that good convo. I can tell you that I don't believe there are set PED programs as some of the posters claim. I have seen some rogue stuff occur, but never a true PED program. If there were these high level programs run by professionals as poster mentioned, where are all the snitches? Believe me, it's easy to break disgruntled 19-20 year olds. And, you'd have the parents to worry about. Players absolute take sauce. No doubt. Not disputing that fact.

I think I’m just not making my point very well, And actually I’m pretty much agreeing with you but I’m kinda mixing 2 separate Conversations together, so it’s my bad. In regards to your points above...

A PED program today can be run by professionals, produce great results, and not run afoul of any NCAA regulations.

Tomorrow’s banned substances are today’s perfectly legal and compliant PEDs. There’s no snitches because there’s nothing to snitch on. There’s no need to worry about upset parents or scorned kids.

And so because of the above, I also doubt that Alabama is loading their players up w banned substances. Any kids injecting testosterone and HGh are prolly doing it on their own.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

The mere thought that there are widespread illegal PED programs at various universities is preposterous. Are some kids trying to beat the system? Of course, but each and every day the testing for PED's is becoming more rigorous, which means it is only a matter of time before users are caught. If such programs existed it would be known and the offending schools would be handed the death penalty faster than you can say...Shapiro!

~The NCAA drug-testing program, along with clear policies and effective education, protects student-athletes who play by the rules by playing clean. The purpose of the drug-testing program is to deter student-athletes from using performance-enhancing drugs, and it impacts the eligibility of student-athletes who try to cheat by using banned substances. The NCAA tests for steroids, peptide hormones and masking agents year-round and also tests for stimulants and recreational drugs during championships. Member schools also may test for these substances as part of their athletics department drug-deterrence programs.

To learn more about specific medications or supplements that may be banned substances, visit Drug Free Sport AXIS, (member login required) which provides up-to-date research on supplements and over-the-counter and prescription drugs.

 

[Home Slice]

I think I’m just not making my point very well, And actually I’m pretty much agreeing with you but I’m kinda mixing 2 separate Conversations together, so it’s my bad. In regards to your points above...

A PED program today can be run by professionals, produce great results, and not run afoul of any NCAA regulations.

Tomorrow’s banned substances are today’s perfectly legal and compliant PEDs. There’s no snitches because there’s nothing to snitch on. There’s no need to worry about upset parents or scorned kids.

And so because of the above, I also doubt that Alabama is loading their players up w banned substances. Any kids injecting testosterone and HGh are prolly doing it on their own.

Interesting thoughts. Respect to you brother.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Interesting thoughts. Respect to you brother.

Likewise!!!