Miami has offered DT Edgar Cerenord

[bbcane]

Very few teams use purely one or two gap systems in today's NFL. However, the majority of teams, such as the Green Bay Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers primarily use the two-gap 3–4. The Houston Texans primarily use the one gap 3–4. The New York Jets use a versatile, hybrid defense combining one and two gap looks.[18]

 

[bbcane]

If he is going to make it to the league one day. He is a step ahead as far as 1 GAp-2 gap. It seems we are a hybrid.

 

[Coach Macho]

First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!

Congrats to yall.

I hear what you're saying but it's apples and oranges. He might've played some Nose at Heritage but he wasn't asked to do the same thing that he'll be doing at Miami. (2-gapping) Jernigan isn't 2-gapping at FSU.

I like Edgar's skill-set and I just hope we don't waste it.

Have the coaches told him what role he'll likely be used in?

Trust me, i would love to answer those questions but i have to respect his process and not release anything he is discussing. Some of the questions you guys are asking we would like to know as well but out of respect to the parties involved i wont discuss it on here.

Understandable.

 

[WestEndZone]

When will people realize that we're not a pure 34? Our defensive line flips based on the ball's placement on the field. We're somewhere between a 43 and a 34, while leaning more heavily towards a 43. The weak outside linebacker is really just a stand-up defensive end that lines up 100% of the time to the short side of the field and drops into coverage maybe 10% of the time. We are seldom lined up in a classic 50 "okie" front. We're almost always shaded. Very rarely do more than two defensive linemen 2-gap at a time. Sometimes it's just one.

People forget that Jimmy's 43 included, at times, an "okie" side to the defensive front. Based on where that "okie" side was in relation to the formation strength you would classify the front as over shifted or under shifted. What we're doing today is somewhat an adaptation of that style. This system allows us to over and under shift much easier than in a classic 43.

Obvi this is not the board to talk scheme, but at about page 8 of nonsense I got a little agitated. WE ARE NOT A PURE 34/52. In reality, we still use 43 personnel. We still have a nose, we still have a 3-tech. This dude can play both spots. If we have quick personnel in the game, I'm sure coach D will dial up some pirate stunts or something. Maybe he can be a pass rush specialist.

Sorry if I sound like a snob

 

[Gamineal]

We need a monster at this position who can walk in a dominate as a freshman...not another project, with our staff players are not getting that much better that come in 3 star guys, they are getting caught in the might play or might not play mode....

The guys looks like another huge slow first step guy with some potential we have 4 or 5 of those with EXP on our team now....

 

[bbcane]

I think if this guy went juco, we wonder in 2 yrs why we did not offer, when he is a 4-5 star

 

[bozcane]

When will people realize that we're not a pure 34? Our defensive line flips based on the ball's placement on the field. We're somewhere between a 43 and a 34, while leaning more heavily towards a 43. The weak outside linebacker is really just a stand-up defensive end that lines up 100% of the time to the short side of the field and drops into coverage maybe 10% of the time. We are seldom lined up in a classic 50 "okie" front. We're almost always shaded. Very rarely do more than two defensive linemen 2-gap at a time. Sometimes it's just one.

People forget that Jimmy's 43 included, at times, an "okie" side to the defensive front. Based on where that "okie" side was in relation to the formation strength you would classify the front as over shifted or under shifted. What we're doing today is somewhat an adaptation of that style. This system allows us to over and under shift much easier than in a classic 43.

Obvi this is not the board to talk scheme, but at about page 8 of nonsense I got a little agitated. WE ARE NOT A PURE 34/52. In reality, we still use 43 personnel. We still have a nose, we still have a 3-tech. This dude can play both spots. If we have quick personnel in the game, I'm sure coach D will dial up some pirate stunts or something. Maybe he can be a pass rush specialist.

Sorry if I sound like a snob

Keep it coming. I'm enjoying it!

 

[pbcup]

We need a monster at this position who can walk in a dominate as a freshman...not another project, with our staff players are not getting that much better that come in 3 star guys, they are getting caught in the might play or might not play mode....

The guys looks like another huge slow first step guy with some potential we have 4 or 5 of those with EXP on our team now....

Yeah, because those guys grow on trees! Don't forget we also have 1, possibly 2, JUCOs along with Valentine, Jenkins and Moten already committed. He should have a little time to develop. Kid looks like he has more potential than Moore or King.

 

[Oh Snap]

We need a monster at this position who can walk in a dominate as a freshman...not another project, with our staff players are not getting that much better that come in 3 star guys, they are getting caught in the might play or might not play mode....

