OT: Mass Shooting at Douglas High School

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Yes, my point exactly. We have all that in place for cars and we still have alot of casualties. And not coincidentally, at a higher rate with younger men, same as these shootings. Im sure a good amount of people in the board lost friends to auto accidents during their teens years and NOT ONCE did anyone ever think the solution was to ban cars. We monitor these young men closer (they get pulled over more), we provide counseling (defensive driving course) we do what we can to save them and help them, we dont ban all cars. Are you able to follow the logic now? Theres something wrong with these kids, we ban guns , that something is still there.

unless your argument is you're fine with the casualty numbers as long as the tool is being monitored by the government?
Not sure what your argument is. The NRA is **** bent on there never being a database so that invalidates everything you have in bold...which is almost your entire answer. Even proposals to put tracers I. The gun powder that could effectively “track” has been a non-starter with the NRA.

You’re not making a single serious argument. It’s like you’re running the UNC 4-Corner’s offense but you’re down by 30 with 30mseconds to go. LOL.

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Ah, yes. The old make a silly statement and run when challenged on it.


Buzzfeed is your point of reference...lol, ok.
Nothing says “I lost that argument” more than attacking actual facts. BUZZFEED reported that a internet clowns, desperate to make this about “liberals” found a Democrat named Nicholas Cruz born in August; Nikolas Cruz (Gunman) was born in a different month in addition the similar but DIFFERENT spelling.

It’s sad when you’re THAT afraid of facts. But...there are other sources reporting the same thing CORRECTLY. LOL
 
Nothing says “I lost that argument” more than attacking actual facts. BUZZFEED reported that a internet clowns, desperate to make this about “liberals” found a Democrat named Nicholas Cruz born in August; Nikolas Cruz (Gunman) was born in a different month in addition the similar but DIFFERENT spelling.

It’s sad when you’re THAT afraid of facts. But...there are other sources reporting the same thing CORRECTLY. LOL

I didn't realize I was arguing, I was merely mocking you for using a joke liberal site as your source of news, but by all means carry on with your incessant ranting.
 
Today it is likely if you go to A movie gun violence is involved.
Watch at TV drama ..Gun Violence
Most popular video games...Gun Violence
It's permeates the music industry.
It's not the NRA, it's the Popular Culture.
When You glorify violence and pump this cultural sewage into impressionable young minds we shouldn't be shocked when tragedy is the end result.

The U.S. Army has had to change and toughen their training because of the problem and attitudes of today's youth entering the Army.

Teachers are quitting their jobs in record numbers because of the disrespect they receive in the classroom, that being exasperated because school districts tie their hands and look the other way.

Just keep on spreading the gospel of social tolerance for every weird *** behavior, and in a generation we won't have a country.

On the NRA point: it may not be just the NRA, but they are the ones buying the votes of our elected politicians to vote against any background checks, any limitations on who can buy guns, any attempts to ban certain weapons. They are the vehicle of the gun industry.

I am a gun owner, I read some of the gun publications, I see the NRA President constantly write articles against gun laws. I read articles by him haw Obama was plotting with George Soros to take our guns away.

Anyone who does not want to bring politics into the gun conversation, is in denial, burying your heads in the sand.
 
You would have had a good argument if you could only stay out of the political shallow end...

- It’s both, imo. Left and right, politically speaking.
- It’s unfettered access to guns AND video games/movies/music. Not either, or.
- It’s the left claiming stigmatism of mental health and the right not allowing the CDC to even STUDY the effects of gun violence.
- “liberals” taking power away from teachers/schools; “conservatives” advocating for guns IN schools.
- “left” preaching tolerance and being anything but; “right” yelling for freedom. Neither understanding the meaning of their own buzzwords.

And when Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Christopher Gadsden quotes are misused and muddied into a cultural ethos...it also glorifies violence.

Red lights don’t stop cars, but it doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be any red lights. Let’s stop using foolish arguments that if it doesn’t wipe out the problem completely that it’s a waste of time. Stringent background checks registration AND insurance should be required, imo.
I stayed out of the political end. I only mentioned the NRA because too many use quick political snippets as a distracton to divert us from addressing the true problem, and point us in a different direction
This problem is social, not political.
 
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Let's have a substantive debate.

What in your opinion needs to happen?

Our elected officials need to do our deeds, not the gun lobby’s, for one.

Two, reform gun regulations per my earlier posts - bad history mentally, socially, criminally? No gun for you.

LE needs to set up a special task force (Just like for terrorism) to monitor gun permit applicants’ social media accounts, criminal backgrounds and medical records.
 
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Our elected officials need to do our deeds, not the gun lobby’s, for one.

I want to take this step by step because I legitimately want to find common ground here but we first have to at least agree on what exactly we're talking about so that we're on the same playing feild. So first I have two questions.

#1. I'm assuming that when you say "our deeds" you mean what the American people want right? What is it that you believe the American people want?

#2. What is your definition of the gun lobby?

Two, reform gun regulations per my earlier posts - bad history mentally, socially, criminally? No gun for you.

That's already the case unless you're talking about legal face to face transfers, which we can certainly debate.

LE needs to set up a special task force (Just like for terrorism) to monitor gun permit applicants’ social media accounts, criminal backgrounds and medical records.

