I’m sensitive to almost any criticism but this is all true. The show has been dramatically less brutal since The Red Wedding and maybe Ramsey Bolton/Snow. The writers were bombarded by soft fans and seem to have wilted a bit.
Really good post. I really had no problems with the battle scene at all other than they really needed you to suspend disbelief at a few points, i.e. Jaime, Brienne, Pod, and Sam surviving the sea of walkers.
The plan was to lure him in as you said and very successful but the group at the helm has been terrible at planning battles. That includes Jon, Daeny, and Tyrion.
For me, for the show to really be the show I love, there needs to be no plot armor. As they've strayed from the books, there seems to be less sense of real threat in fights like these. Jon surviving the BotB is another good example, but again, it's a show and it is supposed to be epic fanfare.
I just like pointing out that the show used to be so much more ruthless than it is now.
Battle of the ******** >
Don’t @ me.
Are the books worth reading? Trying to do more reading this summer and starting to look for what to read
Yes and no.The books are WAY better than the show.
You can't give them all a sweet goodbye scene the episode before, only to have them basically be the last guys standing - all having a couple of "oh ****, this is their death scene!" moments last night. There's just no consequences to their actions - far too many times they were in absurd situations and lived.I agree with this. Brienne, Pod, Jamie and Greyeorm all live, and 90% of the other major characters. That’s just not the thrones I know.
They are Really living large on the rep of a show know for dropping main characters and setup some nice scary moments but then nothing happens.
I’m starting to think Martin told them who wins in the end and said u guys can write whatever u want to get there.
I get what your saying about the ruthlessness, with that said little lady Mormont was squashed by a Giant.Really good post. I really had no problems with the battle scene at all other than they really needed you to suspend disbelief at a few points, i.e. Jaime, Brienne, Pod, and Sam surviving the sea of walkers.
The plan was to lure him in as you said and very successful but the group at the helm has been terrible at planning battles. That includes Jon, Daeny, and Tyrion.
For me, for the show to really be the show I love, there needs to be no plot armor. As they've strayed from the books, there seems to be less sense of real threat in fights like these. Jon surviving the BotB is another good example, but again, it's a show and it is supposed to be epic fanfare.
I just like pointing out that the show used to be so much more ruthless than it is now.
I get what your saying about the ruthlessness, with that said little lady Mormont was squashed by a Giant.
After last night’s episode, the debate that occurred earlier in the thread is over and Game of Thrones is the unquestioned best TV show ever. Pure masterpiece, bad battle plans aside.
Also after last night’s episode I’mi ready to state unapologetically that the show is better than the books. The 8 year long guilt and 1 upmanship (which I respected and yielded to) produced by the book readers is over. No more guilt as a GOT viewer only. The book readers know this show is the ish.
Absolutely, totally agree. That aspect doesn't bother me though. We are coming to the end. Valar Morghulis!I know, her getting killed in that way was gruesome no doubt but she's ancillary at best. In fact, in the "making of the episode" online, they said she was supposed to only be in that war room scene where she pledges her 55 men.
My overall point is that anyone with a claim to a throne or has a direct connection to those with a claim will not perish until at least the bitter end. It doesn't feel threatening enough. Think about the emotions of the mountain vs. Oberyn for Tyrion's life. That **** was giving me anxiety thinking there's a good chance Tyrion dies here.
What part was pure masterpiece? Funny you say battle plans aside when the whole episode was a battle.
Masterpiece but where did Arya come from, wtf was bran doing the whole time, how did not a major character get killed despite them having dozens of walkers around them at all times, how could arya barely escape walkers in the room but sneak up on the king, it was way too dark, and I can go on. And they stole the knife move from the last Jedi.
People who say it was a great episode can’t pinpoint what was great.
Just speaking for myself but I’m speaking from a TV accomplishment.
Same time I don’t necessarily think battle plans have to do with whether the episode was good. People are flawed. Fighting an enemy they barely understand. I don’t think having a “perfect plan” has anything to do with liking it for me.
I don’t disagree with you, I mean that’s your thoughts.
One part that annoyed me especially watching the 2nd time was Jon being beyond surrounded by wights. Yeah Dany shows up, but geez even for the dramatics of the show that was silly.
And Dany/Jorah as well.
But ****, that was an impressive night for TV. I tip my cap to those people that went balls out on that one.
I heard a part of goodbye blue sky in there. But it sounds a lot like some of the work he's done in Westworld.Just rewatched
Epic ****
The piano part where things are dire is just incredible the second time around.
Question: the piano is playing a popular song but I absolutely can’t figure it out.
Anyone know?