The guys looks like another huge slow first step guy with some potential we have 4 or 5 of those with EXP on our team now....

lol good luck with that

 

[Coach Macho]

When will people realize that we're not a pure 34? Our defensive line flips based on the ball's placement on the field. We're somewhere between a 43 and a 34, while leaning more heavily towards a 43. The weak outside linebacker is really just a stand-up defensive end that lines up 100% of the time to the short side of the field and drops into coverage maybe 10% of the time. We are seldom lined up in a classic 50 "okie" front. We're almost always shaded. Very rarely do more than two defensive linemen 2-gap at a time. Sometimes it's just one.

People forget that Jimmy's 43 included, at times, an "okie" side to the defensive front. Based on where that "okie" side was in relation to the formation strength you would classify the front as over shifted or under shifted. What we're doing today is somewhat an adaptation of that style. This system allows us to over and under shift much easier than in a classic 43.

Obvi this is not the board to talk scheme, but at about page 8 of nonsense I got a little agitated. WE ARE NOT A PURE 34/52. In reality, we still use 43 personnel. We still have a nose, we still have a 3-tech. This dude can play both spots. If we have quick personnel in the game, I'm sure coach D will dial up some pirate stunts or something. Maybe he can be a pass rush specialist.

Sorry if I sound like a snob

You can get agitated all you want but on Saturday's we're 2-gapping along the D-line. I don't know how anybody can dispute that. It's clear as day.

Regardless...

Even if what you say is true about rarely having multiple D-linemen 2-gapping, the position that Edgar plays is the "just one" that you speak of who is almost always 2-gapping.

I'm obviously not seeing the same thing you are.

Matter of fact, you can look at our stances along the D-line and tell that we're primarily 2-gapping.

Maybe you can show us on film or highlights cause I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees a base 3-4. (NT and two 4-techs)

 

[Pentagon Cane]

First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!

Good lord, that's a long windspan for 6'1' kid. What are his shuttle times?

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Regardless of your thoughts on this DT, you don't replace a JUCO DT with a HS Senior DT. It doesn't make sense. You SHOULDN'T replace a HS Senior with a JUCO DT and expect the same thing right away.

As AU already said, its not like we have a choice. If there were other JUCO options out there, Im sure they would have explored them. If this kid got the last DT ship, its because the JUCO options are zero, and they still want at least one more DT in this class for depth. IMO Valentine is going to see the field next year. Jenkins may also be thrown into the fire with his size. But you also have to build for the future. So a kid like this who you can redshirt, is not a bad take. He has some skill and size. Two years of UTough and he could be ready to be a solid contributor.

Yeah, right. No more Jucos available. Hourtelou's a Martian.

My post was made long before the Heurtelou's news broke. I, as everyone else, had assumed that we were out of it for Heurtelou as the last news we had on the kid a few months back, was that we were not seriously being considered anymore.

 

[Hurrickaneof83]

First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!

Good lord, that's a long windspan for 6'1' kid. What are his shuttle times?

4.4 short shuttle.

 

[JHallCanes]

Wingspan is such a ******* underrated characteristic in a DLinemen.

 

[WestEndZone]

I'm not saying that we don't 2-gap. We do lineup with a 0 and two 4's at times. We do all of those classic 50 front things at times. We use it mostly against two back sets (21, 22, 20 personnel), depending on the team. We did it a lot against Florida because they're primarily a classic man blocking offense. They like to double-down, kick, and lead through -- whatever you want to call that type play, (power-o, power-g, lead trap, etc.), they run it a million ways. 2-gapping schemes very well against that philosophy, not so much against zone blocking, which is why we don't only 2-gap.

We also shade a lot, while maintaining that 50 look. A lot of times they just bump the front down half a technique towards the boundary and it ends up looking like a 43 under. Shayon ends up being the 5. What we ended up doing a lot towards the end was only two gapping the N and T (using varied techniques), along with the two inside backers.

In regards to their stances, I just think that's irrelevant. Have you ever seen the way Gary Patterson has his defensive ends play (they're in a frog stance) and they run a 425 -- strictly. People get a hard-on for firing gaps like it's the right thing to do. It's not the right way to play football these days. That's how you get reached and trapped.

The scheme is not the issue. The scheme is great, imo. It might be too complicated right now, but that will pay off. A lot of being successful on defense is being able to have answers. We need to be multiple to have answers. Offenses these days do it all. We need to be able to do it all too.

We SUCK on defense because our players suck. When Shayon Green, Tyrone Cornelius, Curtis Porter, Kacy Rogers, and AJ Highsmith are your starting seniors, you're going to suck regardless of scheme or coach. Did we lose any key seniors last year? NO. Did we lose any key seniors this year? NO. Are we going to lose any key seniors next year? Only for sure one, Perryman. All our best players are young kids. We need to be patient. We are only going to get better with recruiting.