What kinds of social media behaviors, medical conditions, and/or criminal history in your opinion would be grounds to deny someone a firearm?
 
News like this hard to deal and should never happen.but to point fingers at our lawmakers or something else is not logical.weapons alone don't kill someone has to use them for them to kill.whether guns are legal or not .the bad guys while always have access to a gun.we should look at ourselves and how we raise our kids .need to teach our kids how show respect for each other and to respect members of our society.until we teach and show respect ourselves these type of problems will only increase.
 
I figured I’d use a Fox News affiliate to lessen the attacks on the source.

http://myfox8.com/2018/02/15/florid...kolas-cruz-linked-to-white-nationalist-group/

Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was allegedly a member of a white nationalist group and participated in paramilitary drills, according to ADL.

Jordan Jereb, the leader of white supremacist group Republic of Florida, said Cruz was associated with the organization and participated in one or more training exercises.

The group describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fight for white identitarian politics.”
 
Total BS. I lived in England for three years recently. We have more gun killings in a couple nights in this country than they have in a year. Can't speak to Germany.

Don't know about all these claims, but John Lott, an expert on gun control, and admittedly a favorite of those who argue against strict gun laws, is on the radio right now and asserts that Britain's murder rate was always low, and actually went up after strict gun laws were passed. He warns against cross-cultural comparisons because there could be a lot of factors in play.

Lott also notes that over half of America's gun murders are concentrated in just 2% of the counties. He mentioned some: L.A., Houston, D.C. In D.C. for example, most are in eastern part of city and tied to drug gangs.

The violence from guns,or at least the bulk of it, seems to have little to do with rural white people, "Rednecks", or NRA members.

Lott also points out that the AR-15 is not a military gun, is not an automatic weapon, but is simply the same as a semi-automatic hunting weapon made to look like a military weapon.

I'm not a gun person, am only passing on what one expert says, and if you have a counter-argument, please feel free to provide countervailing facts, name-calling and emotional arguments don't help.
 
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All countries have serious drug issues and this is not happening there. Check out the stats for Europe. Nobody gets shot in England.why? Because if they get caught with a gun your doing 10 to 20 years. Real gun laws. Sorry rednecks I know you love your guns.
go get the facts before talking smack...
 
I figured I’d use a Fox News affiliate to lessen the attacks on the source.

http://myfox8.com/2018/02/15/florid...kolas-cruz-linked-to-white-nationalist-group/

Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was allegedly a member of a white nationalist group and participated in paramilitary drills, according to ADL.

Jordan Jereb, the leader of white supremacist group Republic of Florida, said Cruz was associated with the organization and participated in one or more training exercises.

The group describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fight for white identitarian politics.”
So what? The group is probably a tiny group of misfits. I know such groups. I used to investigate them for the very organization whose information you cite: the ADL.

The fact is, more gun violence is probably occurring in urban centers and not by white nationalists who, by and large, are relatively small in number by comparison to the numbers in gangs doing the killing in the urban centers. See my reference to John Lott's assertions made today in his interview on Dennis Prager's radio show.

If you have facts contrary to Lott's, please cite them. I welcome any rational contrary argument.

Incidentally, it seems most of Cruz' victims were white. I doubt that his attack was driven by any well-formed ideology, the guy was mentally ill.

Of course some of the neo-***** I used to monitor had some similar traits, often poor social skills, but they were not out-and-out loners, or else they didn't join neo-**** groups.
 
Here we go again, same play book recycled disinformation.

People, it's a football board, not a place for saving humanity.

Yes, but it's very local for many of us. I haven't lived in South Florida for over half a century, Douglas HS didn't exist back then, but I still feel a connection to the South Florida community. I still have friends and relatives in South Florida. A football coach was killed; the AD was shot, not to mention the others, especially teenagers. I suspect some who participate here might have been involved in games against Douglas.We have at least one Broward coach on here, probably more. Heck, some people here might have played against the coach who was shot. He played center for Douglas in the late '90's.
 
1) I was working South Broward yesterday so I was nowhere near to responding unless the injured went up to FLL airport level.

2) You guys are hilarious. You guys have no idea that the FBI/CSPD were warned about this, you guys have no idea the kid was a **** ton of psych problems and was sent to a specific psychiatric school, you guys have no idea that this kid was a communist and a registered Democrat who hated America, you guys have no idea that he didn’t even live with a parent because his mom died in November(very common trigger point) and was living with “foster” parents(only in parenthesis because he’s 19). Stop blaming a inanimate object in a gun for negligence to deal with a problem because we refuse to treat it. How much do you guys wanna beat he was apart of Antifa? It’ll explain how a 19 y/o got an AR -15. Anti-gun nuts just a little FYI, an AR-15 has the same fire rate as your average pistol because it’s semi automatic and I believe it only has a 20 round magazine...he would’ve been able to do the same amount damage with a pistol that he did with an AR-15. Please don’t come at me with “it’s an assault rifle” because an assault rifle doesn’t exist. Assault is an action...a verb, not a type of rifle.

Essentially what John Lott said today about AR-15. Same as a semi-automatic hunting rifle. Just dressed up to look more military.
 
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