Turn on a tape from 1998 and watch Ed Reed blowing coverages and missing tackles against UCLA (although he did make some good looking plays). It's going to take time. We're about to turn the corner.

 

[Coach Macho]

Wingspan is such a ******* underrated characteristic in a DLinemen.

I had a 6'1" Defensive Tackle a couple years ago and a scout told me...

"I don't care how tall he is. He ain't engaging Offensive Linemen with the top of his head. Let me see his wingspan."

Then he proceeded to take a photo of my kid with his arms stretched out.

Dude made a great point.

 

[Coach Macho]

I'm not saying that we don't 2-gap. We do lineup with a 0 and two 4's at times. We do all of those classic 50 front things at times. We use it mostly against two back sets (21, 22, 20 personnel), depending on the team. We did it a lot against Florida because they're primarily a classic man blocking offense. They like to double-down, kick, and lead through -- whatever you want to call that type play, (power-o, power-g, lead trap, etc.), they run it a million ways. 2-gapping schemes very well against that philosophy, not so much against zone blocking, which is why we don't only 2-gap.

We also shade a lot, while maintaining that 50 look. A lot of times they just bump the front down half a technique towards the boundary and it ends up looking like a 43 under. Shayon ends up being the 5. What we ended up doing a lot towards the end was only two gapping the N and T (using varied techniques), along with the two inside backers.

In regards to their stances, I just think that's irrelevant. Have you ever seen the way Gary Patterson has his defensive ends play (they're in a frog stance) and they run a 425 -- strictly. People get a hard-on for firing gaps like it's the right thing to do. It's not the right way to play football these days. That's how you get reached and trapped.

The scheme is not the issue. The scheme is great, imo. It might be too complicated right now, but that will pay off. A lot of being successful on defense is being able to have answers. We need to be multiple to have answers. Offenses these days do it all. We need to be able to do it all too.

We SUCK on defense because our players suck. When Shayon Green, Tyrone Cornelius, Curtis Porter, Kacy Rogers, and AJ Highsmith are your starting seniors, you're going to suck regardless of scheme or coach. Did we lose any key seniors last year? NO. Did we lose any key seniors this year? NO. Are we going to lose any key seniors next year? Only for sure one, Perryman. All our best players are young kids. We need to be patient. We are only going to get better with recruiting.

Turn on a tape from 1998 and watch Ed Reed blowing coverages and missing tackles against UCLA (although he did make some good looking plays). It's going to take time. We're about to turn the corner.

Whatever you say, Mark.


















































LOL. I'm just kidding.

 

[JHallCanes]

Wingspan is such a ******* underrated characteristic in a DLinemen.

I had a 6'1" Defensive Tackle a couple years ago and a scout told me...

"I don't care how tall he is. He ain't engaging Offensive Linemen with the top of his head. Let me see his wingspan."

Then he proceeded to take a photo of my kid with his arms stretched out.

Dude made a great point.

Yeah man it makes sense. When you're in close quarters like that, hands and arms can make all the difference. If you have to get too close to an OL before you can get leverage, he probably already has you locked up and you are on the defensive.

 

[BigCaneAl]

First i wanted to say we are thankful for the offer and we appreciate all the positive support and constructive criticism. I know some people had questions about his size. He is a legit 6'1" 292lbs running a 5.0 40 with an 82" wingspan and 12" hands. Last february when he went to UM junior day he was 299lbs. He had 28% body fat so we wanted to see him get leaner. He lost 14 lbs and then put on 7 lbs of muscle. He is around 21% fat. We didnt want him to get bigger and lose speed. UM has measured him at two camps and a junior day. If the height and weight was off, they would know.
As far as fitting in the scheme, before this season i would have questioned him as a ng as well but heritage ran multiple sets where he played the 3 technique, ng and 5 technique. His highlights show him making plays from each of those positions. I could be wrong but from my observations we run a 1 gap scheme. The lb have gap assignments as well. The problem we have is that they get turned out of their gaps or lbs dont fill the gaps. A few of you even mentioned a comparison to Timmy Jernigan. He is actually playing ng at fsu in Jeremy Pruitt defense and his speed and aggressiveness allows them to get more pressure up the middle than using a plug. The kid works hard. He has a 3.7 gpa, benches 380 and squats 500lbs. He is a student of the game and watches a ton of film. He actually makes the on field adjustments for the defense on his team.
As far as the ppl calling him a jag, keep talking, i just dont want to see any of you soft shouldered asses on his bandwagon when he balls!

Congrats to Edgar. I remember watching an interview of his over the summer and came away very impressed. Good kid.

 

[L A M P]

I'm just baffled the kid can bench 380 lbs with that long of arms.. He must kill himself in the weight room.